Muslim man insults Trump and made everyone in America cry.

[Machiavelli2]

For those who were born in the United States, it is different but for those who weren't and became naturalised, please, this is what you signed to in-exchange for the passport and all the perks that come with American citizenship. Read and if you don't like it and think that you can't serve colonialism, don't become a citizen, this loyalty contract entails for all Western countries. Why will one voluntarily sign to this contract and them turn around and then accuse of others, "they are desperately seeking acceptance".

Naturalization Oath of Allegiance to the United States of America

"I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God."

Why declare allegiance and loyalty for naturalisation/citizenship?

What does this have to do with supporting neo-colonialism and western imperialism? Making someone naturalized citizen and having allegiance to the country doesnt imply you automatically go over to other countries shove Western values,failed democratic systems and govt while you bomb people back to the stone age and kill thousands of innocent non-combatant civilians.

Secondly even if you are a loyal US citizen this doesnt exempt you from making your own nation accountable for morally reprehensible acts. Some are you are so blinded that you think an uncritical approach to your own leaders is some sort of patriotism, some way of expressing national pride—it is not. Not to challenge the policies of leadership is to engage in passive tyranny.

Ina Adeer, if you read carefully the Naturalisation Allegiance Oath, the old man and his family are VOLUNTARILY dispensing their end of the NATURALISATION CONTRACT when they signed that CITIZENSHIP document. America didn't just turn a "super-power" that polices the world for it's own interests recently (after they signed the document) and for that case, it has illegally invaded many countries. They voluntarily decided to apply, be accepted as citizens and join such a country and sign this clearly written and worded document. If you don't agree with it, don't become a naturalised citizen. Simple as that. Then, how is that old man "desperately seeking acceptance" when he signed a contract of loyalty with the government of the United States as a condition of becoming a citizen? No one is saying or arguing that you can't criticise the policies, leaders, or even the culture of the United States, but please, let us not put the cart before the horse for argument's sake.

[Strategic]

that is goood.guys,what is the easiest way to come to USA? if i have to pay it? PM me,AMERICA is indeed great.

[theyuusuf143]

Phuking sahan galbeed. who do you think you are? cut your tail and go to the club , even the drunk people can recognize you are a Muslim. it will never disappear your face no matter how you tie your tail up . it happened to me many times in the middle of the club. I don't even have sujuud or any other sign of muslimhood . yet the Muslim identity is stamped right on my face. Its because of our Somali ethnicity we are all considered Muslims. I wonder how you apostates convince your self that you can fit the infidel crowd when shit hits the fan. phuking you, if you can claim Atheist so do I, let's even claim budhists like X.playa to see how far we get kkkkkk

[jalaaludin5]

For those who were born in the United States, it is different but for those who weren't and became naturalised, please, this is what you signed to in-exchange for the passport and all the perks that come with American citizenship. Read and if you don't like it and think that you can't serve colonialism, don't become a citizen, this loyalty contract entails for all Western countries. Why will one voluntarily sign to this contract and them turn around and then accuse of others, "they are desperately seeking acceptance".

Naturalization Oath of Allegiance to the United States of America

"I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God."

Why declare allegiance and loyalty for naturalisation/citizenship?

What does this have to do with supporting neo-colonialism and western imperialism? Making someone naturalized citizen and having allegiance to the country doesnt imply you automatically go over to other countries shove Western values,failed democratic systems and govt while you bomb people back to the stone age and kill thousands of innocent non-combatant civilians.

Secondly even if you are a loyal US citizen this doesnt exempt you from making your own nation accountable for morally reprehensible acts. Some are you are so blinded that you think an uncritical approach to your own leaders is some sort of patriotism, some way of expressing national pride—it is not. Not to challenge the policies of leadership is to engage in passive tyranny.

