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In my first comment, I spoke out against all rebellious groups. They all should have thought long-term, made agreements\negotiated,and ruled the country togheter. They should have been smarter, effective and taken wiser decisions. Darood is one of the largest, if not the largest clan in Somalia. I can only speak for my sub-sub clan.
If I'm not mistaken, I don't think we ever made a rebellious group against him.
We were loyal and stood by Aabe Siad Barre(AUN) side till the end

Sowda12 wrote:In my first comment, I spoke out against all rebellious groups. They all should have thought long-term, made agreements\negotiated,and ruled the country togheter. They should have been smarter, effective and taken wiser decisions. Darood is one of the largest, if not the largest clan in Somalia. I can only speak for my sub-sub clan.
If I'm not mistaken, I don't think we ever made a rebellious group against him.
We were loyal and supported Aabe Siad Barre till the end

SSDF & SPM were Darood rebellion movements against the gov as well.
Why didn't they look for a solution for Somalia too? Or Siad Barre himself
who refused to step down and only when USC were couple miles away he begged
an Isaaq to save his fragile government himself running away with the gold. They should all worked
for Somalia's well being so I don't get you idea of blaming SNM on your shortcomings. If anything Siad Barre wasn't
a legitimate leader and he should have stepped down long time ago for the greater good of the country since he failed as a president.

Rambie wrote:

Sowda12 wrote:In my first comment, I spoke out against all rebellious groups. They all should have thought long-term, made agreements\negotiated,and ruled the country togheter. They should have been smarter, effective and taken wiser decisions. Darood is one of the largest, if not the largest clan in Somalia. I can only speak for my sub-sub clan.
If I'm not mistaken, I don't think we ever made a rebellious group against him.
We were loyal and supported Aabe Siad Barre till the end

SSDF & SPM were Darood rebellion movements against the gov as well.
Why didn't they look for a solution for Somalia too? Or Siad Barre himself
who refused to step down and only when USC were couple miles away he begged
an Isaaq to save his fragile government himself running away with the gold. They should all worked
for Somalia's well being so I don't get you idea of blaming SNM on your shortcomings. If anything Siad Barre wasn't
a legitimate leader and he should have stepped down long time ago for the greater good of the country since he failed as a president.

I'm not going to put the whole blame on Barre for the simple fact that he in the early 1990s left the country. The coalition of armed rebel groups backed by Ethiopia (from USC,SNM, SSDF etc) had the opportunity to lead the country, but we realised that their intention never was about Somalia's well being, but about their own clan interest or retaliation against us. MSB gave the Somalis a standard national writing system, rebuild the country, tried to eradicate the importance of clan and he made Somalia into a regional power during the height of his rule.

Because of that, I am impressed with him.

- Decades later after he left, the civil war is still ongoing
- Decades later after he left, Al-Shabab started to rise, and Amisom in our soil
- Decades later, and there is not a single being capable of leading Somalia like Barre did


Under his rule, Somalia was a powerful progressive nation. Now, simply a failed, corrupt state in the Dark continent.
Let's face it, Siyad Barre didn't ruin Somalia, in fact he had Greater vision for Somalia and he wanted to unify Somalis.
"I did not come to power to divide Somali but to unite them, and I will never deviate from this path"- Siad Barre

Sure, he should have stepped away, fair enough, but the question I'm asking you is, did he have an replacement?

I don't see why the President should give their power away to rebellious groups who seemed to have no common interest, had no capacity to rule a whole nation on their own, and backed by Ethiopia. To prove my point, he left the country, the groups had the opportunity to come to agreements, but they did not. No elections held in the 90s, they went apeshit on each other, and eventually went seperate ways.
So, yes, ALL of the rebellious groups are to be blamed on Somalia's shortcoming.

"Kaligiis taliyaad iigu yeerteene wadataliya soomaaliyey"- Jaalle Siyaad Barre.
Allah ha u naxaristo the father, hero of Somalia. I salute you SIR

Tanker aka sowda I don't mind a ruined somalia

Sowda12 wrote:---

Decades later or not, he should have stepped down and allow
democracy to be revived again. Instead he played clans against eachother
wich indirectly lead to the current sitiuation. You did know he was still fighting
with SNF in Gedo even after his overthrow, which does not make him any different
from other any tribal leader.


I guess you're a kacaan orphan who was feed
all this shit about Somalia being a great country, well it wasn't.
If Somalia under his rule wassuch a great country, why SSDF, SNM, USC and half dozen other rebellion movements emerged?

That's the real question you're trying to hide by counting his few mediocre achievements.

Rambie wrote:

Sowda12 wrote:---

Decades later or not, he should have stepped down and allow
democracy to be revived again. Instead he played clans against eachother
wich indirectly lead to the current sitiuation. You did know he was still fighting
with SNF in Gedo even after his overthrow, which does not make him any different
from other any tribal leader.


