Somaliland 1st Democratically-elected Parliament in 1960

[Musa26]

Musa,

you called it that, it is not appeasing, when you give other people fair share of the pie.

You want Isaaq dominated Somaliland ? Stop claiming other clans then.

Can't have it both ways

it is appeasement, that is the only way to describe it. u know aswell as i do that if the darafs were serious and patriotic then everything would be kosher. somaliland is a democracy nobody claims the darafs they can move out of the country if they choose to but the land will remain to be claim by us
dude you saw how cali warancade's position was given to a dhulo, the darafs do get their share of the pie you are just appeasing them

[PrinceNugaalHawd]

Prince are you sure there was 3 ciise MPs in the 60s.

Baarlamaankii somaliland ee ugu horeeyey 1960-kii ,magacyada xubaha iyo beelaha ay ka soo jeedaan.
17-kii bishii febarwar ee sanadkii 1960 ayaa loo cayimay in la qabto doorashada baarlamaanka somaliland. Goobaha codbixinta waxa loo qaybiyey laba. Oo kala ahaa.
1) Magaalo madaxyada degmooyinka
2) Goobo ka baxsan magaalo madaxyada sida, tuulooyinka iyo meelaha miyiga ah.
Dadweynaha ka codaynaya magaalo madaxyada waxa loo qorsheeyey in magacooda la diwaangaliyo, ka hore intaan la gaadhin maalinta doorashada. Goobaha kale ee ka baxsan magaalooyinka waxa loo qorsheeyey in magacooda la diwaangaliyo maalinta codka ay dhiibanayaan. Inta badan doorashadu waxay ka dhacday goobihii loogu tallogalay, marka laga reebo LAASQORAY iyo SAYLAC taaso ay ugu wacnayd inaan lala tartamin xubnihii iska soo sharaxay, oo kaligood loo daayey.
Xeerarka doorashada
= Dumarka looma ogalayn inay ka qaybgalaan doorashada
= Ragga la dooranayo waa inaanay da’doodu ka yarayn 28 sanno
= Waxa codayn kara qofkii ka weyn 21 sanadood
= waxa codayn kara qofkii muslim ah, lama ogala gaalada.
Sidey ururadii tartamayey u kala heleen xubaha.
= Ururka S.N.L wuxuu helay 20 xubnood
= Ururka U.S.P wuxuu helay 12 xubnood
= Ururka N.U.F wuxuu helay 1 xubin.
Tirada guud e ay heleen ururada tartamayey waa 33 xildhibaan.
Magacyada xubnihii la soo doortay iyo beelaha ay ka soo jeedaan.
a) Degmada Hargaysa
1) Ali max’ed xaaji abokor……sacad muuse/reer gadiid
2) Yusuf ismail samatar( gaandi) ….sacad muuse/cabdalle sacad
3) Jaamac c/laahi qaalib……..ciidagale/ reer buraale
4) Max’ed biihi shuuriye……gabooye/tumaal
5) c/laahi xuseen ( ina doob-ilkoole)..arab/samane
6) sh.barkhad cawaale geesood… sacad muuse/jibriil abokor
7) xaaji ibraahin osmaan food……isaxaaq/qaasim
b) Degmada Boorama
1) Abuukar sh. Cumar ….gadabuursi/ reer ugaas
2) Jaamac geelle ciise….ciise/mamaasan
3) Xaaji muuse ahmed shirwac… ciise/furlable
4) Cabdi xasan buuni…….gadabuursi/xeeb-jire
5) Xaaji ibraahin nuur……gadabuursi/reer nuur
c) Degmada Berbera
1) Max’ed xaaji ibraahin cigaal…. ciise muuse/max’ed ciise
2) Xaaji yusuf iimaan guleed…..habaryoonis/muuse cabdalle
3) Xaaji c/laahi diiriye warsame….ciise muuse/max’ed ciise
4) Xaaji adan yusuf …………….ciise muuse/adan ciise
5) Cali qawdhan…………habar-awal/danwadaag
d) Degmada Burco
1) Ahmed xaaji ducaale cabdale…..habar jeclo/uduruxmiin
2) Yusuf kaahin ahmed……………habar-awal—————-
3) Sh. Cali ismail yacquub…….habar yoonis/xirsi cismaan
4) Ciise jaamac max’ed………. toljecle———————-
5) Abokor xaaji faarax………… habar yoonis/muuse carre
6) Maxamuud yaasiin sh.muuse……habar yoonis/reer abokor

