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Re: Why are Somalis so divisive? (Serious topic)
Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2016 12:35 pm
by Ben Dover
AhmedBoqor wrote:
I'm whatever qabiil you want me to be.
Let's not derailed this topic with petty tribalism please. Even if you have an agenda you gotta at least be able to articulate your view.
You can not ask me to articulate my view without giving me necessary input, namely the answer to a fundamental question regarding your tribal affiliation.
We can not continue the discussion before you divulge which subclan of Hawiye you hail from. Then a member from your clan must validate your claims.
THEN AND ONLY THEN will a meaningful discussion be possible I am afraid.
See, knowing which subclan you hail from gives us much needed context, both historical and geopolitical to your loaded question. It is virtually impossible to answer you without having that information. This is the reason many members are seen to be 'derailing' the topic. They feel obliged to respond to your thread but with the absence of such vital information they are merely passing time until you provide us with information-kaaga.
Dont delay this please, it is inevitable, and we are waiting.
Re: Why are Somalis so divisive? (Serious topic)
Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2016 12:39 pm
by BarreLoyalist0
Geeljire252 wrote:BarreLoyalist0 wrote:Geeljire252 wrote:
War ninyahow isku xishood
Both Hassan Sheekh and cabdikariin Xuseen were achieving master degrees while Gaas was in a mental asylum.
which University did abdikarim Went to kkkkk bakara univeristy abdikaraim couldnt even read for himself what the doctors in india said he had to tell his wife to read for him and translate lol once moryaan Always a moryaan
Not only holds a masters degree from the University of Science and Technology in Yemen, he is also one of the founding fathers of Simad University, one of the best universities in Somalia.
C/kariin wax uu ka soo shaqeeyay dhinaca waxbarashada, isagoona si gaar ihi ula soo shaqeeyay Wakaaladda Muslimiinta Afrika, oo mashaariic waxbarasho, samafal iyo daryeelka agoonta ka fulisay dalka Somaliya.
Meanwhile your obese president was in a mental asylum.
how can one create and an academic institution when he cant articulate one sentence in English kkkkkk caku iyo caqliga hutuga
Re: Why are Somalis so divisive? (Serious topic)
Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2016 12:49 pm
by AhmedBoqor
TheMightyNomad wrote:I disagree we are no more divisive than the next group of people. There is no group on earth that hold no divisive nature, Humans can be 100% alike and still find ways to divide themselves. One example is Yugoslavia among many.
However i would say Somalis are culturally and socially united. Which can be attributed to being of the same Ethnic/Race. Where we are disunited is when it comes homeland politics.
I gave the reasons behind this political division on this thread. I know it's lengthy but please read it and give me your informed opinion.
https://www.somalinet.com/forums/viewto ... 8#p4748398
I enlisted the different factors from the widespread grievances (Unequal political participation and unequal resource distribution) that came about due to the imposition of incompatible structures and the constant adherence to western and non-Somali values & political ideologies.
As well as the totalitarianism of the former regime that triggered and embedded the mistrust by suppressing these inequities.
I also highlighted the solutions to the conflict and political division in Somalia in my conclusion on the first post.
I will read your link but I want to respond to your point here a little bit.
Every ethnicity/linguistic group has had their fair share of division, but when they're up against other ethnicities in most cases they always show up together, especially when they aren't a large group to begin with. We're a nation of 10 million up against 2 nations (Kenya and Ethiopia) with over 80 million Christians tightening their grip on us and we have no where to run but the ocean. Let's be honest, we're langaabs facing a daunting task for survival and yet we choose to fight internally over dusty tuulos instead of competing with Nairobi and Addis Ababa.
Yugoslavia was not a nation-state. They didn't share the same religion (division between Orthodox, Catholics, and Muslims) or language (Croat-Serb-Bosnian, Greek, Slovenian, etc), not to mention the Balkans was always a war zone throughout the past few centuries. A better comparison would be Ethiopia and Yugoslavia, which makes Ethiopia look really good because they've been able to restore order despite many civil wars and division.
Re: Why are Somalis so divisive? (Serious topic)
Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2016 12:52 pm
by AhmedBoqor
Ben Dover wrote:AhmedBoqor wrote:
I'm whatever qabiil you want me to be.
Let's not derailed this topic with petty tribalism please. Even if you have an agenda you gotta at least be able to articulate your view.
You can not ask me to articulate my view without giving me necessary input, namely the answer to a fundamental question regarding your tribal affiliation.
We can not continue the discussion before you divulge which subclan of Hawiye you hail from. Then a member from your clan must validate your claims.
THEN AND ONLY THEN will a meaningful discussion be possible I am afraid.
See, knowing which subclan you hail from gives us much needed context, both historical and geopolitical to your loaded question. It is virtually impossible to answer you without having that information. This is the reason many members are seen to be 'derailing' the topic. They feel obliged to respond to your thread but with the absence of such vital information they are merely passing time until you provide us with information-kaaga.
