The CIA's Clan Demographics Map During Barre Regime

[Museyusuf]

Where these mysterious Daarood city are located? There is not a single Daarood city in the entire somali peninsula. What you mean is towns and villages. The largest 4 somali cities two of them are isaaq loool.

Why do you Daarood always come up with the most fucked up unsubstantiated load of manure.

2 out of the 4 port cities in somalia are owned and runned by darood. jigjiga is darood city, qabri bayah is darood city, bosaaso is darood city, Garoowe a darood city, galkacyo darood city lascaanood darood city, kismaayo darood city, garissa darood city so how long shall i contine. now you tell me any idoor city beside the triangle of BBH

Largest Somali cities

1- Mogadishu
2- hargeisa
3- djabouti
4-burco

As you can see no darod city, you don't have a city but a villages and towns at best

Isaaq lives in 3 out of 4 largest Somali cities. 2 of those cities we make up complete majority Hargeisa and Burco. Djibouti we come second only to Ciise but run all the business.

[Museyusuf]

I am absolutely certain the whole mudug is correct, the MX occupied Gelinsoor but were expelled and the MJ we much further North technically outside were they are today, but encouraged after Barre regime fell and took over government buildings.

But the most interesting part is J/land during Barre regime, it was mostly Isaaq, but also DIR, D&M & Hawiye. I remember my grand father telling me this before he passed away, but it seemed too hard to believe at that time.

Interesting the CIA sometimes groups Isaaq under DIR but in J/land it made the distinction, this is how the CIA with their 1000 bases and wide intelligence apparatus viewed Somalia's clan demographics.

Makes sense in J/land, the neighbouring MX moved in after, while the D&M some stayed others went North, and the Isaaq's migrated to Kenya, typical Somali Nomads, colonial documents showed MX as settling there along with O.G, surprised both groups were not there during Barre's regime.

This should put to bed the theory of "Qabilkaan ba dhulkaan leh" myth, much of the southern clan's founders are buried in Sanaag/Togdheere, were most Somali's lived at that time.

During the kacan times SB lifted a lot of people from the north into jubuland. Majority of them where Isaaq as we do make up the majority of the north.

Most of these people there were nomads. But the government leased them farm land and showed them how to farm. The parents would do the farming while the kids attended school.
Most people came back after it rained up north. They did not find it comfortable and were not used to farming. I had an uncle that come back straight away.
However a lot of people stayed behind a large population of Isaaq. After the war most of them fled. Some went to Kenya, some went back to the north and others left for the west.

[X.Playa]

There were no Isaaq resettled in Jubooyinka get your information right. They were settled in the Shabeele close to the coast of Marka and Baraawe and the government did not give them farms they were told to learn how to fish the once that were given farms were the Dhulbahante.

[Sharmarke91]

The Darod are the largest Somali tribe, making over 60% of the populous in the Somali peninsula.

In Somalia, the Darod are the largest tribe and Hawiye comes second fellowed by Rahweyn. The Idoor clan come 4th.

The latest population estimate by the UNPA confirms this.
Darod - 3.6 Mil
Hawiye - 3.0 Mil
Rahweyn - 2.5 Mil
Isaaq - 2.2 Mil

The Isaaq and the Northern Harti clans are about equal in size.
Isaaq - 2,138,000
Harti - 2,154,000

[original dervish]

Dhulbahante alone are around one million strong.......so these estimates make sense.

[X.Playa]

The Darod are the largest Somali tribe, making over 60% of the populous in the Somali peninsula.

In Somalia, the Darod are the largest tribe and Hawiye comes second fellowed by Rahweyn. The Idoor clan come 4th.

The latest population estimate by the UNPA confirms this.
Darod - 3.6 Mil
Hawiye - 3.0 Mil
Rahweyn - 2.5 Mil
Isaaq - 2.2 Mil

The Isaaq and the Northern Harti clans are about equal in size.
Isaaq - 2,138,000
Harti - 2,154,000

Where did you fetch such important information? Let me guess from your anus. Where are these millions of Daarood live in your imagination? The bigest Daarood village has less then 50k people.

[Sharmarke91]

The Darod are the largest Somali tribe, making over 60% of the populous in the Somali peninsula.

In Somalia, the Darod are the largest tribe and Hawiye comes second fellowed by Rahweyn. The Idoor clan come 4th.

