The debate about Somalis being linked to Ancient Egyptians

[WiredForGood]

Africans abandoned Ancient Egypt during the ten year drought and invasion of the Persians during the Old Kingdom. Since then Egypt was invaded and taken over by Persians, Greeks, Syrians, and Turkish. They all claimed to be Pharoahs but they were just lying. So of course they would find the bones of those people.

That study is just another fake study. White people always want to prove that Ancient Egyptians were not African. They just hate that Africa had the first ancient civilization.

It is partial study and not complete account of a history that went on for thousands of years. Genetic results out of the study represent partial history so it can not support a meaningful conclusion. That is where the problem for their study lies.

Other than that, I would not call it fake. Just short in scope and lacking solid conclusion that can represent said period of world history accurately.

[paperino]

People have motivations and biases.

If scientists and scientific facts/discoveries can be biased, then everything we've so far learned about science is questionable.

[Gaashaanle1000]

People have motivations and biases.

If scientists and scientific facts/discoveries can be biased, then everything we've so far learned about science is questionable.

You only realised that now?

[WiredForGood]

People have motivations and biases.

If scientists and scientific facts/discoveries can be biased, then everything we've so far learned about science is questionable.

This is not scientific discovery. A partial study of a long history and incomplete data that does not authoritatively give a final verdict.

And science evolves. Issac Newton was proven wrong in some of his thoughts, Einstein rejected quantum physics with a famous saying that God may be subtle but not malicious. Science evolves with more findings. As for scientists, they are your average imperfect human beings. All of them can and should be questioned all the time.

Google all the science theories or what was treated as the truth and facts that turned out to be useless after a while.

Darwin thought genuinely Africans were closest to apes. See that in his origins of species book.

[AwRastaale]

The whites are lying and using DNA to back their false claims to Ancient Egypt. The overall agenda is to erase any black role from Ancient Egypt.

Somalis and the rest of the Cushitic have lived in that part of Africa before moving down south to Sudan (Beja), where some remained that while the rest decided to travel to east to what's now Ethiopia and Eritrea (Agew, Bilen, Konso, Sidamo, Saho, Afar, Oromo) and the Somalis went further east (Somali Peninsula).

In the old Egypt to the south and west of the Cushitic were the Nubians---present day Nilotic-speaking people such as the Dinka, Nuer, Sumburu, Masai, etc.

They can't erase those facts no matter how they manipulate the history and pollute facts.

[paperino]

This is not scientific discovery. A partial study of a long history and incomplete data that does not authoritatively give a final verdict.

You're mistaken. They've used new genetic techniques on samples (166 from 151 mummified individuals) recovered from Middle Egypt spanning around 1,300 years of ancient Egyptian history from the New Kingdom to the Roman Period.

Nonetheless, like you said, scientists are "average imperfect human beings", who can manipulate their findings for the benefit of their own clan, race, etc. In this case, they want to deny Somalis' kinship to ancient Egyptians and one of the first human civilizations. Therefore, scientific findings of past & present, particularly by white people, are questionable and not to be trusted.

[WiredForGood]

This is not scientific discovery. A partial study of a long history and incomplete data that does not authoritatively give a final verdict.

You're mistaken. They've used new genetic techniques on samples (166 from 151 mummified individuals) recovered from Middle Egypt spanning around 1,300 years of ancient Egyptian history from the New Kingdom to the Roman Period.

Nonetheless, like you said, scientists are "average imperfect human beings", who can manipulate their findings for the benefit of their own clan, race, etc. In this case, they want to deny Somalis' kinship to ancient Egyptians and one of the first human civilizations. Therefore, scientific findings of past & present, particularly by white people, are questionable and not to be trusted.

I don't think you understand what scientific finding means and the process it entails. You are wasting my time. I will just drop one good example of how some groups like to use Data, complete or incomplete for racial bigotry(not this particular group of researchers btw in our current topic).

In 2012, a DNA study was done on Tutankhamun King. Their project aired on TV and a group based in Sweden claimed to have been able to reconstruct the King's DNA Haplogroup from screenshots on the TV and said he was R1B1A2 origin, which is European. The reserachers who did the academic study on Tutankhamun declared that claim unscientific and made clear they were not consulted by the group/company that posted the claim. They were challenged to publish the full DNA sequence they claimed to have reconstructed. They went quite.

