James Dahl come in about your abtirsi website

[James Dahl]

The clans that are in Maxamed Xanaftire are:

Quran Maxamed Xanaftire: the Dir branch of the Garre
Magadle Maxamed Xanaftire: father of Magado, of the Habar Magadle
Axmed Maxamed Xanaftire: (allegedly) Isaaq's father
Jammal "Biyomaal" Maxamed Xanaftire: Biyomaal of southern Somalia
Bajamaal Maxamed Xanaftire: lesser known
Dabruube Maxamed Xanaftire: also lesser known

[X.Playa]

And why assume simply because of resemblance of tow names that Sheikh Isxaaq is the son of this Axmed Maxamed Xanfitre? your entire argument rests on resemblance of names and what else? and another thing is your foolish argument on the website page , you stated that sheikh Isxaaq and Yusuf Al-Kawaynayn have the same genealogy and you concluded that sheekih Isxaaq could be Yuusuf's legendary allged victim the low-cast sorcerer Bucur Bacayr ( or as you medley put it so and so Caniftire) now how is that logical ? and how can one concluded that from such proposition, if any thing can be concluded is that Sheikh Isxaaq and Yuusuf could be one and the same not that the former could be the vicitim of the later.

You are just bias my friend , whereas you refurbish daarood myth and legends you indirectly insinuate a low cast genealogy for Isaaq as a descendant of the Midgaan Bucur Bacayr using a twisted logic.

[X.Playa]

Regarding your falls claim of Sheikh Isxaaq and Yusuf's common genealogy , it was discussed and debated years ago in this very forum.

https://www.somalinet.com/forums/viewto ... 8&start=15

Another common myth is the geographical origin or end of Yusuf Al-Baghdadi ( Al-Kawnayn) which I think with good reasons that it was the south and not the north, Yuusuf al-Kawaynayn has more myth and legends in the south then in the north , the northern Yuusuf a.k.a Aw-Barkhadle is a recent ancestor of the Ciidagale clans and not the Arab one, most likely a 17 century Mullah.

[Djiboutian]

It is really funny how some gullible here entertain this phony noms de plume " James Dahl ".

X.playa don't waste your time with him. Everyone knows who Sharif Ishaq and Sheikh Yusuf Al Akwan were.

[James Dahl]

And why assume simply because of resemblance of tow names that Sheikh Isxaaq is the son of this Axmed Maxamed Xanfitre? your entire argument rests on resemblance of names and what else? and another thing is your foolish argument on the website page , you stated that sheikh Isxaaq and Yusuf Al-Kawaynayn have the same genealogy and you concluded that sheekih Isxaaq could be Yuusuf's legendary allged victim the low-cast sorcerer Bucur Bacayr ( or as you medley put it so and so Caniftire) now how is that logical ? and how can one concluded that from such proposition, if any thing can be concluded is that Sheikh Isxaaq and Yuusuf could be one and the same not that the former could be the vicitim of the later.

You are just bias my friend , whereas you refurbish daarood myth and legends you indirectly insinuate a low cast genealogy for Isaaq as a descendant of the Midgaan Bucur Bacayr using a twisted logic.

Bucur Bacayr is not Maxamed Xanaftire, honestly I am not sure whether Bucur Bacayr actually existed or not or is mythical, there is only a legendary association between Bucur Bacayr and the Midgan ancestor Maxamed Xanif, who lived in the 1400s or so judging by abtirsi.

The Isaaq abtirsi I have seen are chronologically possible, but I don't think it's likely that they're true, that said I don't think the Dir claim is accurate either, I stop at Isaaq Axmed Maxamed, let other people argue about what goes after that.

[xiimaaya]

It's very common knowledge that Issaq had tumaal lineage as recently 130yrs ago.

[X.Playa]

It's very common knowledge that Issaq had tumaal lineage as recently 130yrs ago.

Its that simple huh , care to enlighten us about this very common and recent tumaal lineage.?