Dont delay this please, it is inevitable, and we are waiting.
Look up which private group I'm in and you can decipher what I am from there. No need for other users to validate anything.
Re: Why are Somalis so divisive? (Serious topic)
Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2016 12:58 pm
by Halmogg
GalliumerianSlayer wrote:Halmogg wrote:Somalis were not meant and can never coexist in 1 country. Till we realize that, will never move forward.
You want each city to be an independent entity?
Sub sub sub clans would be fighting within each other for leadership. There is no hope for this cursed ethnic group. Cursed since 69.
we not of the same people, to each on his own. Dont worry what happens in my land ee worry about yours.
Re: Why are Somalis so divisive? (Serious topic)
Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2016 12:59 pm
by GalliumerianSlayer
Clans started to appear 800CE, Somalis have been inhabiting the Somali Peninsula for several thousand of years..
Re: Why are Somalis so divisive? (Serious topic)
Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2016 1:03 pm
by AhmedBoqor
Halmogg wrote:GalliumerianSlayer wrote:Halmogg wrote:Somalis were not meant and can never coexist in 1 country. Till we realize that, will never move forward.
You want each city to be an independent entity?
Sub sub sub clans would be fighting within each other for leadership. There is no hope for this cursed ethnic group. Cursed since 69.
we not of the same people, to each on his own. Dont worry what happens in my land ee worry about yours.
If we're not the same people why do we speak the same language? Not trying to invalidate your point, but no one has explained thoroughly why all 16-20 million of us speak Somali.
Surely some of us must have been conquered by the original "Somalis" in order for all of us to be in the same linguistic group. Just like the English conquered most of the world hence why we're speaking their language and typing it as we go.
Re: Why are Somalis so divisive? (Serious topic)
Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2016 1:11 pm
by Geeljire252
joof wrote:Ben Dover wrote:AhmedBoqor wrote:
I was born in the West, so it's irrelevant to this discussion as I have no agenda. I'm just curious what your answers are.
You must be a Hawiye.
Why are you hiding your qabiil? Are you HG or Abgaal?
do hawiye hide their qabiil? and why?
100% op is not Hawiye.
He is Jeberti who is trying to play the "somalinimo" card.
Re: Why are Somalis so divisive? (Serious topic)
Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2016 1:14 pm
by Halmogg
Bro, i asked myself this questions many years ago foolishly believing in somali unity and all that stuff, iska illow sxb, it cannot work. The best we can do is coexisting peacefully as neighbors.
Re: Why are Somalis so divisive? (Serious topic)
Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2016 1:16 pm
by Halmogg
Ben, What does his qabil gotta do with what the guy is saying?
Re: Why are Somalis so divisive? (Serious topic)
Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2016 1:25 pm
by Geeljire252
BarreLoyalist0 wrote:
how can one create and an academic institution when he cant articulate one sentence in English kkkkkk caku iyo caqliga hutuga
War ninyahow isku xishood yaan cuqdada laga dareemin
Go worry about your Chinese in laws
Cabdikariin Xuseen is 100 times the man Gaas is or will ever be.
Re: Why are Somalis so divisive? (Serious topic)
Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2016 1:32 pm
by AhmedBoqor
Halmogg wrote:Bro, i asked myself this questions many years ago foolishly believing in somali unity and all that stuff, iska illow sxb, it cannot work. The best we can do is coexisting peacefully as neighbors.
I don't believe in Somali unity and that's not what I'm advocating in my posts. The "iska illow" mentality is not going to solve anything. If the country breaking down into qabiil-states is the solution why have we not accomplished that yet? Surely that's what most Somalis want.
We live in the white man's world and the white man says Somalia is going to remain intact regardless of our wishes, so like the indayar we have to figure out how to work around this instead of remaining idle. Even the Bantus figured this out and they are far more divided than we are.
Re: Why are Somalis so divisive? (Serious topic)
Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2016 1:45 pm
by GalliumerianSlayer
"The Somalis are a fierce race of republicans, constantly changing political loyalties-the Somalis lived in what amounted to a state of chronic political schizophrenia, verging on of anarchy."
-Sir Richard Burton, 19th century.
Fast forward to the 21st century and we're still the same.
Re: Why are Somalis so divisive? (Serious topic)
Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2016 1:55 pm
by Strategic
let every qabiil stay in their regions.problem solved.
Re: Why are Somalis so divisive? (Serious topic)
Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2016 2:12 pm
by UniQueen
Ben Dover wrote:AhmedBoqor wrote:
I was born in the West, so it's irrelevant to this discussion as I have no agenda. I'm just curious what your answers are.
You must be a Hawiye.
Why are you hiding your qabiil? Are you HG or Abgaal?
Since when did we hide our qaabil? LMAO there is nothing to hide our beautiful Landher qaabil. We even tell our sub sub sub sub clan immediately if asked.