This Had Zero To Do With Qabiil

[BVSNet]

BVSnet,

Hope all's been well. That said You don't think it is a tad bit disingenuous to say 'Oh, Poor old miskiin workerbee everyday Somali citizen who got attacked for nothing but voicing His opinion'? I do think it is disingenuous to say that. Abdishakur, Cumar Buur are not everyday Somali citizens but dangerous, Non-State actors who have been given boatloads of cash to destabilize Somalia. NO I don't think any Somali leader should ever have the right to trample upon the rights of the Shacbi but dare I say this was a matter of National Security. UAE is actively trying to undermine the Government of Somalia and anybody who feels they could just come in and do another Nation's bidding in Somalia shouldn't feel safe.


AbkoowDhiblaawe,

Bro, Somalia has had too many damn years, especially US speaking as Koonfur Where there was nobody incharge, nobody with control and not knowing Where the buck stops with anything. Saas miyaan ahaanaynaa weligeen? Sometimes like is about picking the least bad option. I honestly think the only problem in this scenario was releasing Him so quickly.

If the government has a case, bring it to court, if found guilty the accused is punished accordingly. Going into someone's house guns blazing at midnight, killing people and then when asked to state your case and present your evidence to ask for 5 days.... Are you kidding me? So you killed those people without any certainty that they were dangerous and needed to be killed on that night?

Silencing political enemies by killing them or imprisoning them without evidence or a legal case is what happens in countries with a dictator. Somalia is not a dictatorship.

clearly they wanted to arrest him, the incident was not an assassination attempt. You right the government handled it wrong, but Abdishakur is flight risk he should be house arrested, they still have his documents and computer from the raid, this data is more important than keeping him imprisoned, when the information is extracted beesha Hawiye who defended him will take the biggest L, you have just a big a stake in Somalia as we do, why defend a traitor that is selling all of us down the river.

They could have arrested him without ambushing his house in the middle of the night and killing 6 people.

I don't like Abdishakur but we need to be clear on his crimes, they need to be proven and then he is to be punished. Silencing someone on hearsay is not acceptable.

There will be no L for Hawiye to take, if you would read the complaints it's about HOW this was handled, which was ILLEGAL.

In the event that Abdishakur is found guilty of a crime he should get what he deserves but the government is not to be allowed to behave as a dictatorship.

[AbkoowDhiblaawe]

BVSnet,

Hope all's been well. That said You don't think it is a tad bit disingenuous to say 'Oh, Poor old miskiin workerbee everyday Somali citizen who got attacked for nothing but voicing His opinion'? I do think it is disingenuous to say that. Abdishakur, Cumar Buur are not everyday Somali citizens but dangerous, Non-State actors who have been given boatloads of cash to destabilize Somalia. NO I don't think any Somali leader should ever have the right to trample upon the rights of the Shacbi but dare I say this was a matter of National Security. UAE is actively trying to undermine the Government of Somalia and anybody who feels they could just come in and do another Nation's bidding in Somalia shouldn't feel safe.


AbkoowDhiblaawe,

Bro, Somalia has had too many damn years, especially US speaking as Koonfur Where there was nobody incharge, nobody with control and not knowing Where the buck stops with anything. Saas miyaan ahaanaynaa weligeen? Sometimes like is about picking the least bad option. I honestly think the only problem in this scenario was releasing Him so quickly.

If the government has a case, bring it to court, if found guilty the accused is punished accordingly. Going into someone's house guns blazing at midnight, killing people and then when asked to state your case and present your evidence to ask for 5 days.... Are you kidding me? So you killed those people without any certainty that they were dangerous and needed to be killed on that night?

Silencing political enemies by killing them or imprisoning them without evidence or a legal case is what happens in countries with a dictator. Somalia is not a dictatorship.

Well put.

