Ummah Forum Part II: Would you marry a pretty Somali girl?

[X.Playa]

[X.Playa]

Ninyow kaagan Jalaaludiin la baxay arimahan kun jeer baanu kaaga jawaabnay oo kaa qancinay hadana every two months waxad la soo ordaysaa gabayga Qamaan Bulxan are you thick in the head?? what you and liquid are doing is an abominations , not only you are campigning for the abandonments of the traditions with no reason nor evidence ( sheikh Isxaaq) you want to replace sheikh Isxaaq with a mythical tarazan called Dir again for no reason and evidence , hadaad sidas u jeceshiin dafiraada isirkiina dee ugu yaraan Dir waxa dhaama sheegta Kawa-Zulu iyo Oromo sheegta what the fuckk is dir?.

[LiquidHYDROGEN]

I don't claim Dir. I believe Isaaq are an independent clan. But if I was to claim Dir, how in god's name is it comparable to claiming Zulu ama oromo? Wtf ummad dhan oo soomaaliyeed maxaad ka cayeysaa?

The only mythical thing is Ali baba on his magic carpet creating a whole clan by himself. Like I said, no Isaaq has shown any genetic affinity for arabs. Everyone has either had haplogroups E3b or T1a and full autosomal tests show that we are 95%+ east African. Like I said, I'm going to trust scientific data over Arabian Nights tales.

[jalaaludin5]

We been through this before and I just don't buy it. I mean the explanation given about Dir. Qamaan meant Dir...as in beesha Direed and has nothing to do with isaq been many (hordes).

And there is absolutely no reason whatsoever to turn this into a desperate attack buy making it as if I take my q from "Ogaadeen". I also quotes isaq poets who used the Dir name and you changed the definition of the word into something other than what was implied. I heard hundreds of isaq discuss that qamaan poem and there are always those who deny isaq was Dir, but I have never heard anyone giving a different explanation of what qamaan was referring to other than the obvious. You are the first person who defined Dir as something other than the clan.

I read your explanation. I thought about it. But I just can't digest it.

I am not convinced and until I find definitive proof that put my doubts to rest I will stick to my guns.

So go ahead with the accusations that I listen to ogadeen. Or even better, I have an issue with my isaqnimo.
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[X.Playa]

We been through this before and I just don't buy it. I mean the explanation given about Dir. Qamaan meant Dir...as in beesha Direed and has nothing to do with isaq been many (hordes).

And there is absolutely no reason whatsoever to turn this into a desperate attack buy making it as if I take my q from "Ogaadeen". I also quotes isaq poets who used the Dir name and you changed the definition of the word into something other than what was implied. I heard hundreds of isaq discuss that qamaan poem and there are always those who deny isaq was Dir, but I have never heard anyone giving a different explanation of what qamaan was referring to other than the obvious. You are the first person who defined Dir as something other than the clan.

I read your explanation. I thought about it. But I just can't digest it.

I am not convinced and until I find definitive proof that put my doubts to rest I will stick to my guns.

So go ahead with the accusations that I listen to ogadeen. Or even better, I have an issue with my isaqnimo.
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Any person with basic somali knowledge of poetry can understand from the context of both Qamaan and Ismaaciil cigaal bullaale usage of the term dir. You are arguing as though Qamaan Bulxan is an expert on isaaq genealogy and you ignore isaaq poets like Aflow and Sharmaarke's genealog that was recorded long before the birth of all the quoted poets. But I guess your desperation to be a decendant of the Tarzan Dir is boundless and blinding.

[jalaaludin5]

The usage of the term "DIR"!

And therein lies the rub.

It's very convenient to find a different meaning of the term Dir in order to dismiss the whole Argument. Like I said, my understanding of how that term was used is what my whole argument is based on. Simple. No need for complications.

And this is not about qaman or his ogaadennimo but rather that statement he made about idoor. Since there has never been any reply to that Dir label in his poem (correcting him of his mistake by calling isaq Dir) you came in from a different angle by changing the meaning of the term DIR. I have to admit, it's clever. It's convenient. But I don't buy it.
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[X.Playa]

You are not presenting any convincing arguments. I have explained all of your claims. In all of your quote there is not a single reference to Dir the tribe it's dir the term.

It's neither clever not cunning it's basic somali,

Orgi door ah naag dir badan haday adhi ku soo dayso.

How do you explain this away?

