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one mans villain is another mans hero. take is not a war criminal rather he is a war veteran and a national treasure.SuldaanOfSanaag wrote: Sun Apr 30, 2017 8:37 am I watch a documentary about siad barra generals on YouTube, A Canadian reporter from CBC was doing the investigation on them and on one part he was coming across people objecting to his investigation from supporters of tuke and others , I gathered they are his tol, but with this I see them been hypercritical becos one hand they saying we are pro unionist and we wish Somaliland to join Somalia on the other hand they denying the war crimes committed against them. Please explain this people
The documentary
original dervish wrote: Sun Apr 30, 2017 4:14 pm As always.....it must be Gospel if it came out of a white mans mouth.
Nonsense.Advo wrote: Tue May 02, 2017 4:25 pm Because of qabyaalad
No one thinks their guy is guilty of any crimes, he was defending the tol in their mind thus completely innocent of any wrong doings. Landers have welcomed their criminals with high posts and positions while they point the finger at other criminals from rival qabiils. Same with darood and hawiye.
Everyone is a victim but no one wants to admit their guilty.
It's just the way the cookie crumbles in Somalia
Walahay ninkan waan la yaaba! Are you serious sxb?Ben Dover wrote: Wed May 03, 2017 6:23 amNonsense.Advo wrote: Tue May 02, 2017 4:25 pm Because of qabyaalad
No one thinks their guy is guilty of any crimes, he was defending the tol in their mind thus completely innocent of any wrong doings. Landers have welcomed their criminals with high posts and positions while they point the finger at other criminals from rival qabiils. Same with darood and hawiye.
Everyone is a victim but no one wants to admit their guilty.
It's just the way the cookie crumbles in Somalia
You have been challenged a number of times to bring forth any evidence that Isaaq or SNM committed any atrocities. Not a single piece of evidence was brought up. Yet you continue to go on about claim it is all due to qabyaalad and 'everyone has criminals' which is pure nonsense.
Isaaqs were targeted and lost 200,000+ civilians. The criminals who have committed these atrocities are known. The evidence is abundant. The case against them is very clear.
You either have to drop the 'every clan has criminal' narrative or provide evidence of what you claim.
- Did Isaaq commit any atrocities?
- If yes, who?
- When did they do so? Dates, places, duration.
- How many people did they kill?
- What are the names of the people they killed.
-What evidence do you have?
If you can not answer these questions you have no case.
Darods keep running to this false narrative when they are confronted with the realities of what their 'heroes' did. But SNM, and by extension Isaaq were exemplary in how they dealt with neighbouring clans. Just keep in mind, Isaaq were the single strongest force in what was known as Somalia. They could have gone 'Hawiye' on their neighbouring clans very easily.
So unless you can answer the question above, this meek "we all have our criminals" excuse is a non-starter.
You did not answer a single question above. Not a single one.Sharmarke91 wrote: Thu May 04, 2017 4:51 am
Walahay ninkan waan la yaaba! Are you serious sxb?
Or are just forgetting about the atrocities committed in Borama & Dila in the early 90s? Are you not currently about to elect the warlord responsible for this, Muse Bixi, as your president?
And are you forgetting the massacre you committed in Buuhoodle district? I can give you the names of the 100s of men who perished, my own uncle was one of them.
Sxb the reality is every clan has committed its fair share of atrocity. It's strange however it's only the isaaq who are not willing to forgive and move forward.
Ogaan bad isu Indha tirasa!Ben Dover wrote: Thu May 04, 2017 6:01 amYou did not answer a single question above. Not a single one.Sharmarke91 wrote: Thu May 04, 2017 4:51 am
Walahay ninkan waan la yaaba! Are you serious sxb?
Or are just forgetting about the atrocities committed in Borama & Dila in the early 90s? Are you not currently about to elect the warlord responsible for this, Muse Bixi, as your president?
And are you forgetting the massacre you committed in Buuhoodle district? I can give you the names of the 100s of men who perished, my own uncle was one of them.
Sxb the reality is every clan has committed its fair share of atrocity. It's strange however it's only the isaaq who are not willing to forgive and move forward.
If we are talking about SNM, go on, if you are so confident, answer the questions:
- Did Isaaq commit any atrocities in Borama and Dilla?
- If yes, who committed them, name names?
- When did they do so? Dates, places, duration.
- How many people did they kill?
- What are the names of the people they killed?
-What evidence do you have? (documentation you can use in a court of law).
You have nothing but accusations, not one of you can actually present any reasonable evidence SNM committed any atrocities as a unit, from a policy standpoint, there may have been individual cases here and there, but the SNM, as the strongest faction in the Somali civil war proved to be the most noble in their liberation war.
I can go on.
As for Buuhoodle, it was reciprocal, you started the killings unprovoked.
You can not claim "every clan has committed its fair share of atrocity", that is not factual at all. Darod did commit heinous atrocities on southern populations, Hawiye did commit atrocities as well. Isaaq did not. And not a single one of you can substantiate that claim.
Wallahi bilaahi there is no more gob clan than Isaaq. All of you admit as much deep down. By all accounts SNM was the single strongest faction of the civil war, you see what USC did in the south. Just imagine what the SNM would have been capable of.
As expected, you have no response. You can not answer a single of these question so you resort to pulling on the emotional strings.Sharmarke91 wrote: Thu May 04, 2017 6:33 am
Ogaan bad isu Indha tirasa!
We admit we committed inexcusable atrocities among the Isaaq and other clans whereas you won't even admit what you've done to the Samaroon. Forget about what evidence to present in a court of law, do you yourself, Seriously, deny the massacre committed in Awdal?
As for Buuhoodle, those people were protecting there land! did you expect them to sit and watch while their land was taken? and if the conflict was initially tribal why did the SNM forces intervene siding with the Isaaq clans?
Ninyaho iska aamu, if you wanna troll badheedh, laakin stop acting like your making viable contributions.
So you admit you have no evidence.Forget about what evidence to present in a court of law, do you yourself, Seriously, deny the massacre committed in Awdal?