You can read this briefly on here:

Tutankhamun[edit]

An academic study which included DNA profiling of some of the related male mummies of the Eighteenth Dynasty of Egypt was published in the Journal of the American Medical Association in 2010. Tutankhamun's Y-DNA haplogroup was not published in the academic paper,[29][30][31] however iGENEA, a Swiss personal genomics company, claimed to have reconstructed King Tut's Y-DNA profile based on screencaps from a Discovery Channel documentary about the study. iGENEA without producing any proof, proposed that King Tut belonged to Y-DNA haplogroup R1b1a2,[32][33]. Members of the research team that conducted the academic study published in 2010 stated they had not been consulted by iGENEA before they published the haplogroup information and described iGENEA's claims as "unscientific." [31] After pressure to publish Tutankhamun's full DNA report to confirm his Y-DNA results, the researchers refused to respond.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_h ... utankhamun

[WiredForGood]

RAMSES III, one of the last Pharaoh Kings of Egypt among others has Similar DNA as East Africans. E1B1A

Ramesses III[edit]

In December 2012, a genetic study conducted by the same researchers who decoded King Tutankhamun's DNA found that Ramesses III, second pharaoh of the Twentieth Dynasty of Egypt and considered to be the last great New Kingdom regent to wield any substantial authority over Egypt, belonged to Y-DNA haplogroup E-M2, alternatively known as haplogroup E1b1a.[19]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_h ... messes_III



All I am pointing out is, this partial study on one community of mummies(3 mummies for full genome only and the rest partial 90 of them all from one area of Egypt)), in one period of time does not completely give a full picture of who Pharaohs were in general. You seem to have angst about that, for whatever reason I am not sure. This is simple rational statement that has nothing to do with emotional reaction such as yours.

Are you Non-Somali by any chance? you seem to have an inferiority complex about us Somalis.

[paperino]

An academic study which included DNA profiling of some of the related male mummies of the Eighteenth Dynasty of Egypt was published in the Journal of the American Medical Association in 2010. Tutankhamun's Y-DNA haplogroup was not published in the academic paper,[29][30][31] however iGENEA, a Swiss personal genomics company, claimed to have reconstructed King Tut's Y-DNA profile based on screencaps from a Discovery Channel documentary about the study. iGENEA without producing any proof, proposed that King Tut belonged to Y-DNA haplogroup R1b1a2,[32][33]. Members of the research team that conducted the academic study published in 2010 stated they had not been consulted by iGENEA before they published the haplogroup information and described iGENEA's claims as "unscientific." [31] After pressure to publish Tutankhamun's full DNA report to confirm his Y-DNA results, the researchers refused to respond.

All those studies were conducted by white scientists/geneticists, whether full or partial, so it's funny that you trust the results that suit you, and reject those that don't suit you.

All I am pointing out is, this partial study on one community of mummies(3 mummies for full genome only and the rest partial 90 of them all from one area of Egypt)), in one period of time does not completely give a full picture of who Pharaohs were in general.

You're mistaken, and it's clear you didn't bother to read the study. The study spans 1300 years, different periods (New Kingdom to the Roman Period), not "in one period of time." Looks like it's you who's wasting the time.

[WiredForGood]

All those studies were conducted by white scientists/geneticists, whether full or partial, so it's funny that you trust the results that suit you, and reject those that don't suit you.

You're mistaken, and it's clear you didn't bother to read the study. The study spans 1300 years, different periods (New Kingdom to the Roman Period), not "in one period of time." Looks like it's you who's wasting the time.

You seem upset about being exposed for the fraud you were with your little white antics in this thread. I do science for a living and know more about science, scientific method, experiments, theories, facts and fictions in science. Race has little to do with it. Majority researchers I run into are Chinese, Iranians, Arabs and Indians by a large margin. Whites are a minority for whatever reason. Also science has no race although some like you always use it for racial purposes. It seems a large section of humanity are informed by race to the point where their God is their race and they painted him to the likeness of their image and skin color, inserted in their fake book that people are created in God's image so worship feels a little more comfortable for them - they are the white Christians you seem to represent. The irony of religion and science being something nonwhites always were associated with escapes the apeshit inferiors like you.

You will embarrass yourself with each post.


PS: Must have been Ramses being East African that got you bleeding as Trump would say.

