A peaceful day of elections have ended Alhamdulila

[Zoomalia4Kucks]

So, the corruption will continue, the UAE deal will stay in place, and no advancements will be made?

Corruption? That is barely existent in SL compared to Zoomalia or PunaniLand

No advancements kulaha you come off as jealous hater and you bet your ass that SL-UAE - Ethiopia deal stays in place.

There is corruption in SL. Its not on the scale of the south obviously. But there's oligarchic control of the SL economy.

Are you retarded? Oligarch control ?? Man fuck off and come back when you're ready to have real discussion , do you even know what oligarch means?

[FAH1223]

Are you retarded? Oligarch control ?? Man fuck off and come back when you're ready to have real discussion , do you even know what oligarch means?

Yes I do. I have family living in Hargeysa brah. My father was telling me about the obscene wealth in private hands. Billions (!) in the hands of a a dozen or so families.

[skywalker25]

Are you retarded? Oligarch control ?? Man fuck off and come back when you're ready to have real discussion , do you even know what oligarch means?

Yes I do. I have family living in Hargeysa brah. My father was telling me about the obscene wealth in private hands. Billions (!) in the hands of a a dozen or so families.

FAH,

It's true that Oligarchs exist but they exist all over Africa, even your United States has its obscene rich people. I don't understand why you use that term as something negative. Is it from your western education that somehow associates oligarchy with Russia and by relation negative.

What is your point. Do you mean to say the average man in Somaliland can't make money. This is not true as anybody who has been Hargeisa knows it's probably the best climate for business start ups, regardless of tribe.

Somaliland has a long way to go. However, we recognise, encourage, every little achievement. It's these little achievements which you dismissive that eventually lead to bigger progress.

I won't say you are "spoiler" and anything positive from Somaliland bothers you, as it does a lot of other folks. I will point out, you come across - intentionally or on intentionally - as someone who is struggling to see anything positive from these elections. Maybe it's my perception of your input but that's how you come across.

[Zoomalia4Kucks]

Are you retarded? Oligarch control ?? Man fuck off and come back when you're ready to have real discussion , do you even know what oligarch means?

Yes I do. I have family living in Hargeysa brah. My father was telling me about the obscene wealth in private hands. Billions (!) in the hands of a a dozen or so families.

Okay and ? They worked for their money , and nobody in Hargeisa has billions i have been to SL 3 times in the past 5 years and I have more family there than you . Stop being jealous and stop lying about random shit you're a weirdo

[BigBreak]

FAH is quite right, oligarchs exist in somaliland and there are monopolistic traits of SL's national economy and particular sectors/industries. even if FAH isnt Somalilander doesnt mean that he is lying since on this occasion he is bang on the money and im a Lander (CG)

the solution for somaliland is amongst other things is to separate religious, tribal (customary) and political authorities from one another as well as introduce distributism as a third way from capitalism and socialism

[FAH1223]

FAH,

It's true that Oligarchs exist but they exist all over Africa, even your United States has its obscene rich people. I don't understand why you use that term as something negative. Is it from your western education that somehow associates oligarchy with Russia and by relation negative.

What is your point. Do you mean to say the average man in Somaliland can't make money. This is not true as anybody who has been Hargeisa knows it's probably the best climate for business start ups, regardless of tribe.

Somaliland has a long way to go. However, we recognise, encourage, every little achievement. It's these little achievements which you dismissive that eventually lead to bigger progress.

I won't say you are "spoiler" and anything positive from Somaliland bothers you, as it does a lot of other folks. I will point out, you come across - intentionally or on intentionally - as someone who is struggling to see anything positive from these elections. Maybe it's my perception of your input but that's how you come across.

Of course oligarchs exist every where and yes, the USA is run by oligarchs too and not even more obscenely so.

What I'm saying is that Somaliland had developed its civil society and has done progress. BUT THERE CAN BE MORE progress if these issues are tackled by a new regime. There'll be more competition economically which will raise more opportunity. The only thing southern Somalia has on the SL and the rest of the country is that there's much more economic competition there and things aren't as concentrated in many sectors.

With most things regarding Somalia/land, I'm pessimistic because the whole place is stagnated and Somalis in general lack grand visions.

Okay and ? They worked for their money , and nobody in Hargeisa has billions i have been to SL 3 times in the past 5 years and I have more family there than you . Stop being jealous and stop lying about random shit you're a weirdo

I'm not lying. And there's a lot of money that's parked in other countries.