The latest population estimate by the UNPA confirms this.
Darod - 3.6 Mil
Hawiye - 3.0 Mil
Rahweyn - 2.5 Mil
Isaaq - 2.2 Mil

The Isaaq and the Northern Harti clans are about equal in size.
Isaaq - 2,138,000
Harti - 2,154,000

Where did you fetch such important information? Let me guess from your anus. Where are these millions of Daarood live in your imagination? The bigest Daarood village has less then 50k people.

UNFPA bitch!

embrace your langabnimo and respect your masters.

The Eydoor inhabit three towns Hargeisa, Burao and Berbera and every sub-clan of Eydoor has a presence in each.

The HY are the largest Isaaq sub-clan their biggest executive capital is the village of Odweyne LMAO.

HJ don't even have any notable place they exclusively inhabit.

HA baa logo qaatay, they have the little town of Arabsiyo.

In comparison, every Sub sub clan of the Darod has it's own city.

Just because were spread over vast lands don't make you equal or greater in numbers than the noble Darod clan.

We possess territory 30 times the size of the Eydoors triangle in Somalia.

[X.Playa]

Well where is the link son of a lactating qurjiile.

[smooth]

As to my kith Smooth please stop this calacaal be a doer not a moaner so be silent, besides rallying the disenfranchised dir isaaqs wont get you anywhere other than ridicule and contempt by them and others alike.

Hawiye the only Qabiil that suffers from Self-defeating personality disorder.

'History belongs to the victors, legends to the people, fantasy to literature' -- 'Whereof one cannot act, thereof one must be Silent'

War ninyahow were you sober when you typed this out? did you read the thread? Do you think I care about some dic-k measuring contests here? I hardly post on this site anymore moved to SSpot.

If you actually read the topic, I was inquiring about the CIA declassified documents and found this while reading upon Somalia, hence curious about Isaaq demographics in J/land during Barre Era, and how O.G/MX were strangely not there and was seeking more information on the topic.

While clearly attacking the myth "dhulkaan anaa leh" crap due to the constant demographic changes in Somalia because of nomadic life-style and rapid migrations, this thread has nothing to do with Qabiil or an attack on anyone, simply seeking info.

[HashIII]

There is a resource talking about how the Darood crossed the Jubba river and displaced the Oromo. The resource was written in 1913 and the Darood expansions happened as recently as 1842. There is no mention of any other Hawiyes or Isaaqs conquering these lands. If you want it I can upload it later and share a google drive link.

This is the title and stuff.

Jubaland and Its Inhabitants
F. Elliott
The Geographical Journal, Vol. 41, No. 6. (Jun., 1913), pp. 554-561.

[HashIII]

As to my kith Smooth please stop this calacaal be a doer not a moaner so be silent, besides rallying the disenfranchised dir isaaqs wont get you anywhere other than ridicule and contempt by them and others alike.

Hawiye the only Qabiil that suffers from Self-defeating personality disorder.

'History belongs to the victors, legends to the people, fantasy to literature' -- 'Whereof one cannot act, thereof one must be Silent'

War ninyahow were you sober when you typed this out? did you read the thread? Do you think I care about some dic-k measuring contests here? I hardly post on this site anymore moved to SSpot.

If you actually read the topic, I was inquiring about the CIA declassified documents and found this while reading upon Somalia, hence curious about Isaaq demographics in J/land during Barre Era, and how O.G/MX were strangely not there and was seeking more information on the topic.

While clearly attacking the myth "dhulkaan anaa leh" crap due to the constant demographic changes in Somalia because of nomadic life-style and rapid migrations, this thread has nothing to do with Qabiil or an attack on anyone, simply seeking info.

Smooth if you are asking about the Kacaan era populations you have to look at the mass resettlements in the late 70s from that bad drought. Many people were brought to permanently resettle in Jubbaland. Unsurpringly many left for their ancestral lands after a number of years. I have never seen any historical resources that point to any sizeable Isaaq populations in Jubbaland. If there ever was any significant Isaaq communities in Jubbaland they must have arrived in the height of the drought.

If you want pre colonial history of Jubaland I can share that later. The text pages and titles are in my previous post if you can't wait.

[smooth]

As to my kith Smooth please stop this calacaal be a doer not a moaner so be silent, besides rallying the disenfranchised dir isaaqs wont get you anywhere other than ridicule and contempt by them and others alike.

Hawiye the only Qabiil that suffers from Self-defeating personality disorder.

'History belongs to the victors, legends to the people, fantasy to literature' -- 'Whereof one cannot act, thereof one must be Silent'

War ninyahow were you sober when you typed this out? did you read the thread? Do you think I care about some dic-k measuring contests here? I hardly post on this site anymore moved to SSpot.