Ina Adeer, if you read carefully the Naturalisation Allegiance Oath, the old man and his family are VOLUNTARILY dispensing their end of the NATURALISATION CONTRACT when they signed that CITIZENSHIP document. America didn't just turn a "super-power" that polices the world for it's own interests recently (after they signed the document) and for that case, it has illegally invaded many countries. They voluntarily decided to apply, be accepted as citizens and join such a country and sign this clearly written and worded document. If you don't agree with it, don't become a naturalised citizen. Simple as that. Then, how is that old man "desperately seeking acceptance" when he signed a contract of loyalty with the government of the United States as a condition of becoming a citizen? No one is saying or arguing that you can't criticise the policies, leaders, or even the culture of the United States, but please, let us not put the cart before the horse for argument's sake.

The implication of what the mightynomad is talking about (and his not alone) has nothing to do with naturalisation or swearing allegiance to a country. Muslims already know, alligiance to the country they reside in goes without saying. And that doesn't mean even if you take the oath, it means it should treated as being above or beyond interference, criticism, and challenges (just like Mohamed Ali refuse to go to Vietnam because it was wrong and morally reprehensible).

The bottom line is, you can be muslim american without having to sound like your grovelling for acceptance.
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[SuldaanMaplesyrup]

https://www.facebook.com/haqiqatjou/pos ... 3371374377

Miyuu been sheegay

[Machiavelli2]

Jalaaludiin5

Ina Adeer, I know where both of you are coming from, yes, I along with millions of others, regardless of their faith and ethnicity will never enlist in the military and we will base our objections in not invading others and the unnecessarily killing and seriously injuring of innocent people. Let's not kid ourselves, wars are an integral part of man's existence. With or without America wars will take place. On the other pendulum, there are those who strongly believe and were successfully sold to the idea of patriotism that they should fight for the "interests" of their country and the greater good of the world by "promoting democracy and the rule of law". Hence, both ideas become subjective. Those who believe that America (though it makes so many mistakes) is an agent for good internally and externally when it actively participates (invasions and threats) and engages with the rest of the world. On the other side are those who believe that America is just another neo-colonial power that it's only intention is to exploit the weaker nations and there might be a better way to deal with the rest of the world. Both views are found within both, the old & new Americans. The point is there is nothing wrong with the decisions made by that family. They fitted in one of that two narrative paradigm of American politics.

[jalaaludin5]

That's an evasive answer, inaadeer lol You are still side stepping the subject which is simply, 'how far do muslim americans have to go in order to prove that they are as american as the next John doe'.? That family are americans, their son died for flag and country, and yet there they are trying to justify their muslimnimo (that's basically what that was) by reminding the audience and america of that precious constitution. So it's more about those that bough into that whole, "The Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave” . Those dead set on joining the club, at any coast and regardless of which hymn sheet they have to read from.

[Lancer]

Great speech, as Muslims Americans we need to be be politically and socially engaged. We can't be closing ourselves off from the rest of society and expecting people to not view us with suspicion. Millions of viewers tuned in and many of them in a poll described this as the most powerful speech in both conventions. RIP Capt. Humayun Khan

[Machiavelli2]

That's an evasive answer, inaadeer lol You are still side stepping the subject which is simply, 'how far do muslim americans have to go in order to prove that they are as american as the next John doe'.? That family are americans, their son died for flag and country, and yet there they are trying to justify their muslimnimo (that's basically what that was) by reminding the audience and america of that precious constitution. So it's more about those that bough into that whole, "The Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave” . Those dead set on joining the club, at any coast and regardless of which hymn sheet they have to read from.

Ina Adeer, I'm not evading your question but pointing out to you the obvious. Are you telling me that no Muslim boy or girl should be aspire to become president or a member of the cabinet of the United States of America unless it benefits "Muslims"? Who are these Muslims? The warlords and despotic regimes that they fled? How are they not entitled (Islamically) to fight for the United States Army against Alshahabab, ISIS or Boko Haram, Al-Saud, Sisi and et.al All Muslim Nations cooperate with them to fight against these groups, they also have military installations in nearly all the Muslim countries. why can't an individual do the same if they want to fight for their country? Let's cut to the chase, there ain't an Islamic State and never will be one at-least in our life-time, but there are nations and populations who are Muslims and most of them are killing one another like we Somalis are killing for clannish reasons. Why are many Muslims fleeing to the West? I wouldn't go to war myself, but this father's son and others are entitled to go war for whatever country's emblem they want to fight for. It's far more Islamically ethical than our never ending clannish wars and the destruction we caused and continue to cause. What comes to mind is the adage of, if you live in a glass house, ehem ehem.

