Could this be sultan Deria Hassan of the Ciidagale or sultan Deria Askar of the H.Awal .

[kanadiid90]

is this him? they kinda look the same from sideway

[Ben Dover]

Doodiba ma jirto . He was not. Maxamud Cali Shire oo curyaan ahaa ( he was shot in the butt by some h.j making him lame permanently) wasn't a sultan of any significance .

This is true, The Warsangeli chief Maxmuud Cali shire was shot and made permanently lame by some HJ, it was punishment for attempting to loot in Sanaag.

The wheelchair Sultan

Kanadiid, great photo, where is it from?

[X.Playa]

is this him? they kinda look the same from sideway

Sultan Cabdirxamaan Diiriye Garaad is the son of Sultan Diiriye Garaad. Diiriye Garaad began his career when his elder brother Garaad Askar provided around 200 habar awal horsemen to punish the mullah who raided habar awal tribesmen in Ethiopia in 1900 killing women and children. Diiriye was in the habar awal tribal horses he fought in the first three expeditions in the first two he had his sweet revenge decimating the Dhulbahante collaborators in particular the first battle Afbakayle he attained the rank of Havalider when Garaad Askar died he inherited the sultanate and took the title of a sultan instead of Garaad he died around 1946-1947. Then his son cabdirxamaan the above pictured became a sultan throughout somalilnds campaign for independence Cabdiraxmaan worked with sultan Cabdilahi of tge ciidagale, Michael Mariano and Dube Cali Yare and went as far as N.Y and London pleading the somali case.

Sultan Cabdilaahi died in 1964 the death of sultan cabdiraxman i can't tell.

[Ben Dover]

Sultan Cabdiraxman (age 45) and Sultan Cabdilahi (age 57) in London:

[X.Playa]

Thats Cabdiraxman and Cabdilahi. But i doubt it if Cabdilahi was only 57 in that picture. He married the daughter of Risaldar Muuse Xaaji Faarax Igire in 1907 in Berbera. That would have made him 18-19-20. The wedding is covered in the book by Francis Swayne " a woman's pleasure trip to Somaliland " .

[X.Playa]

Thats Garaad Askar in the middle elder brother of Diiriye. Picture taken in 1897.

But Askar isn't the ancestor of todays sultan its Diiriye.

[X.Playa]

According to this book:

British Somaliland: An Administrative History, 1920-1960 By Brock Millman.

Sultan Cabdilahi was the SNL Secretary General.

[theyuusuf143]

Doodiba ma jirto . He was not. Maxamud Cali Shire oo curyaan ahaa ( he was shot in the butt by some h.j making him lame permanently) wasn't a sultan of any significance .

This is true, The Warsangeli chief Maxmuud Cali shire was shot and made permanently lame by some HJ, it was punishment for attempting to loot in Sanaag.

The wheelchair Sultan

Kanadiid, great photo, where is it from?

X. Playa
I wasn't talking about maxamuud cali shire himself, waxan ku waydiinayey saldanadee ugu fac weyn Somaliland? Warsangeliga iyo dhulbahantuhu 15-20 garaad iyo suldaan oo isdhaldhalay ilaa garaad shirshoore Bay tiriyaan , habarjeclo traditional leadership fac weyn maleh ilaa imikadaana hogaamiye dhaqameedku door weyn kuma laha arimahayaga , habar yonis na saldanadada xirsi amaan baa malaa ugu fac weyn , markaa I think ciidagale sultanate inay ugu fac weyn tahay isaaqa, taas baan is lahaa wax haakaga bidhiiqiyo macalinku, you know anigu dee historian ma ahi cashar kaad ii dhigto uunbaan siday tahay ugu camal falaa. Maalin dhawayd mid dhulbahante ah sidaan taariikhda daraawiishta ugu derdrery waa la yaabay. Billad baad igu toli lahayd. Kkkkk

[kanadiid90]

Thats Garaad Askar in the middle elder brother of Diiriye. Picture taken in 1897.

