can somalis ever trust each other again?

[Xildiiid]

PerfectOrder,

You can't hide your hypocrisy I suppose.

We were not part of your civil war. We fought a brutal dictatorship that used State Terrorism, a dictatorship that went so far that it hired racist Rhodesian mercenaries that leveled our cities and targeted our women and children. SNM redeclared the independence of SL in 1991 which is the year the civil war started in Zoomalia.

On the contrary, Hawiye and Darood fought a civil war post 91 over power. Hawiye and Darood raped, murdered, pillaged neighboring clans such as Raxanweyn, Barwani and the Somali Bantu. The civil war is actually ongoing in Zoomalia because Hawiye and Darood have monopolized power, they subjugate other clans, in some cases using foreign troops to their advantage which lead to the rise of AS and the widespread support for this organization in the interriverine area.

To this very day, Darood and Hawiye abuse and steal farm lands from smaller clans in 'Jubbaland', Lower Shabelle, Middle Shabelle and Hiiraan. It's only Darood and Hawiye that talk about moving on from the civil war and the atrocities committed because they want to hide their crimes against humanity but don't include us in your civil war.

[abodu]

You just pulled a Caldoon right there. Umada af soomaliga ku hadasha


Somalis??? Broad generalisation. Be more specific sxb

[Strategic]

except the iidoofars.

[SultanOrder]

PerfectOrder,

You can't hide your hypocrisy I suppose.

We were not part of your civil war. We fought a brutal dictatorship that used State Terrorism, a dictatorship that went so far that it hired racist Rhodesian mercenaries that leveled our cities and targeted our women and children. SNM redeclared the independence of SL in 1991 which is the year the civil war started in Zoomalia.

On the contrary, Hawiye and Darood fought a civil war post 91 over power. Hawiye and Darood raped, murdered, pillaged neighboring clans such as Raxanweyn, Barwani and the Somali Bantu. The civil war is actually ongoing in Zoomalia because Hawiye and Darood have monopolized power, they subjugate other clans, in some cases using foreign troops to their advantage which lead to the rise of AS and the widespread support for this organization in the interriverine area.

To this very day, Darood and Hawiye abuse and steal farm lands from smaller clans in 'Jubbaland', Lower Shabelle, Middle Shabelle and Hiiraan. It's only Darood and Hawiye that talk about moving on from the civil war and the atrocities committed because they want to hide their crimes against humanity but don't include us in your civil war.

No doubt there are a lot of issues. But it is a very diverse and complex situation in the south. Nevertheless Isaaq are still stuck on 91.

[Strategic]

PerfectOrder,

You can't hide your hypocrisy I suppose.

We were not part of your civil war. We fought a brutal dictatorship that used State Terrorism, a dictatorship that went so far that it hired racist Rhodesian mercenaries that leveled our cities and targeted our women and children. SNM redeclared the independence of SL in 1991 which is the year the civil war started in Zoomalia.

On the contrary, Hawiye and Darood fought a civil war post 91 over power. Hawiye and Darood raped, murdered, pillaged neighboring clans such as Raxanweyn, Barwani and the Somali Bantu. The civil war is actually ongoing in Zoomalia because Hawiye and Darood have monopolized power, they subjugate other clans, in some cases using foreign troops to their advantage which lead to the rise of AS and the widespread support for this organization in the interriverine area.

To this very day, Darood and Hawiye abuse and steal farm lands from smaller clans in 'Jubbaland', Lower Shabelle, Middle Shabelle and Hiiraan. It's only Darood and Hawiye that talk about moving on from the civil war and the atrocities committed because they want to hide their crimes against humanity but don't include us in your civil war.

what a load o crap,how can one steal his own land? there is a reason idoor is stuck in the past because the whole idea of somalia waa in lagu gumeesto marka daarood baa idin wasi marna hawiye baa idin wasi marna amharo u sujuuda.

[X.Playa]

You actually trusted someone the only person I trust is my mum other than that i ain't telling you shit all you get is the side eye

Beenta jooji you don't trust your mom too. Example let's in a hotel we had a rough hit one night stand ma habartaad u sheegaysaa X.Playa baanu is cunay

[PanSomaliNationalist]

everyone except for Isaaq. They're mentally ill and would openly join Ethiopia

[MujahidAishah]

You actually trusted someone the only person I trust is my mum other than that i ain't telling you shit all you get is the side eye

Beenta jooji you don't trust your mom too. Example let's in a hotel we had a rough hit one night stand ma habartaad u sheegaysaa X.Playa baanu is cunay

Awoowo buugta dhaaf all thing you can hit is the Canadian goose

[X.Playa]

Ayeeyo i am sure both of you the bed and you would squeak.

[mahoka]

Ayeeyo i am sure both of you the bed and you would squeak.

[Xildiiid]

PerfectOrder,

We're not stuck in 91 but 1960 and we won't stop until we regain our sovereignty.