I guess you're a kacaan orphan who was feed
all this shit about Somalia being a great country, well it wasn't.
If Somalia under his rule wassuch a great country, why SSDF, SNM, USC and half dozen other rebellion movements emerged?

That's the real question you're trying to hide by counting his few mediocre achievements.

My theory is that these rebellious groups were tribalist and only looking out for their own clan interest. Barre left in January 1991.
SNM declared independence from Somalia already in May 91. Puntland a bit later, declared that they are an autonomous region in 1998(?).
Don't you see the pattern
If all of these rebellious groups did love democracy so much, don't you think they would have been able to form one on their own after Barre left. If they cared about Somalia's well being, why did they not find a common ground. Why did they focus on dividing Somalia?
Why couldn't they take the lead?

Surely, one man(AUN) who died a long time ago, cannot be blamed for the failures of an entire nation

If you did read, you will see that I agree with the fact that he should have stepped down. Fair enough.
But, the million dollar question is, do you honestly believe that the various rebellious groups had the capacity to lead a whole nation on their own?
If yes, why is Somalia such a failed state now? If no, then it goes without saying that Somalia obviously as a nation, was better off under Barre.

Sowda12 wrote:

Rambie wrote:

Sowda12 wrote:---

Decades later or not, he should have stepped down and allow
democracy to be revived again. Instead he played clans against eachother
wich indirectly lead to the current sitiuation. You did know he was still fighting
with SNF in Gedo even after his overthrow, which does not make him any different
from other any tribal leader.


I guess you're a kacaan orphan who was feed
all this shit about Somalia being a great country, well it wasn't.
If Somalia under his rule wassuch a great country, why SSDF, SNM, USC and half dozen other rebellion movements emerged?

That's the real question you're trying to hide by counting his few mediocre achievements.

My theory is that these rebellious groups were tribalist and only looking out for their own clan interest. Barre left in January 1991.
SNM declared independence from Somalia in May 91(?). Don't you see the pattern
If all of these rebellious groups did love democracy so much, don't you think they would have been able to form one on their own after Barre left. If they cared about Somalia's well being, why did they not find a common ground, and make sure they formed a democracy.

Surely, one man(AUN) who died a long time ago, cannot be blamed for the failures of an entire nation

If you did read, you will see that I agree with the fact that he should have stepped down. Fair enough.
But, the million dollar question is, did the various rebellious groups had the capacity to lead a whole nation on their own?
If yes, why is Somalia such a failed state now? If no, then it goes without saying that Somalia obviously as a nation, was better off under Barre.

And what was Barre doing with his MOD regime?
Barre was also a triblist leader. I find it convenient how you're so
quick to point fingers on the apposition movements for being clan based
but not to your dear aboow Siad Barre and his ironic gov that was named after 3 clans.

I don't care what your theory is, we're dealing with facts not with if's, we will never find out since your aboow
didn't step down. If he did so and everything went down that you might have point, but he didn't not an rathered to
be chased into Nigeria instead.

Well, okay, it's a fact that all of the rebellious groups only cared about their own clan interest. It's obvious to anyone. Siad cared about the nation as a whole, hence why he invested more in other Somali cities and not his own.

Also, the MOD regime consisted of many people from different clans (Did you forget that many of the Isaaq leaders and elites of Somaliland used to work for Barre). Many men from minority clans also worked in the Barre government.One of the reasons why minorities support Siyad is because he treated them well and brought justice and equality to the Somali minorities that were previously marginalised.



1. Thus, Siyaad Barre was a visionary and fought for equality both for women and minorities

2. He made the standard national writing system and introduced the Somali language (Af Soomaali) as the official language of education.

3. Barre advocated the concept of a Greater Somalia (Hence, the Somalia-Ethiopia war in 77). He wanted to unite Somalia.

4. He created several farms and factories. Many of the ports in Somalia was built by him.

5. A strong, central government.

I can go on for days.

Barre led the nation for decades and under his rule we were known as "the white pearl of the indian ocean".
While the south is now a failed state, and the northernes are busy fleeing to the West despite having some peace, and looking to get internationally recognized for 25 years, and on top of that foreign countries are dictating over all of the Somali politicians and leaders.

He left in 91, so tell me, what have you guys achieved after he left?

Aabe Siad Barre was a visionary and he had love for our nation Somalia.
Siad left with respect, honour and dignity. We appreciate and love him.
Allah ha u naxaristo Aabe

The past is the past. Time to move on.
Somalia needs to unite and see the bigger picture before it's too late.

Peace, love, and forgiveness to all my somalis

Sowda12 wrote:Well, okay, it's a fact that all of the rebellious groups only cared about their own clan interest. It's obvious to anyone. Siad cared about the nation as a whole, hence why he invested more in other Somali cities and not his own.