But Askar isn't the ancestor of todays sultan its Diiriye.

I always thought those guys were cidagalle not H awal, is it from the book you mentioned earlier?

thanks for the info btw

Ben,

sxb this pic was roaming the internet and last year I found the book it belonged to however when I tired to search for it now I just couldnt find it. sry man

[X.Playa]

Doodiba ma jirto . He was not. Maxamud Cali Shire oo curyaan ahaa ( he was shot in the butt by some h.j making him lame permanently) wasn't a sultan of any significance .

This is true, The Warsangeli chief Maxmuud Cali shire was shot and made permanently lame by some HJ, it was punishment for attempting to loot in Sanaag.

The wheelchair Sultan

Kanadiid, great photo, where is it from?

X. Playa
I wasn't talking about maxamuud cali shire himself, waxan ku waydiinayey saldanadee ugu fac weyn Somaliland? Warsangeliga iyo dhulbahantuhu 15-20 garaad iyo suldaan oo isdhaldhalay ilaa garaad shirshoore Bay tiriyaan , habarjeclo traditional leadership fac weyn maleh ilaa imikadaana hogaamiye dhaqameedku door weyn kuma laha arimahayaga , habar yonis na saldanadada xirsi amaan baa malaa ugu fac weyn , markaa I think ciidagale sultanate inay ugu fac weyn tahay isaaqa, taas baan is lahaa wax haakaga bidhiiqiyo macalinku, you know anigu dee historian ma ahi cashar kaad ii dhigto uunbaan siday tahay ugu camal falaa. Maalin dhawayd mid dhulbahante ah sidaan taariikhda daraawiishta ugu derdrery waa la yaabay. Billad baad igu toli lahayd. Kkkkk

Lool madaxa ka tun haday kuula yimaadaan ismaciil mire iyo ciyaal u soo saaray Aw Jaamac.

Sidaad moodaysid maaha. The modern sultanate of all somali tribes are more or less 200 years. The older ones line are extinct like Dhuux Baraar or Garaad Axmed Geri in the Futtux Al Xabasha.

Example the Majeerteen sultanates began in early 1800 , first chief Maxamud came as a sultan in 1809 a contemporary of Sultan Diir Sugulle ( Xirsi Amaan Diiriye Sugulle is the grand son of Diiriiye ) and also Guuleed the first ciidagale sultan was about the same time . Diiriyes father Sugulle declared himself a sultan around 1790s but there was no consensus among the h.y ( read Drake Brockman British Somaliland). As far as i can tell the habar awal Garaad-ship is not much younger then either h.y or Ciidagale. In 1892 Garaad Cabdalle Garaad Boon was in his 70s we can reasonably assume his father Garaad Boon was as old as Diiriiye or Guuleed.

The problem with Warsangali and Dhulbahante is they made the sultanates more like abtirisi by adding the title of garaad to every ancestor of the moden chief. Some of them insanely claim the title for Shirshoore looool as Garaad oo yuu garaad u ahaa ee noolaaba. If you look at the warsangali fake Wikipedia sultanate they claim a sultan who lived when sheekh isxaaq lived in the 1300s lool are you fucken kidding me daarood ismaaciil jabarti the man they claim as founder wasn't even born. Its like me claiming Garaad Garxajis as the Garaad of Garaxjis oo ma ciyaalkiisa iyo habartu garaad u ahaa?

[X.Playa]

Thats Garaad Askar in the middle elder brother of Diiriye. Picture taken in 1897.

But Askar isn't the ancestor of todays sultan its Diiriye.

I always thought those guys were cidagalle not H awal, is it from the book you mentioned earlier?

thanks for the info btw

Ben,

sxb this pic was roaming the internet and last year I found the book it belonged to however when I tired to search for it now I just couldnt find it. sry man

It was from an illustrated sporting magazine issue of either 1896 or 1897.

No he is the habar awal cheif then. The ciidagale sultan was camera shy despite his over 60 years of reign happened during the British years there is only one picture of him in hargaisa walking with few horsemen in 1916.