e) Degmada ceerigaabo
1) Sh. Ahmed maxamuud dalmar…….habar yoonis/muuse ismail
2) Max’ed cali faarax………..habar jeclo/uduruxmiin
3) C/laahi maxamed ahmed(qablan) …….warsangali/reer garaad
4) Maykal maryaano ali ……. habar jeclo/uduruxmiin
5) Maxamuud max’ed xasan ( cadaan-weyne)…….. warsangali/reer faatax

f) Degmada laascaanood
1) Osmaan garaad max’ed ….dhulbahante/ugaadhyahan
2) Ali garaac jamaac……….dhulbahante/bararsame
3) Cabdalle xaaji faarax magan……dhulbahante/samakaab ahmed
4) Ibraahin iid…………………………..dhulabahante/ba’idarys
5) Max’ed yusuf geedeey……dhulbahante/yaxye.

[PrinceNugaalHawd]

Ciise I think got 2

Dir 15% (isse 6%, GB 9%)
Harti 21% (Dh 15%, War 6%)
Tumal 3%
Isaaq 58% to 60%

[Xildiiid]

Musa,

you called it that, it is not appeasing, when you give other people fair share of the pie.

You want Isaaq dominated Somaliland ? Stop claiming other clans then.

Can't have it both ways

They won't get shit..

Either they participate in the political process or they can leave Somaliland.

Btw, it was not fair back then because Isaaq is always described and addressed as a monolith when it comes to politics while minority clans are divided into sub clans and allocated political seats as sub clans but the same formula never applies for Isaaq.

Adeer wadankan Somaliland Isaaq baa dhiig iyo nafba u huray, Doofar Ismaciil oo shalay Afweyne iyo Kacaankii ku hoos gabanayey la isu debcin maayo.

[Ozaki]

Ciise I think got 2

Dir 15% (isse 6%, GB 9%)
Harti 21% (Dh 15%, War 6%)
Tumal 3%
Isaaq 58% to 60%

A more equitable sharing would be:

Isaaq 29 (65%)
Ciise 4 (9%) (this was back then, they have since moved to Djibouti)
Gadabursi 3 (7%)
Dhulos 7 (16%)
Warsans 1 (2%)

[X.Playa]

why do you divide warsangali an dhulos and put the entire isaaq and gedabursi as as sub clan? Who needs enemies when you have isaaq fools.?

I am h.y and am more then dhulos , warsangal and gedabursi don't disrespect isaaq again by equating large clans with faqash sub clans.

[Ozaki]

Isaaq 29 (65%)
Dir 7 (16%)
Harti 8 (18%)

I just did the calculation from SL population survey of the 50s. Listing all 8 Isaaq divisions was too cumbersome and would not have added to the point as the total remains the same (65-70%).

[Ozaki]

And you are correct, Garxajis equal Dhulos + Warsans + Gadabursi combined in numbers.

[waayeel101]

Isaaq waa baaldi futada ka daloola. How many times they were told the so called usp party didn't contest the election. Only snl and nuf did run .

Read Douglas Hall " Somaliland last year" Douglas Hall was the British governor he monitored the elections, 83k voted, 50k for snl and 30k for nuf,
zero vote for the fake party usp.


Snl won 22 mps and nuf 11 mps . Cigaal robbed nuf of 10 mps from nuf and gave 3 from his snl to the none saaqs of usp. Usp basically functioned as junior partner of snl but they didn't contest in the election.


Now please for the last time stop propagating dhulbahante/gedabursi fake narrative of usp.

kalay Buddhism-ku qabyalada kamay tirtirin?

Btw wax democratic elections la yidha weliged kamay dhicin dhul somaliyed.
It's sad thing to see young educated people and grow up in the west yet they thing democracy is putting papers in boxes.

[PrinceNugaalHawd]

Cuqdada waxaan Aay dilootay Ilaah Haa Iidi caafiyo. Amiin

Isaaq had 20

Habar awal 7 (Sacad Muse 3, other 1, Cise Muse 3)
Garxajis 7 (HY 6, CG 1)
Arap 1
HJ 5

[theyuusuf143]

Ciise I think got 2

Dir 15% (isse 6%, GB 9%)
Harti 21% (Dh 15%, War 6%)
Tumal 3%
Isaaq 58% to 60%

Yeah 2 is oki, ciise population in Somaliland has been disappearing since the late 18 century. Now they can hardly get 3 MPs. There should be a national plan to boost Ciise population in Western Somaliland.