FAH is quite right, oligarchs exist in somaliland and there are monopolistic traits of SL's national economy and particular sectors/industries. even if FAH isnt Somalilander doesnt mean that he is lying since on this occasion he is bang on the money and im a Lander (CG)

the solution for somaliland is amongst other things is to separate religious, tribal (customary) and political authorities from one another as well as introduce distributism as a third way from capitalism and socialism

Thank you bro, that's exactly what I'm saying.

[Zoomalia4Kucks]

Again you are both mistaken there is no oligarchy in SL, as SL is more democratic than both Somalia and PL. You are literally making baseless accusations, Somalia and PL don't even have real elections. That's a very defining point of an oligarchy the select few that not only control most of the countries money but they also control the politicians. SL never was and never will be oligarchy. You guys are completely misunderstanding what oligarchy is and how the SL government is ran. There is no small handful of people with power calling the shots in SL, the people have the power.

SL is completely the opposite of the obvious oligarchs in PL and Somalia

The UN even released report about the oligarchy in PL back when they had pirate problem how few rich individuals here profiting off the piracy, and so was the PL government by allowing it to happen. That's an oligarchy where a few rich people dictate the government's position on things. Russia is an oligarchy. Somalia is an oligarchy. One of the main themes of oligarchy is authoritarian like control. SL has in the past and currently (Egal, Wadani , UCID) vote for individuals that have worked for the Somali gov also. What few rich SL people would allow that?

The truth is Somalilands business environment does offer an opportunity for oligarchy to grow but it hasn't because above all else SL is still very clannish. Oligarchy has to compete with clannism, and those who just want government control (a different type of power ).

Oligarchy generally means ruling class. They gain their power and their ability to rule over the masses through their strangle hold on country's business environment and resources. The Kulmiye government and the UDUB one before do not fit this description nor will what ever government that follows. Why? because they are powerless without the Qabils. Even in this election Kulmiye is made up of HJ + HA , and Garxajis is Wadani .
Clannism defeats oligarchy is SL every day

There isn't an oligarchy in SL yet the SL government doesn't work hand in hand with the few small rich otherwise there wouldn't be elections because they wouldn't want to kill their golden egg.

Vladimir Putin runs an oligarchy and he stays in power because he and a few Russians control 99% of the wealth. If you are looking for oligarchy in East Africa look no further than Somalia , PL, or even Ethiopa. Fake elections hand picked by the few with real power.

[skywalker25]

FAH,

It's true that Oligarchs exist but they exist all over Africa, even your United States has its obscene rich people. I don't understand why you use that term as something negative. Is it from your western education that somehow associates oligarchy with Russia and by relation negative.

What is your point. Do you mean to say the average man in Somaliland can't make money. This is not true as anybody who has been Hargeisa knows it's probably the best climate for business start ups, regardless of tribe.

Somaliland has a long way to go. However, we recognise, encourage, every little achievement. It's these little achievements which you dismissive that eventually lead to bigger progress.

I won't say you are "spoiler" and anything positive from Somaliland bothers you, as it does a lot of other folks. I will point out, you come across - intentionally or on intentionally - as someone who is struggling to see anything positive from these elections. Maybe it's my perception of your input but that's how you come across.

Of course oligarchs exist every where and yes, the USA is run by oligarchs too and not even more obscenely so.

What I'm saying is that Somaliland had developed its civil society and has done progress. BUT THERE CAN BE MORE progress if these issues are tackled by a new regime. There'll be more competition economically which will raise more opportunity. The only thing southern Somalia has on the SL and the rest of the country is that there's much more economic competition there and things aren't as concentrated in many sectors.

With most things regarding Somalia/land, I'm pessimistic because the whole place is stagnated and Somalis in general lack grand visions.

Okay and ? They worked for their money , and nobody in Hargeisa has billions i have been to SL 3 times in the past 5 years and I have more family there than you . Stop being jealous and stop lying about random shit you're a weirdo

I'm not lying. And there's a lot of money that's parked in other countries.

FAH is quite right, oligarchs exist in somaliland and there are monopolistic traits of SL's national economy and particular sectors/industries. even if FAH isnt Somalilander doesnt mean that he is lying since on this occasion he is bang on the money and im a Lander (CG)

the solution for somaliland is amongst other things is to separate religious, tribal (customary) and political authorities from one another as well as introduce distributism as a third way from capitalism and socialism

Thank you bro, that's exactly what I'm saying.

FAH,

bro, Somalia does not have Oligarchs because they don't stick around long enough to get that rich.

For the record, I know a guy who are as rich as anybody in Hargeisa but keeps his profile low for fear of being kidnapped.