Somaliland needs to work with the South

[barbarossa]

Time for Wanlaweyn and Somalilayn to renew their original wedding vows of 'till gaajo do us part'.

[Siciid85]

somalia does not acknowledge somaliland as its equal. therefore it holds hostile intentions towards somaliland.

somaliland must not and can not work with somalia. infact somaliland should go out its way to sabotage the development of somalia

its a state of war as much as most people like to turn their eyes from it. just 2 days ago the federal government of somalia raped somaliland's territorial integrity by sending one of its officials to taleex and indoctrinating the local somalilanders there

we have yet to see a response from the corrupt kulmiye party to this invasion of our nation

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtG09GOkMOs

Now you see what I meant. If the Dhulos in taleex decide to wave the blue flag, they will wave the blue flag and nothing you can do but watch the YouTube clips as you moan and bitch.

However if you we were to get their support, they would be waving the SL flag.

That is the reality

[Musa26]

siciid

You and the other soft isaaqs have one thing in comman, You all booty shake for treacherous scum

i dont bitch i call it how i see it. their is no way this appeasement will pay off we have given them since the burco conference of the 90's to come to the table and contribute to qaranka

somalia is getting back on its feet and it will use all fifth column elements with in SL to destabilize us or strong arm us to come to the negotiating table and here we have landers crying for co-operation with somalia

you want developement and access to international institutions? then work towards the recognition program ! there is no substitute for it

[HappyRasta]

I think Somaliland should practice realpolitik and leave idealism/Principles aside and deal with the situation.

We want something and will have to do something to get it.

Let's abuse that bitc** Somalia.She's a cracker every one is abusing her (Kenya/Turkey/Ethiopia), why not ???

[Futurist]

All Somalis need to work together at least in areas they can see things bit more clear.

Naturally our nomads work together better.

As you know there is an ongoing drought and our nomads are moving freely across the Somali Peninsula to find aome water and pasture.

My own camels are with Ogaden in south Wardheer even though the rain wasn't great there either.

My neighbors have crossed over to HG/Sacad regions near Muduf-Kilil borders.

Lots of people from Togdheer to Sanaag have made their way to Awdal.

All these are signs we are not as self hating as kids online may portray.

There is hope guys.

You two seem the few people who are capable of seeing beyond the emotions to recognise where Somaliland's interests lie. The reality is that Somaliland hasn't developed its economy, military, infrastructure in the past 25 years as much as it could have. It has a functioning government but because it lacks international recognition its locked out of international trade, politics, financial system, travel and diplomatic channels. Somalia on the other hand lacks a functioning government but it has access to international trade, politics, financial systems, travel and diplomatic channels.

All I'm saying is that Somaliland should get access to these channels by arguing for central bank to be located in Hargeisa, Foreign Ministry to be located in Hargeisa, Aviation offices to be located in Hargeisa. It doesn't have to give up its claim to independence. But Somaliland's resources are being consumed in Mogadishu, including revenue from air traffic control, international development assistance and Somali assets that were funded with SL taxpayers money.

Somaliland businesses cannot even make international payments because they do not have access to the international financial system.

[Futurist]

As if there's something to even consider working with in the south

Somaliland should lobby the Somali government in Mogadishu to locate the Somali Central Bank, Somali Aviation Authority and Somali Foreign Office in Hargeisa - with the explicit understanding that Somailland is not dropping its independence, but that it will provide greater support and legitimacy to the Somali Federal Government. Somaliland should also lobby foreign governments with an embassy on Mogadishu to open a consulate in Hargeisa to establish international diplomatic links.

lol whos crazy to give up the FM so you can get recognition but i dont mind the bank since qaldaans r good managers than good politicians. im sure there would have been money today

Sometimes you have to think outside the box to achieve what you want.

Somaliland needs to develop a dual-track approach in the next 25 years if it is to develop and get out of this economic rut. The dual track development policy needs to focus on leveraging greater economic and political power inside south Somalia, whilst continuing to pursue Somaliland recognition and development.

nearly agree with you on this. instead of moving the FM to there you may have indirect influence on who will fill the so called "dirta waqooyi positions". nowadays its not like when there was fozia who was eliminating the non isaaq notherners. the current FM is "northest" and he supports awdal and USP group being part ofthe negotiations as notherners. another case is how they banned the kenyan khat bc of SL....so think would have been much easier for you had you influence in there

i dont support institutional and political integration between north and south before any political settlement....we r much behind and you should continue BUT you need a reality check

while koonfur is busy with its clan-based federalism that could could affect you some day+instability you can bring new stuff to the negotiation table like a nothern self-governance exactly like zanzibar so we will have to governments. that means your not part of the federal govt/regions

once you sign this it will be an interonationally recognized treaty and also by the koonfur constitution, therefore, you have secured the former british somaliland borders

then think about the next stage of becoming an independent country like the iraqi kurdistan is doing now....this depends on the change of circumstances like the security, international and economical interests

instead of coming up each time with ictiraaf and final issues at each negotiations, come up with a pragmatic approach to get your share of developmental projects. bring to the table whats necessary for you like the berbera corridor, foreign scholarship via hargeysa-based consulates and missions

New deals SL speacial arrangements was based on this
http://www.somaliland-mission.com/index ... rrangement

lastly SL politicians/media should avoid involving in koonfur clan and anti-stability issues to create a cooperative atmosphere bc mogadishu is the gate for all this.