Strategic,

You steal land from Biimaal, Somali Bantu, Raxanweyn and other minority clans.

Tuug baad tahay, xaaraan lagu dhalay laguna soo koriyey.

[NoAngst]

This is a loaded question because it presumes the problem between Somalis is mistrust. I don't think mistrust was ever the problem. It's the lack of fairness, justice and the rule of law. These cultural deficits of Somalis as a people and political upheavals only bring them to the fore not create them.

[Phinks]

Yes.

Absolutely.

Unequivocally so.

All wounds heal with time. Just look at Germany and Japan. Alxamdullahi the immoral and malevolent tendrils of qabilism have not constricted my heart. Alxamdullahi I've had the opportunity to meet and love Somalis hailing from all the minor and major clans. I've forged friendships with men who I would happily die for.

Back to the topic at hand.

We all know what happened in the civil war. The one thing that really amazes me is the sheer dishonesty of everyone trying to make sense of things. Why is it that one person who points out the misgivings or particular errors of one clan somehow turns a blind eye to the transgressions of their own? And I'm not pointing out or specifying any clan here. Its seems we all do this regardless of which side is trying to make a point.

As others on this forum may know, I am darood. And I can completely say with a straight face that whatever has transpired between us and the hawiye, I have nothing but love for them all and bear them no ill will. Everything that happened in the civil war is not a reflection of most Somalis who are generally speaking for the most part, good people.

Sadly, It seems that our Isaaq brothers and sisters are labouring under the delusion that Siad Barre's regime enacted a policy of "ethnic genocide" of their clan when nothing could be further from the truth. The very fact that they (some: not all) call it genocide is just one of the dishonest things I'm referring to from above.

The reason why Barre destroyed hargeisa is because the Ethiopian supported Somali National Movement - the rebel group comprised of mainly members of the Isaaq clan - stormed and acquired hargeisa. Siad barre upon learning this, released all manners of hell upon innocent civilians. Certainly the death toll cannot be exaggerated and I do grieve with the Isaaq on this. But to say that Siad Barre's actions show that he was attempting ethnic genocide of the Isaaq is tantamount to deceit and dishonesty.

What makes it really sad, tragic and also disheartening is that the basis and foundation of their argument to secede from our beloved Republic comes down to "we were colonised by the British!" as if a bunch of old pig-skinned racist gaal imbeciles signing a mere paper from continental Europe can dictate and forge the destiny of my people, the great Somali race. After hundreds of centuries of living together as members of the Islamic ummah, of rallying together against the amxaara and Oromo hordes, after being through everything together (the good and bad), you're going to let this ruin our legacy? I can vividly imagine our Noble Isaaq ancestors turning in their graves.



Anyways I'm done arguing against the somaliland case. There comes a limit when one is trying to save another from committing a mistake but you can't make a horse drink water but only guide it to the hole. If that's what they want, it is what it is. However, any land inhabited by darood populations in the former British protectorate must have a referendum, if they wish to join then let it be. If not, then you must rescind your territorial claims then hopefully you'll get the ictiraaf you've been dreaming about for so long. End of the day, I just want everyone to be happy and move on.


Somalia haa no laato
Viva somaliland :

[Nolol cusub]

Cigaal, I have been asking myself this same question many times. My conclusion is this;
- If we mean political trust not in decades to come. The damage is irepareable
- Trust between individuals; Gone. We have become morally decayed. A materialistic society (where is Marx?) who have become dishonest, deceitful and lost their compass. Notice the way Hagbad/ayuuto and Xawaalas have survived (money).

Read prophet Jaalle Marx's take on money.

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/w ... /power.htm

I personally don't trust Daarodka, Hawiyaha, Habargidirta, iyo Sacadka(my folks belonging to the latter group) . Isaaqs are alright(little superiority complex but honest people).

Soomaalidu waxay tiraahdaa: Tol nin u taliyay iyo nin tuugsaday baa yaqaan"



Agree,

Politics: kooxkastoo oo soomaaliyeed guryahooda halagu hayo intay wax ka baranayaan kana caqliyeeysanayaan: regional administrations, local control,self government, local elections, let's learn how to take care of ourselves, make a living honestly in our own regions, educate millions of millions of children.


The hope

I have been studying suugaanta Soomaaliyeed, and one thing I noticed is how Somali people, particularly reer miyaga were astute observant of their environment. They mastered every aspect of it and they have survived it for centuries. Too bad this discerning eye has deserted us when moved to the cities.

Go anywhere in Africa and see if you can find something as sophisticated as Suugaanta Soomaaliyeed. Nope. We are still the same people with same genes. Now, all we need to do is to start observing the multi layered complexities and nuances of urban life, economic life, political life, technological know how and find what unites all morally, legally, and politically.


We could do more to invest. This is a perfect example:

[KingMX]

Alot of ppl want Somalis divided incl our neighbours. Somalis are too dumb to see that...