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Re: PM Kheyre vists Senator Qeybdiid's house to apologise. The big question who is in charge of Somalia's troops?

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BVSNet wrote: Tue Jan 02, 2018 1:54 am
Xildiiid wrote:I’m not condoning the raid on that mans house
There you go.

The rest of your post is about me as an individual and you are under no obligation to buy me flowers and I'm under no obligation to convince you of my character.

Ps read the title of the link you posted, it says "unknown".

PPs calling one group indigenous and the other occupiers is probably the most balanced and thoughtout perspective ever to be shared on a conflict.
The article from a Chinese news outlet might write unknown but Somali sources including the governor of Marka confirmed that the militia that carried out the arson were Habar Gidir. We have the uncle of the children on YouTube confirming the death of his mother, nieces and nephews and the events that took place. You have videos of the Biimaal community in UK condemning the attacks. I understand.. you can’t defend the actions of your clan even though you want to so denial is your best strategy.

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http://markanews.net/blog/2016/04/20/di ... ada-hoose/

Another news outlet describing the crimes committed by the Habar Gidir SNA militia.

Indeed.. it’s the most balanced way of describing the reality. Habar Gidir are occupiers, they’re criminals and they have no business being in Lower Shabeelle.

Your crocodile tears for justice only applies when it is your clan that’s on the receiving end but you haven’t condemned the crimes committed by your filthy xaaraan ku naax clan for the last 20 years, tormenting indigenous communities and minorities.

A disgusting hypocrite..
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Re: PM Kheyre vists Senator Qeybdiid's house to apologise. The big question who is in charge of Somalia's troops?

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Khalid Ali wrote: Tue Jan 02, 2018 5:07 am Excellent I like the hierarchy of Somalia.

Habargedir ultimate fighters good with bussiness great generals. They just suck at politics and law and order. Sharci iyo xeer dhibbaata ka haysata but the clan is strong reer Kuwait aka dayniille is bowing to dhuusamareeb and shingaani hg new turf I love the expansion of hg. Survivial of the fittest
:lol: zero sum game ay ? this is not a video game mate this is peoples lives and an entire nation at stake, an individual who is a traitor does not represent an entire clan. HG might be little greedy with Abdishakur they should let him face his fate and distance themselves from this toxic individual before its too late and they get a new stigma of traitor ontop of moryanism.

gacan yare you are two faced towards HG, you hate them but pretend to support them and push them to unnecessary conflict to destabilise mogadishu, what is this ? this is typical playground bullying and peer pressure.
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gacanyare doesnt care abiut hawiye uraaye.he just wants to incite beesha moryaan to startnarmed conflictnin mogadishu which will be ugly and deadly.hope sanity prevails zhough.iidoor in their hatred towards hawiye are beating drums of war from the conforts of their hargeysa khat stall.
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I like habargedir because they are a gangster so what they terrorize xalwadle cadcads big deal.

Why would gacanyare hate hawiye. Hawiye never killed a single isaaq. The plan was hawiye go kill darod hawiye agreed. Then idea was let's build something hawiye couldn't agree we stepped out. Then the plan was let's together remove and humiliate darod from the entire somali peninsula. Hawiye said darod wa Somali And they brought cabdilahi yusuf. And we said never trust darod ever even if Is your neighbour. Hawiye is gulible which frustrates me sometimes and I call them names. But they don't know their enemies. Sayid siigeyste callled us infidels insulted our ancestors we said Sayid siigeyste we shaydaan.ibliis Muslim iska dhigaya terrorist And we forced him to flee to imeey and we tòok all his stock by 1925 isaaq was one of the richest clans in east africa .We know darod and darod knows isaaq. We see through you and we will never forgive what you have done And never forget and that is a promise ilaa qiyaamaa waa inoo dagaal.
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Re: PM Kheyre vists Senator Qeybdiid's house to apologise. The big question who is in charge of Somalia's troops?

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Xildiiid wrote: Mon Jan 01, 2018 11:32 pm
BVSNet wrote: Mon Jan 01, 2018 6:49 am My people have not burned anyone. If someone is accused of something due process should be pursued and justice served.

This is very basic. I don't believe it's expecting too much of a government not to send armed soldiers into people's houses in the middle of the night and shoot rounds into a pregnant woman.
An irrefutable fact that you can’t deny.. HG ”Government soldiers” backed by other Hawiye SNA militias burned a Biimaal grandmother and her 8 grandchildren including a newborn baby.

Another incident happened a year later in which a pregnant Biimaal woman was raped and murdered by HG militia inside Marka as some kind of revenge (bizarre logic) because the HG SNA lost a battle around the town Janaale against a local Biimaal militia.


Then we have the murder of Biimaal elders who were traveling from Bay/Bakool after a peace conference and the murder was also orchestrated by HG. It was an attempt to scare Biimaal from putting their weight behind “Konfuur Galbeed” that was being formed around that time.


For the last 20 years the HG clan has fought indigenous communities in Lower Shabeelle, stealing farmland while trying to create new settlements.

Your HG clan has committed unforgivable crimes in Lower Shabeelle, Bay and Bakool etc.. crimes against humanity among other things and you’re crying over 6 men lol.

Caqli Walaweyn..
So does this mean all Harti are rapists since PL soldiers can't stop raping women and children ?
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Re: PM Kheyre vists Senator Qeybdiid's house to apologise. The big question who is in charge of Somalia's troops?

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Khalid Ali wrote: Tue Jan 02, 2018 5:07 am Excellent I like the hierarchy of Somalia.