Also, the MOD regime consisted of many people from different clans (Did you forget that many of the Isaaq leaders and elites of Somaliland used to work for Barre). Many men from minority clans also worked in the Barre government.One of the reasons why minorities support Siyad is because he treated them well and brought justice and equality to the Somali minorities that were previously marginalised.



1. Thus, Siyaad Barre was a visionary and fought for equality both for women and minorities

2. He made the standard national writing system and introduced the Somali language (Af Soomaali) as the official language of education.

3. Barre advocated the concept of a Greater Somalia (Hence, the Somalia-Ethiopia war in 77). He wanted to unite Somalia.

4. He created several farms and factories. Many of the ports in Somalia was built by him.

5. A strong, central government.

I can go on for days.

Barre led the nation for decades and under his rule we were known as "the white pearl of the indian ocean".
While the south is now a failed state, and the northernes are busy fleeing to the West despite having some peace, and looking to get internationally recognized for 25 years, and on top of that foreign countries are dictating over all of the Somali politicians and leaders.

He left in 91, so tell me, what have you guys achieved after he left?

Aabe Siad Barre was a visionary and he had love for our nation Somalia.
Siad left with respect, honour and dignity. We appreciate and love him.
Allah ha u naxaristo Aabe

If he was so visionary & loved his country
why did he didn't anticipated the rebellion movements
or step down for Somalia's sake? You just keep shooting yourself in the foot.


Just because he added few buildings to Xamar or got few puppet from other clans
in his gov doesn't mean he wasn't tribliest. Or else why would his gov be known by MOD? Yourself
ripping MOD more than Somalia lately. SL has almost all clans working 4 gov, does it mean Landers
are not tribliest? No it doesn't.

All the other stuff you you listed are
irrelevant aside from the Somali script. Somaliwayn? Really? ..... Do people still believe in this.

Bottom line is,
Siad Barre was a triblest leader and had a big rule in the current division & hostility
among Somalis. It's up to you if you wanna play dumb & believe you glorified delusions regarding Barre the savior.

Rambie wrote:

Sowda12 wrote:Well, okay, it's a fact that all of the rebellious groups only cared about their own clan interest. It's obvious to anyone. Siad cared about the nation as a whole, hence why he invested more in other Somali cities and not his own.

Also, the MOD regime consisted of many people from different clans (Did you forget that many of the Isaaq leaders and elites of Somaliland used to work for Barre). Many men from minority clans also worked in the Barre government.One of the reasons why minorities support Siyad is because he treated them well and brought justice and equality to the Somali minorities that were previously marginalised.



1. Thus, Siyaad Barre was a visionary and fought for equality both for women and minorities

2. He made the standard national writing system and introduced the Somali language (Af Soomaali) as the official language of education.

3. Barre advocated the concept of a Greater Somalia (Hence, the Somalia-Ethiopia war in 77). He wanted to unite Somalia.

4. He created several farms and factories. Many of the ports in Somalia was built by him.

5. A strong, central government.

I can go on for days.

Barre led the nation for decades and under his rule we were known as "the white pearl of the indian ocean".
While the south is now a failed state, and the northernes are busy fleeing to the West despite having some peace, and looking to get internationally recognized for 25 years, and on top of that foreign countries are dictating over all of the Somali politicians and leaders.

He left in 91, so tell me, what have you guys achieved after he left?

Aabe Siad Barre was a visionary and he had love for our nation Somalia.
Siad left with respect, honour and dignity. We appreciate and love him.
Allah ha u naxaristo Aabe

If he was so visionary & loved his country
why did he didn't anticipated the rebellion movements
or step down for Somalia's sake? You just keep shooting yourself in the foot.


Just because he added few buildings to Xamar or got few puppet from other clans
in his gov doesn't mean he wasn't tribliest. Or else why would his gov be known by MOD? Yourself
ripping MOD more than Somalia lately. SL has almost all clans working 4 gov, does it mean Landers
are not tribliest? No it doesn't.

All the other stuff you you listed are
irrelevant aside from the Somali script. Somaliwayn? Really? ..... Do people still believe in this.

Bottom line is,
Siad Barre was a triblest leader and had a big rule in the current division & hostility
among Somalis. It's up to you if you wanna play dumb & believe you glorified delusions regarding Barre the savior.

If I'm not mistaken, Siilanyo was a commerce minister. Riiyale, although he wasn't SNM, worked for Barre too, and they became somaliland president.

Secondly, Barre did leave Somalia, didn't he in 91? So, how come any of the rebellious groups could not "set a better example"?

Also, to be honest, what makes you think anyone will back down from rebel groups funded, trained and backed by Ehiopia? What makes you think he would leave the nation in the hands of SNM who hid in civilian areas and launched attacks against the government from there.
SNM was formed in the early 1980s, there was no existential threat to the Issaqs.. SNM were only about their clan interest, hence why they declared their independendence shortly after Barre left.