[BVSNet]

BVSNet,

Sis I work in Cyber Security. I mean really lets be honest. You really think Somali institutions and Intelligence Services are so advanced to Where they could do cyber forensics, intercept encrypted Emails, monitor communications between Him and His foreign masters in Abu Dhabi? The answer is hell no Somalia is a failed State thats ill equipped to handle a investigation like this as far as bringing legit proof. What is known without a shadow of a doubt by anyone who has followed Somali Politics is that He, Cumar Buur and others are Non State Actors. Even people here on Somalinet are not denying that.


Ben Dover,

I mean this sincerely not insultingly but You should think about Quran Saar and maybe Anti Depression medication.

Make up your mind. Is it that it's impossible to get evidence or is it that his crimes are known without a shadow of doubt?

It can't be both ways.

What was done was politically, legally and morally ill-advised.

[sahal80]

Kkkkk dawladaan maa cumar cabdirashiid u dhawaan karta?

You guys are out of touch with reality.

Horta yaa idiin ogol inaad HAG soo dhaaftaan!

https://www.radiodalsan.com/2017/12/21/ ... aradka-ah/

arinta dagaal bay gaarsiiyeen and that is wrong

Arresting cayr politician have resulted guutada sadexaad iyo shanaad evacuating lower shabelle bases.


Wallahi billah dawladaan waxaa fareehada ka bixi hodan, hawlwadaag iyo huriwaa hadii qaladaadkaan soo noqdaan

We dont want amni daro.

[Murax]

Bvsnet,

I’m just saying You can’t compare apples and oranges. You can’t hold a fledging Government of a failed State to the same buredon of proof and standards as the West. Lets try to be a tad bit macquul and realistic and cut a tad bit lf slack. I think we just got used to having so called Governments that are nothing more than rubber stamp odays in Somalia for a little vacation. What I was saying is that it is common knowledge to everyone that this Guy and Cumar Buur are Foreign Agents.


What I will have to plead ignorance on is I didn’t follow closely enough to know if He was given a chance to surrender peacefully without a fiasco. That I’d have to look at

[bluelovelady]

If they had not one shred of evidence then they had no case. Gossip is not evidence. That means anyone can get arrested and killed based on gossip.

[gobdoon]

Ciidanku ma ciidan wadan ba mise mid qabiil taasu waxay ku tusinaysa awalba maleeshiyo qabiil oo shicibka shabeelada dhibaato ku haya bay ahayeen
Waxan in la joojiyo waaye oo la helo ciidan isku dhafan oo calanka iyo dalka u dhaarta
Maxa ka galay nin siyaasi ah oo hadba meel u dhoofaya.

[BVSNet]

Bvsnet,

I’m just saying You can’t compare apples and oranges. You can’t hold a fledging Government of a failed State to the same buredon of proof and standards as the West. Lets try to be a tad bit macquul and realistic and cut a tad bit lf slack. I think we just got used to having so called Governments that are nothing more than rubber stamp odays in Somalia for a little vacation. What I was saying is that it is common knowledge to everyone that this Guy and Cumar Buur are Foreign Agents.


What I will have to plead ignorance on is I didn’t follow closely enough to know if He was given a chance to surrender peacefully without a fiasco. That I’d have to look at

You are saying that it's okay to ruin someone's life, take away their freedom without any evidence, without any proof. Worse still, kill people because you have a bad feeling about them?

Does that genuinely make sense to you?

This isn't holding them to some unachievable standard. It's common sense and the bare minimum that before killing, before imprisoning you have a good reason and can back it up.

Without that being a basic and fundamental truth then there's no government and the slow and painful growth over the past 27 years is being thrown away. That cannot be allowed to happen.