Sahal you can't have your cake and eat it too. If you want Somaliland to be a functioning part of Somalia you have to make some concessions. It cannot be that all power is concentrated in Mogadishu. This will not be acceptable to Somalilanders. The Central Bank, Foreign Office and Finance Ministry and Aviation Office need to be located in Hargeisa. A significant number of the other offices should be in Garowe to reflect the progress and stability of Puntland, such as the ministry of Defence and Prime Minster's Office, or even Foreign Office or Aviation Office. South Somalia politicians are greedy creatures - they want to have everything, funding, control, but they are capable of nothing. Yet they still want to claim the whole country. Ama wadanka dadka la qaybsada, ama waa la kala tegi, maahan?

[Futurist]

The way I see it the Central Bank and Foreign Ministry would be in Hargeisa, as tools to facilitate trade with the whole world. To increase development across the whole country.

The Defence, Prime Minister's Office and Aviation Office could be in Garowe to improve security from Garowe Southwards and to control the Somali skies.

This would be proper power sharing.

[Xildiiid]

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You're delusional.

[burcaawi14]

As if there's something to even consider working with in the south

This kind of highly emotional, irrational, illogical thinking keeps Somaliland behind. Do you not realise that millions of Somalilanders are suffering as a result? They're unable to trade with the rest of the world, unable to travel, unable to access education or healthcare internationally, unable to access international payment systems or credit facilities. Do you not care about their wellbeing or development? Do you even realise that you cannot make a payment internationally if you are a business owner in Somaliland? How do you expect them to trade?

Somaliland should lobby the Somali government in Mogadishu to locate the Somali Central Bank, Somali Aviation Authority and Somali Foreign Office in Hargeisa - with the explicit understanding that Somailland is not dropping its independence, but that it will provide greater support and legitimacy to the Somali Federal Government. Somaliland should also lobby foreign governments with an embassy on Mogadishu to open a consulate in Hargeisa to establish international diplomatic links.

How's my rhetorical question emotional? Xamar isn't even secure and Somalias states are declaring war on each other(PL & GM). What you stated about he aviation authority, maybe you're not aware but during the Somalia SL talks, Somalia failed to uphold the aforementioned agreement. This discouraged any future talks with our neighbors who'd rather set themselves and us ablaze. You're kind of Naivety is what got SL into this mess back in the 60s.

[Siciid85]

siciid

You and the other soft isaaqs have one thing in comman, You all booty shake for treacherous scum

i dont bitch i call it how i see it. their is no way this appeasement will pay off we have given them since the burco conference of the 90's to come to the table and contribute to qaranka

somalia is getting back on its feet and it will use all fifth column elements with in SL to destabilize us or strong arm us to come to the negotiating table and here we have landers crying for co-operation with somalia

you want developement and access to international institutions? then work towards the recognition program ! there is no substitute for it

Bla bla bla recognition bla bla what a bore

[mahoka]

Hy are unionists other then xplaya

[Musa26]

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[Musa26]

DP

[JSL3000]

As if there's something to even consider working with in the south

exactly future living in a bubble boy.

[mahadalla]

Waxa layiri talo isuma kaa sheegto.

islaan la oran jiray Cambaro ayaa odaygeedii damacday in ay furiin waydiisato, markaas ayaa waxaa la yiri naa odayga si uu kuu naco indhaha faraha kagali, markaas ayey caay iyo habaar iyo hadalxumo isugu dartay Odaygii,

Odaygii ayaa inta xanaaqay dantiisa ka raacday.

Cambaro odaygiina seeg furiina mahaydo, arrinkuna Ku sii cuslaa, talo seegtay inta ay oran lahayd walaal gacaliye nakala fur, ayey Odaygii muftaaxa furiinka labadiisa dibnood kujireen ayey sanka la raacday, iyo gafuurka oo ay u taagto.

Hada habar cambaro waa Somaliland odayguna wacadala Somalia maahane waa Hawiye ogow, intaad xamar caay iyo habaar ku wadaa, furiin iyo ictiraaf geed dheer kaa fuul.