If you actually read the topic, I was inquiring about the CIA declassified documents and found this while reading upon Somalia, hence curious about Isaaq demographics in J/land during Barre Era, and how O.G/MX were strangely not there and was seeking more information on the topic.

While clearly attacking the myth "dhulkaan anaa leh" crap due to the constant demographic changes in Somalia because of nomadic life-style and rapid migrations, this thread has nothing to do with Qabiil or an attack on anyone, simply seeking info.

Smooth if you are asking about the Kacaan era populations you have to look at the mass resettlements in the late 70s from that bad drought. Many people were brought to permanently resettle in Jubbaland. Unsurpringly many left for their ancestral lands after a number of years. I have never seen any historical resources that point to any sizeable Isaaq populations in Jubbaland. If there ever was any significant Isaaq communities in Jubbaland they must have arrived in the height of the drought.

If you want pre colonial history of Jubaland I can share that later. The text pages and titles are in my previous post if you can't wait.

I know of that colonial post were MX/OG fractions were trying to use the British against each other. That CIA demographics map is dated 1966, so this is before the droughts and movements of the Isaaq populations to J/land by Barre.

Xplayer was pointing out that CIA in their declassified documents used M Lewis diagrams, which I have no time to verify and which he neither did, he maybe right, but it's best to assume he is a cuqdadist liar anyway more busy with ceeb- measuring contests then a discussion.

The demographic changes are rapid in Somalia, which you expect from Nomads, but I had no idea it was at such a fast pace if you only compare how much has changed since Barre's government particularly J/land and subsequently afterwards with JVA, then again with Madoobe etc.

There is a real fixation in that region for constant migration and resettlement's.

[Jabuutawi]

Somalis and their voodoo stats. Take these numbers with a pinch of salt.

These numbers are dated. Too old to be of any use. They were neither reliable then nor now. 7% Dir? Bullshit. It is even more laughable if they concluded 7% Dir for the entire Horn. Preposterous.

Even if we go by this infantile logic; 7% of 10 mill (conservatively speaking) are Dir, there are close to that many Dir in Awdal alone, much less in Shinile Zone, Dira Dhabe, Republic of Djibouti, Jigjiga Zone (Awbare), southern Ethiopia, and Somalia proper.

[HashIII]

There has been little change in the territories historically. Only after the civil war have we seen mass exodus of people in particular regions. For instance in galguduud Marehans would control a lot more territory if it wasn't for the mindless violence, violence that cannot be matched in all our history. In British Somaliland the Isaaq where able to capitalise on the British war against the Dervishes capturing Caynabo, a feat they would never be able to achieve alone. There are other lands too in the vicinity that they managed to lay claim on. Jubbaland is quite similar, with the only major changes happening when the Daroods took the land from the Galla and when the civil war erupted.

I know of two scenarios from hundreds of years ago where land has changed hands significantly between Somali clans. The people of maydh where known to be Hartis but now it is pure Isaaq territory. And Gaalkacyo, gaalkacyo was created by the Galaeri (Bicidyahan) in their wars against the Galla. Today they share the city with Cumar Maxmuud who are the majority and other Daroods, and HG who I am not sure when they arrived (>100years ago????). This is my argument against the argument that swaps are common and rapid.

Land ownership hasn't changed much historically. It only seems to have changed when foreigners came and when the civil war began.

[X.Playa]

There has been little change in the territories historically. Only after the civil war have we seen mass exodus of people in particular regions. For instance in galguduud Marehans would control a lot more territory if it wasn't for the mindless violence, violence that cannot be matched in all our history. In British Somaliland the Isaaq where able to capitalise on the British war against the Dervishes capturing Caynabo, a feat they would never be able to achieve alone. There are other lands too in the vicinity that they managed to lay claim on. Jubbaland is quite similar, with the only major changes happening when the Daroods took the land from the Galla and when the civil war erupted.

I know of two scenarios from hundreds of years ago where land has changed hands significantly between Somali clans. The people of maydh where known to be Hartis but now it is pure Isaaq territory. And Gaalkacyo, gaalkacyo was created by the Galaeri (Bicidyahan) in their wars against the Galla. Today they share the city with Cumar Maxmuud who are the majority and other Daroods, and HG who I am not sure when they arrived (>100years ago????). This is my argument against the argument that swaps are common and rapid.

Land ownership hasn't changed much historically. It only seems to have changed when foreigners came and when the civil war began.

All lies. You are a good peddler of lies why not open a small shop to sell it to your clans men?