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Somalis are the same. Atleast they're similar compared to say Oromos and Arabs.

The Little differences aren't enough to separate into a different race

theyuusuf143 wrote: It's a big big myth that we isaaqs are the offspring of one elderly single Arab man crossed the golf of aden without any other arab community with him. Let's be realistic bro. Imagine if you move to the masaa, i land in kenya today and you marry 3 masaa, i women do you think your offspring can be majority of the masaa, i nation in few hundred years time? I take the masaa, i as an example because they are small community comparable to the number of Somalis existed at the time we believe Sheik isaaq and darod came to our nothern shores. How can you believe two single men (isaaq and darod) came to our land separately and produced fast majority of the Somali race? Are you suggesting that the existed large Somali community before these arab men who welcomed them were not sexsually active to breed. Kkkk

Is our population bigger now when compared to other nations of people? We are actually a very small nation when you compare our numbers to the amxara and others like the Chinese. Yes our population is much bigger now thanks to advances in medicine and health care but I still believe if you were to do a percentage comparison to other nations that we are still as small now as we were back then. We grew our population proportionally.

Also look at Genghis khan. He has more descendants than exist all of Somalis! So why is it not possible for Sheikh Isxaaq to be our rightful ancestor?

mahoka wrote:

Mahamoud81 wrote:

theyuusuf143 wrote:All Somalis have the same Origins with the exception of Cadcad and jareer.

If Sheikh Isxaaq rahimahullah was a myth then our whole country is a myth. Stop pushing these new and dangerous ideas that are a threat to the sanctity of our nation.

Why do all sheegato pretend to be isaaq. Some next level inferiority complex

Sheegatos are the ones who deny Duriyada. Go to any Somaliland xaflad and tell the people their ancestor didn't exist. Let us the reaction of those "sheegatos".

It is only online of so called Isaaq denying our abtirsi.

we might have allot of similaraties but also allott of differences hence why the somali republic failed we don't consider our selves to be the same even though we speak the same language and thats where it ends most of the time. we appear the same but most east horn africans look a similar way so that cant be the reason only

Prior to the republic, there has never been a unified Somalia state, that unified all of the lands (like QIN EMPIRE).

Kkkk you are telling me we are different because of Qabiil and accents? As an example take Ogaden who claim to be the same clan laakin in every region have a different dialect and sub culture

The ones in the North East have a Qaldaan Accent, ones Jigjiga and the west have their own accent same with the ones in the center. And that's just in the Ogaden. The Ogaden in Waamo have their own dialects too so gtfo with this bullshit


Somali waa iskuwada mid. No significant differences

Some people will kill to have a homogeneous society.

All of the main clans

Daarood, Hawiye, Isaaq/Dir are of the same origins.

Dir are an ancient tribe, and surprisingly they tend to have a different Y chromosomal haplogorup (Uni parental marker) to the majority of other Somalis, in haplogroup T. It is no surprise that they are called Dir caws la fil! meaning they are as old as the grass and vegetation.

I am not too sure about the Rahanwayn, but I suspect they are just a variant of Somali.


The other groups you posted are just minorities that have different origins to the main clans.

Khalid Ali wrote:we might have allot of similaraties but also allott of differences hence why the somali republic failed we don't consider our selves to be the same even though we speak the same language and thats where it ends most of the time. we appear the same but most east horn africans look a similar way so that cant be the reason only

Actually many Somalis have taken genetic tests, and sorry to break it to you, but we are all very closely related kin.

On genetic tests most Somalis turn out to be 3rd to distant cousins despite what clan they come from. We are actually 1 family, this is a fact!

somalis missunderdand genetics first of all not all somalis have been tested the e1b1 haplogroup i shared among millions across the globe what is important is the sub clade marker no study have been done of the sub clan marker. only murax and hyper shared the same sub clade so there is truth to the darood clan familiy

the somalis are not per say homogenous people
u need more than a language to bind people for example me and gashaanle a language binds us not nationality or qabil country. the same way new zeal land and the united states share a language.

Despite all the shegatos, most Samaales do form a single genetic group. But several ethnic minorities are being ignored here.