[SahanGalbeed]

Pure Q is not a somali , but let him/her enjoy his/her weird course of action to which he /she dedicates a weird commitment .
You know so called civilized people , city dwellers , force people to behave in a certain and ban you when they don't like you . We're from the arid plains of Africa , nobody can ban anyone from what doesn't belong to them , the open space .You wanna pose as a somali in order to infiltrate and ultimately make them look bad , go ahead Allah be with you
LH

But you cajuus, still haven't answered my question. How do you reconcile your pathological hatred of arabs with an almost religious belief that you descend from an Arab who came on a magic carpet and macked with a xalimo?

, caadi ma'aha ninkan, waxba maskaxda u fadhiya . Uqdad ba la yidha .

[X.Playa]

Pure Q is not a somali , but let him/her enjoy his/her weird course of action to which he /she dedicates a weird commitment .
You know so called civilized people , city dwellers , force people to behave in a certain and ban you when they don't like you . We're from the arid plains of Africa , nobody can ban anyone from what doesn't belong to them , the open space .You wanna pose as a somali in order to infiltrate and ultimately make them look bad , go ahead Allah be with you
LH

But you cajuus, still haven't answered my question. How do you reconcile your pathological hatred of arabs with an almost religious belief that you descend from an Arab who came on a magic carpet and macked with a xalimo?

, caadi ma'aha ninkan, waxba maskaxda u fadhiya . Uqdad ba la yidha .

Walee adaa cuqdad qaba naago la koryow naago la korku dhalay ee dhaqanka amxaarada leh.

[jalaaludin5]

You are not presenting any convincing arguments. I have explained all of your claims. In all of your quote there is not a single reference to Dir the tribe it's dir the term.

It's neither clever not cunning it's basic somali,

Orgi door ah naag dir badan haday adhi ku soo dayso.

How do you explain this away?

the usage of the term Dir in that line tells me it has nothing to do with the clan.
Am not disputing the fact that Dir has also different meaning. But the way Dir is used in those poems is obviously different than how it's used in your example above.

Again Dir can have different meaning....as in sending someone to fetch something. Hebel dir. Lool but as far as those poems are concerned, I honestly believe it was referring to the clan.

I know you explained all my quotes but I just disagree. I believe they were referring to the clan. Let me give you another example. Gabaygii Cabdi Iidan ee deeleyda, what is he talking about when says..... Dufann jecel dharyaha kari. Dictator been a sheegtiyo. Afar u ku daahiyo. Mid amaana doontiyo, Dir-cunnooy ha kala tegin. Who is he calling Dir-cunnoy? And who are the Dir is he talking about? My understanding of thisas always been that...cabdi iidan was addressing Siad Bare and the Dir are the Isaq clan.

In a nutshell, Does the term DIR Have Different usage? Absolutely! Is the usage of the term DIR IN those poems refer to anything other than the clan? NO!

wa bilahi tawfiq!
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[X.Playa]

How is :

Isaaq waa dir hadduu dullan soo kiciye.

Any different usage, isaaq are multitude if they attacked. Even the second line emphasizes the usage:

Dunjiga habar maagdu haduu dabarka soo goosto. If the entire house of magaado broke it's tether.

The third line also seales the full and only usage of the term dir.

Waar yaa la d'a dawyadaad xuliye
Who dare can challenge them .....

[jalaaludin5]

How is :

Isaaq waa dir hadduu dullan soo kiciye.

Any different usage, isaaq are multitude if they attacked. Even the second line emphasizes the usage:

Dunjiga habar maagdu haduu dabarka soo goosto. If the entire house of magaado broke it's tether.

The third line also seales the full and only usage of the term dir.

Waar yaa la d'a dawyadaad xuliye
Who dare can challenge them .....

Isaq waa Dir haduu duulaan soo kiciyo...Isaq is (part of) Dir....
Even if I go with your usage of the term (been many...hordes) he is pointing to the fact that they are a member of the large Dir clan.

And that third line you say seal the only usage of the term actually further demonstrate that he is referring to the Dir clan.

Horta yaa La da,a .....da' = age .....to show iney dad not only badan yihiin but also ugu da'weynyiihin qabiilada soomalida.

So qaman was showing ali dhuux that isaq are part of the dir clan. And dir are not only many but also qabiilka ugu xadaarad dheer soomali.

Also, if the usage of that term is only to say.......Isaq are many, can you find me any other example where the term Dir was used to demonstrate the size of a clan? Like,...daarood/hawiye dir weeye (to say that they are many).
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