[X.Playa]

And why assume simply because of resemblance of tow names that Sheikh Isxaaq is the son of this Axmed Maxamed Xanfitre? your entire argument rests on resemblance of names and what else? and another thing is your foolish argument on the website page , you stated that sheikh Isxaaq and Yusuf Al-Kawaynayn have the same genealogy and you concluded that sheekih Isxaaq could be Yuusuf's legendary allged victim the low-cast sorcerer Bucur Bacayr ( or as you medley put it so and so Caniftire) now how is that logical ? and how can one concluded that from such proposition, if any thing can be concluded is that Sheikh Isxaaq and Yuusuf could be one and the same not that the former could be the vicitim of the later.

You are just bias my friend , whereas you refurbish daarood myth and legends you indirectly insinuate a low cast genealogy for Isaaq as a descendant of the Midgaan Bucur Bacayr using a twisted logic.

Bucur Bacayr is not Maxamed Xanaftire, honestly I am not sure whether Bucur Bacayr actually existed or not or is mythical, there is only a legendary association between Bucur Bacayr and the Midgan ancestor Maxamed Xanif, who lived in the 1400s or so judging by abtirsi.

The Isaaq abtirsi I have seen are chronologically possible, but I don't think it's likely that they're true, that said I don't think the Dir claim is accurate either, I stop at Isaaq Axmed Maxamed, let other people argue about what goes after that.

your last statement is fair and no one is demanding of you anything more or less, but the claim on Sheikh Isxaaq page that Sheekh Isxaaq could be son of Axmed Maxamed Xiniftire is unsubstantiated and ridiculous and should be removed or you should defend your claim.

[James Dahl]

The "possible father by some accounts" means that there are traditions out there that say the guy's dad is person X, but I don't buy it.

If you go up to Axmed, Isaaq's father, I have another "possible father by some accounts" where he traces up to Ali ibn Abu Talib.

[hangool79]

And why assume simply because of resemblance of tow names that Sheikh Isxaaq is the son of this Axmed Maxamed Xanfitre? your entire argument rests on resemblance of names and what else? and another thing is your foolish argument on the website page , you stated that sheikh Isxaaq and Yusuf Al-Kawaynayn have the same genealogy and you concluded that sheekih Isxaaq could be Yuusuf's legendary allged victim the low-cast sorcerer Bucur Bacayr ( or as you medley put it so and so Caniftire) now how is that logical ? and how can one concluded that from such proposition, if any thing can be concluded is that Sheikh Isxaaq and Yuusuf could be one and the same not that the former could be the vicitim of the later.

You are just bias my friend , whereas you refurbish daarood myth and legends you indirectly insinuate a low cast genealogy for Isaaq as a descendant of the Midgaan Bucur Bacayr using a twisted logic.

Bucur Bacayr is not Maxamed Xanaftire, honestly I am not sure whether Bucur Bacayr actually existed or not or is mythical, there is only a legendary association between Bucur Bacayr and the Midgan ancestor Maxamed Xanif, who lived in the 1400s or so judging by abtirsi.

The Isaaq abtirsi I have seen are chronologically possible, but I don't think it's likely that they're true, that said I don't think the Dir claim is accurate either, I stop at Isaaq Axmed Maxamed, let other people argue about what goes after that.

lool and this comes from jaamac dahir who gobbles up the warsangayli 'sultanate' straight from lucy half ape to current suldaan, no clan has more dubious abtirsi than the dooro clans, especially the majeerteens and warsans, the dhulos mimick their overlord the most, so they are tiny better.

Btw your whole website is sh!t, I suggest you stop this nonsense and mind your own business, we dont need another cadaan fool claiming to be expert on some blackies in the horn. If you wanna continue this charade website, put up a disclaimer that you are no scientist, holds no credentials, your sources are oral or weak, and nothing from the site should be referenced.

[JSL3000]

Xplaya exposes james dahl phoney claims.

Xplaya right this cadaan moron has disrespected beesha shiikh isaxaaq for too long time put end to it.