Why would Barre give his seat to Aided (remember what the USC did), or Abdullahi Yusuf\SSDF (remember what they did). AUN to both.
You may see Siad Barre as a tribalist, but the rebel groups for sure was no better. They could not even come to an agreement.
History has proven that. Don't forget that he knew most of them personally, so maybe he could foresee what these rebellious groups where about to do, and thus could not leave the nation in their hands. He had no other option but to protect the national security.

Forget MSB, any sane person who wanted to see Somalia prosper would not have given power to any of them

mahoka wrote:Tanker aka sowda I don't mind a ruined somalia

Sowda12 wrote:---

So? You aboow used to work for Abdi Rashid
but that didn't stop him from overthrowing his democratic gov
or abusing his people in Mudug later after his death.




Siad Barre didn't "leave" Somalia, he was forced from there
when he failed to retake Xamar twice with his militia. Just because
USC turned out to be useless shortsighted movement doesn't mean the rest of
apposition are alike (prime example SLAND) but it happened the capital was located
in their areas and hence the perpetual anarchy.


You would know about that, since Barre's policies of targeting and abusing Isaaq
is the reason why they took arms against him. Do you think we woke up some day and
decided to take down the gov for no reason?




Your argument does not make sense. Most of SNM funds did not come
from Ethiopia but rather diaspora. And what if rebel groups were funded from Ethiopia?
Siad Barre was getting free high end weapons on the name of whole Somalia from Soviets and later Americans.

Why targeting apposition for the external funding since aboow Siad is doing the same thing. Oh am sorry,
because being dictator makes it alright to get arms from all over the world to use on our people? How did he
protect the national security, by starting tribal vendetta and running off to Nigerian? The man you're worshiping
played every divide and conquer tactic in the book and used it against Somali clans only to flee when shit hits the fan.


But hey ........

Rambie wrote:

Sowda12 wrote:---

So? You aboow used to work for Abdi Rashid
but that didn't stop him from overthrowing his democratic gov
or abusing his people in Mudug later after his death.




Siad Barre didn't "leave" Somalia, he was forced from there
when he failed to retake Xamar twice with his militia. Just because
USC turned out to be useless shortsighted movement doesn't mean the rest of
apposition are alike (prime example SLAND) but it happened the capital was located
in their areas and hence the perpetual anarchy.


You would know about that, since Barre's policies of targeting and abusing Isaaq
is the reason why they took arms against him. Do you think we woke up some day and
decided to take down the gov for no reason?




Your argument does not make sense. Most of SNM funds did not come
from Ethiopia but rather diaspora. And what if rebel groups were funded from Ethiopia?
Siad Barre was getting free high end weapons on the name of whole Somalia from Soviets and later Americans.

Why targeting apposition for the external funding since aboow Siad is doing the same thing. Oh am sorry,
because being dictator makes it alright to get arms from all over the world to use on our people? How did he
protect the national security, by starting tribal vendetta and running off to Nigerian? The man you're worshiping
played every divide and conquer tactic in the book and used it against Somali clans only to flee when shit hits the fan.


But hey ........

This whole thing is absurd and could have easily been prevented.. According to your link, it was the WSLF who did the crimes not Barre per se, they were a separatist rebel group fighting in eastern Ethiopia and they wanted to create an independent state(?).
Isaaqs talked to Barre in 78, he let them create their own WSLF group to protect themselves in 79. Their group came into conflict with the Ogaden forces. An isaaq army arrested , and executed WSLF criminal fighters. The army command was then given to a Marehan. Isaaq felt left out as a clan in general because they were not being favored. Am I right so far? That's unfair, but not really the end of the world.


Then, SNM was formed in the early 80s in London, an Isaaq clan-family organization dedicated to ridding the country of Siad Barre, The SNM launched a military campaign in 1988, with help from Ethiopia.
They were threathing the national security, so the government forces responded back by bombing them.

You answered my questions. The reason why no one could replace him, especially the ones who overthrow him was because jealousy and hurtness clouded their judgement, instead of being strong, and leading the country and continue where the former President left off, some answered by retaliation and make the South a disaster, others decided to seperate themselves up north waiting for recognition that will never come.

Sowda12 wrote:----

And who funded & blindly supported WSLF?








Again, the fail of USC to fulfill their duty and mission in southern Somalia does not concern us.
Nor it appeal for Siad Barre from his wrong doing and abuse of power. SNM was not a threat on the country,their peace
making initiatives has showed their real intentions. Unlike your gold bandit aboow who run to Nigeria when instigating the conflict.

SNM was threat to the MOD regime AKA the qabil government of Siad Barre. Am glad you finally opened your eyes and do not dispute this anymore.

Good girl.