There was a native Bajuni language before it got mixed up with Swahilli, etc.

http://www.ucs.mun.ca/%7Ednurse/bajuni_ ... cument.pdf

"Swahili, and its coastal dialects, including Bajuni, are members of a linguistic grouping known as Sabaki, whose other members are Comorian (spoken in the Comoro Islands), Pokomo (Lower Tana River, NE Kenya), Elwana, (above Pokomo, on the Tana), and Miji Kenda (SE coast of Kenya)."

"The community and communities speaking the language ancestral to today’s Sabaki, and its emerging offspring, were located in the area bounded by the Tana River in the south, the Indian Ocean, and the Webi Shebelle in the north, in the general period from AD500 to AD800. At a later point in this early period, the Pokomo and Miji Kenda lived inland, along and near the Webe Shebelle, while the community ancestral to today’s northern Swahili lived on the coast, as early as AD800, in the general area of the Lamu Archipelago in northern Kenya."

The Midgan, Mahdibaan, and Eyle, and probably some of the other small minority groups such as the Galgala, are remnants of the Khoisan.

I am also thinking Somalis need to take another look at afMaay.
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MAAY SCRIPT.

http://shcas.shnu.edu.cn/LinkClick.aspx ... uage=zh-CN

" In 1972, the Somali Republic adopted a Latin-based script for Af-Mahaa, which became the official language of the nation. Maay speakers reacted by aggressively working on the development of their own script. In 1976, a secret association, the Af-yaal (Language Keep-
ers), was founded to revive Maay language and culture, but by 1980 many Af-yaal members were persecuted, imprisoned, or driven into exile. It was those in exile who developed various forms of Maay scripts. The ISA adopted a form of Maay script developed by Abdullahi Haji Has-
san (Aw-Soomow) and Ahmed Mohamed Ali (Ycaycurow) called Alif-Maay, “the Maay alphabet.” There are letters for 34 vowels and consonants.
The consonants are called shibly: B, P, T, J, JH, D, TH, R, S, SH, DH, G, GH,Q, F, K, L, M, N, NG, W, H, Y, and YC. The vowels are called shaghal: A, E,
I, O, U, AA, EE, II, OO, UU, and Y if preceded by a consonant, as in dugsy (school) or serby(rod).
There are six vowels and consonants that are exclusive to Af-Maay and not present in the officially recognized Mahaa. They are:
P, which always occurs in the middle of a word, a sound produced by the lips, similar to the English P, e.g., heped (chest), hopoog (scarf for women), or opy (placenta); JH,a guttural sound close to the English J, e.g., jheer (shyness), jhirying (fracture), or jhiir (name of grazing land northeast of Baidoa ). TH, pronounced as th in the English article “the,” e.g., mathal (appointment), ething (permission), or mathy (head); GH, pronounced as in the Arabic ghayn, e.g., haghar (deceive); NG,similar to the end sounds of the English word, “helping,” e.g.,
angkaar (curse),engjeg (dry), or oong (thirst); and YC, like the Italian signora, e.g. ycaaycur (cat) or maaycy (ocean). When Mahaa was the official language, people speaking these sounds faced discrimination. If one’s name held those sounds not recognized as standard, the name would be transliterated into Mahaa and, thus, it was possible not to recognize one’s “official” name, e.g., Iddiraang Mad Emed
in Af-Maay would become Cabdiraxmaan Maxamed Axmed in the official Mahaa."

Somalia was never a single-language country, and it has multiple ethnicities, despite the claims made at independence, and since. Some of what folks are claiming might be correct, but at the very least you need to distinguish between Somali and Samaale.

Khalid Ali wrote:somalis missunderdand genetics first of all not all somalis have been tested the e1b1 haplogroup i shared among millions across the globe what is important is the sub clade marker no study have been done of the sub clan marker. only murax and hyper shared the same sub clade so there is truth to the darood clan familiy

the somalis are not per say homogenous people
u need more than a language to bind people for example me and gashaanle a language binds us not nationality or qabil country. the same way new zeal land and the united states share a language.

It's not even about haplo groups only, Somalis all have similar autosomal ancestry. We all plot on the same place on autosomal PCA plots.

We are quite a homogenous people, this is a fact no matter how much you try to deny it.

Yes there are minor differences in sub clan haplo markers, but this is to be expected and does hold up the clan lineages. However we are all very mixed up, and we ultimately also go back to 2 progenitors!