[X.Playa]

The "possible father by some accounts" means that there are traditions out there that say the guy's dad is person X, but I don't buy it.

If you go up to Axmed, Isaaq's father, I have another "possible father by some accounts" where he traces up to Ali ibn Abu Talib.

well its all good if you let us see these 'traditions" and possibilities , frankly I have never heard of such things and I have been at this hobby for almost tow decades , I would like to see or hear your sources be it oral or written of these claims.

[Raganimo]

You are just bias my friend , whereas you refurbish daarood myth and legends you indirectly insinuate a low cast genealogy for Isaaq as a descendant of the Midgaan Bucur Bacayr using a twisted logic.

You yourself rely heavily on British accounts that were most likely fed to the colonialists by their Isaaq subjects to discredit daaroods.

I find it ironic that you, of all people, would accuse someone else of being biased.

[Raganimo]

And why assume simply because of resemblance of tow names that Sheikh Isxaaq is the son of this Axmed Maxamed Xanfitre? your entire argument rests on resemblance of names and what else? and another thing is your foolish argument on the website page , you stated that sheikh Isxaaq and Yusuf Al-Kawaynayn have the same genealogy and you concluded that sheekih Isxaaq could be Yuusuf's legendary allged victim the low-cast sorcerer Bucur Bacayr ( or as you medley put it so and so Caniftire) now how is that logical ? and how can one concluded that from such proposition, if any thing can be concluded is that Sheikh Isxaaq and Yuusuf could be one and the same not that the former could be the vicitim of the later.

You are just bias my friend , whereas you refurbish daarood myth and legends you indirectly insinuate a low cast genealogy for Isaaq as a descendant of the Midgaan Bucur Bacayr using a twisted logic.

Bucur Bacayr is not Maxamed Xanaftire, honestly I am not sure whether Bucur Bacayr actually existed or not or is mythical, there is only a legendary association between Bucur Bacayr and the Midgan ancestor Maxamed Xanif, who lived in the 1400s or so judging by abtirsi.

The Isaaq abtirsi I have seen are chronologically possible, but I don't think it's likely that they're true, that said I don't think the Dir claim is accurate either, I stop at Isaaq Axmed Maxamed, let other people argue about what goes after that.

lool and this comes from jaamac dahir who gobbles up the warsangayli 'sultanate' straight from lucy half ape to current suldaan, no clan has more dubious abtirsi than the dooro clans, especially the majeerteens and warsans, the dhulos mimick their overlord the most, so they are tiny better.

Btw your whole website is sh!t, I suggest you stop this nonsense and mind your own business, we dont need another cadaan fool claiming to be expert on some blackies in the horn. If you wanna continue this charade website, put up a disclaimer that you are no scientist, holds no credentials, your sources are oral or weak, and nothing from the site should be referenced.

The lineage of daaroods is pretty much set in stone and is never disputed. It's you guys who flip flop about whether your forefather was some Iraqi merchant or some Dir nigga lol.

You guys are so dumb that you would accuse your own women of being prostitutes to score a cheap point against Warsangeli. You like to attack the lineage of sultan Mohamoud Ali Shire, yet you do not realise that his mother was from your clan.

Sxb just keep our name out of your stinking mouth and focus on figuring out the actual lineage of your alleged forefather. Was he Dir? Was he Iraqi? Was he Rendille? Was he Madhibaan?

And while you're at it, come up with an explanation for why genetic tests have proven that your tribe is a confederacy You do not all share the same paternal lineage

[X.Playa]

You are just bias my friend , whereas you refurbish daarood myth and legends you indirectly insinuate a low cast genealogy for Isaaq as a descendant of the Midgaan Bucur Bacayr using a twisted logic.

You yourself rely heavily on British accounts that were most likely fed to the colonialists by their Isaaq subjects to discredit daaroods.

I find it ironic that you, of all people, would accuse someone else of being biased.

British account? like what ?