[paperino]

I do science for a living and know more about science, scientific method, experiments, theories, facts and fictions in science. Race has little to do with it. Majority researchers I run into are Chinese, Iranians, Arabs and Indians by a large margin. Whites are a minority for whatever reason. Also science has no race although some like you always use it for racial purposes. It seems a large section of humanity are informed by race to the point where their God is their race and they painted him to the likeness of their image and skin color, inserted in their fake book that people are created in God's image so worship feels a little more comfortable for them - they are the white Christians you seem to represent. The irony of religion and science being something nonwhites always were associated with escapes the apeshit inferiors like you.

For someone who does "science for a living" and knows "more", you flunked big time by claiming the study covered only "one period of time." 1300 years and several periods do not constitute "one period of time." It's obvious you didn't read the study; a big mistake by someone claiming to "do science for a living." I wonder what someone doing "science for a living" is doing in this forum. I'm sure there are many worthwhile science-oriented forums than here.

PS: You sound like the psychobabbler.

[WiredForGood]

I do science for a living and know more about science, scientific method, experiments, theories, facts and fictions in science. Race has little to do with it. Majority researchers I run into are Chinese, Iranians, Arabs and Indians by a large margin. Whites are a minority for whatever reason. Also science has no race although some like you always use it for racial purposes. It seems a large section of humanity are informed by race to the point where their God is their race and they painted him to the likeness of their image and skin color, inserted in their fake book that people are created in God's image so worship feels a little more comfortable for them - they are the white Christians you seem to represent. The irony of religion and science being something nonwhites always were associated with escapes the apeshit inferiors like you.

For someone who does "science for a living" and knows "more", you flunked big time by claiming the study covered only "one period of time." 1300 years and several periods do not constitute "one period of time." It's obvious you didn't read the study; a big mistake by someone claiming to "do science for a living." I wonder what someone doing "science for a living" is doing in this forum. I'm sure there are many worthwhile science-oriented forums than here.

PS: You sound like the psychobabbler.

Right! No Somali/African can be educated and do science for a living. Isn't that your whole mental gymnastics on this thread? Denying people their place for racial reasons? You grew irrational by the post and irate about Somalis.

You can't answer the simplest of questions either pertaining to your ethnicity because you are either not comfortable with who you are, or trying hard to fit in while posting your shitload of sub opinions about Somalis.

Grow a pair you little man/woman.

PS: The full genome result for the three mummies and the partial ones were Anatolian/Turkish in their majority. Suddenly the Turks are Europeans now which is cool. Ramses III was east African In the Earlier study too. Also, given how long the pharaohs reigned, 1300 expansion of history is not all inclusive. I can see why you are a little disappointed when this was brought up so you could ease with your white obsession.

And that European website Eupedia DETAILS about some southern Europeans sharing similar genetic history to Somalis and East Africans had you in shock apparently. Simply, disappear for saving face. Or keep your meaningless comments posted which will draw nothing but contempt from me.

[paperino]

Right! No Somali/African can be educated and do science for a living.

An educated individual who does science for a living hardly has time for a forum like this. And since you made a fatal claim for simply not reading the study, it's doubtful you're someone who does "science for a living."

Simply, disappear for saving face. Or keep your meaningless comments posted which will draw nothing but contempt from me.

Now, all that's left is for you to declare victory, and possibly supported by the backups.


PS: As someone who does "science for a living", you won't come back to have the last word.

[WiredForGood]

Right! No Somali/African can be educated and do science for a living.

An educated individual who does science for a living hardly has time for a forum like this. And since you made a fatal claim for simply not reading the study, it's doubtful you're someone who does "science for a living."

Simply, disappear for saving face. Or keep your meaningless comments posted which will draw nothing but contempt from me.

Now, all that's left is for you to declare victory, and possibly supported by the backups.


PS: As someone who does "science for a living", you won't come back to have the last word.

I am Somali and the website is somalinet.com duh. It carries my ethnic name and people here are of me and I am of them. If I haven't read the article, would have been hard to expose you right? You wouldn't struggle as you obviously do to write anything that sticks. Keep questioning people's lives, education, and their ethnicity,

You got a life indeed,

[paperino]

I am Somali and the website is somalinet.com duh. It carries my ethnic name and people here are of me and I am of them. If I haven't read the article, would have been hard to expose you right? You wouldn't struggle as you obviously do to write anything that sticks. Keep questioning people's lives, education, and their ethnicity,

You got a life indeed,

You lost the plot; none asked if you're "Somali" or your "ethnic name." You're here an individual among individuals, not a collective. Someone who does "science for a living" does a basic reading before making erroneous claims. That's why it makes perfect sense to question your education. Now, as a scientist don't be a disappointment by not responding.