[jalaaludin5]

Am not calling for Muslim's to renounce their citizenship and move to a muslim country. America is their country and AA have endured far worst. Yes they can serve in every field and I do not believe for one second that muslims in the service are less (muslim) or left the fold of islam. And yes muslim children can aspire to become the future leaders, but at what coast? It's that question and the different ways we see it is what we are discussing. On one hand you have those that are mindful of their muslim/islamic identity, and always trying to find a balance between been a Muslim and been a Muslim in America, today. To them the constitution, the flag and God bless america, are not sacrosanct.

Then you have the...go along to get along groupies. The uncle rukus (cami rukus)...asalamu caleykum masser and may Allah also bless america. i am proud american muslim and i support same sex marriage. And am Muslim. You know how huge that is? Me, a muslim, proudly supporting same sex marriage. THAT'S BECAUSE AM AN AMERICAN
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[SahanGalbeed]

That's an evasive answer, inaadeer lol You are still side stepping the subject which is simply, 'how far do muslim americans have to go in order to prove that they are as american as the next John doe'.? That family are americans, their son died for flag and country, and yet there they are trying to justify their muslimnimo (that's basically what that was) by reminding the audience and america of that precious constitution. So it's more about those that bough into that whole, "The Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave” . Those dead set on joining the club, at any coast and regardless of which hymn sheet they have to read from.

I'm picking on you because you're my tribesmen , I wanna make you better
Here's how it works . There is a contract between a a man and his country . All the white people , the "John Does" used to have tribes just like we do . From tribes they've moved on to fiefdoms, and from fiefdom to country . That's what we call in French " le droit du sol " {birthplace} versus " le droit du sang " {blood /genetics} . That's how a man with a celtic last name can become president of France { Mac Mahon} or a man with a French last name , foreign minister of Germany .
The contract between the man and his country is the country will be there for you when you need it , and you will do the same for the country . If you just reap all the benefits and escape your part of the deal, it is not what is expected of any citizen .
Now what makes you and all the other retards who predominantly live in the UK like you , react in this manner ?
Because the guy is a muslim , right ? WHERE DOES IT SAY THAT ALL MUSLIMS SHOULD HAVE THE SAME OPINON ?Do you all know what freedom is or do you think we all belong to a cult which dictates our political expression ?
The reason this man was invited is to PROMOTE THE IMAGE OF THE MUSLIMS IN THE UNITED STATES !!!!. IT IS THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY"s CONVENTION who's been held a week after the Republican's party convention . Service in the country's armed forces IS A BIG THING IN THE UNITED STATES , at every convention {republican or democrat} patriotism is highlighted . Now tell me , in its effort to demonstrate that the muslims in the United States are an integral part of this country , why we should give a fu,k about what some muslims refugees in Great Britain think , seriously ? Know your{ collective} place in the literal sense .
Sida ciyaalka ayaad wax walba iska hadashaan , indinkoon aka fikirin waxaad cambaaraynaysaan . Waa iska wada "emotional " uuuc , aaac iiic . Aniga oo somali ah baa idin la yaaban e , walle inaan ka yaabin in gaalada qaarkood damcaan iney badda idinku tuuraan
Waxaad mooda ciyaal yar yar oo " school yard " taagan oo leh " Allah ba kaa day , hebel iyo hebel ayuu isku dhe-dhejinaya e , ma xishoonoyo , dhihdihdi "
Dhowr iyo labaatan jir baad tihiin e wax isku fala , badwanimadu iyo uqdadu na dhuuxa ayay idin kaga jirta wallahi iyo billahi , si walbaad ingiriis ugu hadashaan .