[gobdoon]

Tasuna waxa meesha ka muuqda labadi waxood oo la rabay in la qabto ilaa hada lama samayn
1 Sharci iyo cadaalad madax banan oo lo wada siman yahay
2 Ciidan iyo Boliis ka madax banan milishiya qabiil oo isku dhafan

[gobdoon]

There has not been growth for last 27 years weli qabiil iyo qurun iyo wixi ina haligey ban dabada ka wadna
Dadkan la hadlaya ban lahayn dux iyo iimane
Dugsi ma leh qabyaladi waxay dumiso moyaane

[Canuck2]

If they had not one shred of evidence then they had no case. Gossip is not evidence. That means anyone can get arrested and killed based on gossip.

All these evidence is not enough for from funding Kismayo conference and paying the cashlords (governors of states) to selling our water to Kenya. His signature on this MOU is biggest treason in our history. We are in international court because of his signature.

[Canuck2]

Kkkkk dawladaan maa cumar cabdirashiid u dhawaan karta?

You guys are out of touch with reality.

Horta yaa idiin ogol inaad HAG soo dhaaftaan!

https://www.radiodalsan.com/2017/12/21/ ... aradka-ah/

arinta dagaal bay gaarsiiyeen and that is wrong

Arresting cayr politician have resulted guutada sadexaad iyo shanaad evacuating lower shabelle bases.


Wallahi billah dawladaan waxaa fareehada ka bixi hodan, hawlwadaag iyo huriwaa hadii qaladaadkaan soo noqdaan

We dont want amni daro.

So you are holding the country ransom and reason for Somalia not moving forward. Thank you for showing the Somalis your true colours.

[Canuck2]

BVSNet,

Sis I work in Cyber Security. I mean really lets be honest. You really think Somali institutions and Intelligence Services are so advanced to Where they could do cyber forensics, intercept encrypted Emails, monitor communications between Him and His foreign masters in Abu Dhabi? The answer is hell no Somalia is a failed State thats ill equipped to handle a investigation like this as far as bringing legit proof. What is known without a shadow of a doubt by anyone who has followed Somali Politics is that He, Cumar Buur and others are Non State Actors. Even people here on Somalinet are not denying that.


Ben Dover,

I mean this sincerely not insultingly but You should think about Quran Saar and maybe Anti Depression medication.

Make up your mind. Is it that it's impossible to get evidence or is it that his crimes are known without a shadow of doubt?

It can't be both ways.

What was done was politically, legally and morally ill-advised.

His signature at the MOU in 2009 is biggest treason in Somalia ‘s history; right Somalia is in battle in IC because of his signature

[Canuck2]

Bvsnet,

I’m just saying You can’t compare apples and oranges. You can’t hold a fledging Government of a failed State to the same buredon of proof and standards as the West. Lets try to be a tad bit macquul and realistic and cut a tad bit lf slack. I think we just got used to having so called Governments that are nothing more than rubber stamp odays in Somalia for a little vacation. What I was saying is that it is common knowledge to everyone that this Guy and Cumar Buur are Foreign Agents.


What I will have to plead ignorance on is I didn’t follow closely enough to know if He was given a chance to surrender peacefully without a fiasco. That I’d have to look at

Abdishakur himself is not denying his work for UAE and they are denying here in forums

[Canuck2]

You think Thabit, waare, xaaf the mudulood imam and all the heaveweights defended Abdishakur cause he was HG? Lol.

The thing that pissed of people was the illegitimate way the man was arrested. If they didn’t lash out this country would’ve devoloped into a dictatorship. Where leaders can do what they want to opposition without consequences. Heck even Ceyr don’t give a shit about abdushakur.

This gov got terrible advisers. I saw this coming a mile away. Check voltage’s thread. The gov just shot itself in the foot by hyping a looser. They turned a knowbody to a king. He will milk this so hard.

Governors waare and xaaf are in his payroll like the rest of cashlords and Abdishakur fianced kismayo conference through 36 millions $ from UAE. And he worked for CC sharmarke man in Mogadishu. Sharmarke is smarter than him and didn’t want to risk himself arresting in Mogadishu, while Abdishakur is dumber. MJ are using your politicians to do their dirty jobs like signing the MOU.