[PrinceNugaalHawd]

Ciise I think got 2

Dir 15% (isse 6%, GB 9%)
Harti 21% (Dh 15%, War 6%)
Tumal 3%
Isaaq 58% to 60%

Yeah 2 is oki, ciise population in Somaliland has been disappearing since the late 18 century. Now they can hardly get 3 MPs. There should be a national plan to boost Ciise population in Western Somaliland.

I know they should come back and invest in their land. Djibouti Ciise dhan ma deeqdo.

[theyuusuf143]

Ciise I think got 2

Dir 15% (isse 6%, GB 9%)
Harti 21% (Dh 15%, War 6%)
Tumal 3%
Isaaq 58% to 60%

Yeah 2 is oki, ciise population in Somaliland has been disappearing since the late 18 century. Now they can hardly get 3 MPs. There should be a national plan to boost Ciise population in Western Somaliland.

I know they should come back and invest in their land. Djibouti Ciise dhan ma deeqdo.

And it's good for our national integrity as well. Gadabuursi are going to be problematic if they occupy the whole region. Multiclanism decreases clan power and insures government rule. Both berbera city and awdal region demographics should be changed next 10 years .

[AGENT447]

Yeah 2 is oki, ciise population in Somaliland has been disappearing since the late 18 century. Now they can hardly get 3 MPs. There should be a national plan to boost Ciise population in Western Somaliland.

I know they should come back and invest in their land. Djibouti Ciise dhan ma deeqdo.

And it's good for our national integrity as well. Gadabuursi are going to be problematic if they occupy the whole region. Multiclanism decreases clan power and insures government rule. Both berbera city and awdal region demographics should be changed next 10 years .

Waar bal labadan fini-xaar eega ee isku camiraya sidii laba fidhiqoyin oo buqdii Hargeisa jooga, or should I say Carte Dee in D-booty



@Prince Nugaal, sxb how about you rehabilitate and resettle your Dhulbahante&qaldaan Harti refugees in Dhadhaab who have been cleansed out of their only urban centers and to an extend their regions, instead of acting like a clueless dhiidh-laba shid lay ah bitch for those ciise waraabe and ciyaal kacaan vermins? They should come back ya know
I can categorically and confidently say to you right here right now in 2016, that there is not a single inch of land, tuulo, town and city where Gadabursi have lost to or let those phantom Bantu hashamite Ciise and Isaaq encroach upon, can you honestly say the same about your people/ Honest to f-king God man?..... Indulge me please


@Yusuf baan shegaayaa, waar ayaydaadii baakhadnimada kugu soo korisay wase, do you even know the definition of "Integrity"?
How do you utter the word "Integrity" and in the same breath say something as inan-gumeednimo, morally retarded and provocative as " Gadabursi are going to be problematic if they occupy the whole region" Explain yoormadafaking-self sxb?

Get this through your retarded, xabashi dry-gin, mirqaan ridden thick head of urs Yusuf, Awdal is 160% occupied and owned by the Awdlite AWLIYADA. Politically, economically, socially , demographically as well as erm culturally, just like for the last 500 years as well as the next 5 centuries! Xataa dhinaca diinta unuka uunaa ka dacwayna/khudbadayna/xadiisna and none of that zomali wahabi fanaticism and blood smith cartel alshabaab philosophy is ever tolerated, you eastern communist shuuci Irhaabi bastard. Walaahi fariid-nimadaada iyo nacasnimadu waa laba aan is qaban!

[Siciid85]

Musa,

you called it that, it is not appeasing, when you give other people fair share of the pie.

You want Isaaq dominated Somaliland ? Stop claiming other clans then.

Can't have it both ways

it is appeasement, that is the only way to describe it. u know aswell as i do that if the darafs were serious and patriotic then everything would be kosher. somaliland is a democracy nobody claims the darafs they can move out of the country if they choose to but the land will remain to be claim by us
dude you saw how cali warancade's position was given to a dhulo, the darafs do get their share of the pie you are just appeasing them

good luck with that. For Somaliland to have legitimacy, we need Harti onboard as well as GB and Ciise. The way you do that is not by alianting them but to bring them along using diplomatic channels. This hardline thinking of either you are with us or move out is rather amateur and can only work in Virtual world. The truth is Harti have large of swath of degaan within Somaliland and you cannot simplily tell them to pack and leave.

Xildiid,

While it is true that Isaaq sacrificed and are spearheading Somaliland,we must still excerise greater thinking. If anything has been found true is that Isaaq cannot forcibly persuade Harti to join and become part and parcel of SL, the only other option is to use soft approach and not make inflammatory comments that drive people away.

My two taano