Habargedir ultimate fighters good with bussiness great generals. They just suck at politics and law and order. Sharci iyo xeer dhibbaata ka haysata but the clan is strong reer Kuwait aka dayniille is bowing to dhuusamareeb and shingaani hg new turf I love the expansion of hg. Survivial of the fittest
This isn't Murusade v. Habar Gidir. The government messed up and they seem to be rectifying it. Somalia is well on its way to sustained and long term peace and prosperity insha'Allah. This is a bump.
Xildiiid wrote: The article from a Chinese news outlet might write unknown but Somali sources
Your irrefutable fact is apparently refutable. What happened in lower shabeele is not as simplistic as you narrate. All the people who killed innocent inhabitants should be brought to justice and come what may they will have to answer for it in akhira.
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Re: PM Kheyre vists Senator Qeybdiid's house to apologise. The big question who is in charge of Somalia's troops?

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BVSNet wrote: Tue Jan 02, 2018 5:15 pm What happened in lower shabeele is not as simplistic as you narrate. All the people who killed innocent inhabitants should be brought to justice and come what may they will have to answer for it in akhira.
What is going in Lower Shabelle and has been going on since the fall of the Kacaan regime is not complicated.

The killers that murdered that grandmother and her children were identified and are known to the natives of Marka district. Their killing was an act of revenge for Habargidirs killed when the Biimaals launched an attack on an occupied farm in the Janaale area.
On 18 April 2016 at Essow village southwest of Marka seven members of one family, an elderly woman Khadija Noor Mohammed and her six grandchildren (aged eight, six, four, three and three years old and a baby of four months) were
shot dead and then burned in their home. The SEMG interviewed members of the family, two of whom survived the
incident by hiding in the surrounding bush. Other neighbours had fled when the community received a telephone warning
that militia were approaching the hamlet. The relatives described how the mother of the five children had grabbed her
eldest son (13) at the advance of the militia and fled, trusting that the smaller children and elderly grandmother would not
be harmed. Later she and her neighbours reportedly heard Grandmother Khadija cry out and name her attacker: Nur
Awale, the son of a prominent elder, and leader of a unit of Haber Gedir (Saleban) militia based at Shalmabot. Seven homes in the hamlet were burned and the animals shot after which the militia departed, stealing maize, clothes and money they had found. Members of the community asserted that the action would not have occurred without sanction of the local SNA Commander Nur Jiddow with whom Nur Awale’s militia were frequently located.

Shortly after the killings Al Shabaab officials arrived at the scene and collected bullet casings. The also took pictures of the bodies and of the funeral ceremony. Later Al Shabaab arrested four of those alleged to have participated in burning down the homes, but they were ultimately released without charge further to clan pressure.

In the days following the killings a series of revenge attacks and clashes between Haber Gedir and Biimaal militia ensued. Seven people were killed, including children.

The then Al Shabaab Governor of Lower Shabelle, Mohamed Abu Abdalla, subsequently organized a reconciliation conference between the parties which ended with an ‘agreement’ in Janale on 28 April 2016. Meanwhile no investigations into the incident were conducted by Federal or regional or local authorities.

Both Biimaal elders living in Somalia and abroad reported receiving threats from members of the Haber Gedir community further to their speaking out about the case.
Page 162 http://www.securitycouncilreport.org/at ... 16_919.pdf

It ain't only the Biimaal that have a problem with the remnants of the Habargidir militias that controlled Lower Shabelle, and are now part of the SNA. Sadly, the Digil are not as outspoken and predominately shy away from conflict. Then again, who can blame them as they do not possess the heavy weaponry that allows a relatively small non-indigenous 'SNA' militia to harass hundreds of thousands of local civilians. Arm them like the way the Ethiopians armed the Raxanweyn against Aideed's thugs in Baidoa, and even they will not remain silent for long.
Lower Shabelle 44.

Since 2014, the Monitoring Group has documented how entrenched intercommunal conflict in Lower Shabelle, particularly among the Haber Gedir, Biimaal and Digil clans, was complicated by the comparative dominance of the Haber Gedir clan in local and federal political and security structures, and increasingly by the involvement of Al-Shabaab. Under President Hassan Sheikh Mohamud, the extension of State power in Lower Shabelle, and by extension international support, was allied with Haber Gedir networks. Not only did elements of the Hawiye-dominated Somali National Army participate in large-scale attacks on Biimaal and Digil communities in Lower Shabelle but, on some occasions, it did so in joint operations with Al-Shabaab (see S/2016/919, annex 6.1). At the same time, Al-Shabaab was also building alliances with local communities in opposition to the Government, presenting itself as a protector from an illegitimate and predatory State.32

45. By late 2016, Al-Shabaab’s allegiances in the region were more firmly established. Spurred by Al-Shabaab’s temporary takeover of Marka in February 2016, supported to various degrees by Haber Gedir militia and elements of the Somali National Army, the Biimaal switched their allegiance to AMISOM and anti-Al-Shabaab forces (see S/2016/919, annex 7.5). Haber Gedir networks in the region turned to Al-Shabaab and consolidated their alliance. By October 2016, Al-Shabaab had commenced large-scale burning and looting of Biimaal villages, escalating its attacks in May 2017. In August, open conflict erupted between Biimaal and Haber Gedir militias and Al-Shabaab over control of Marka (see also annex 10.2 (strictly confidential)).
http://www.wardheernews.com/wp-content/ ... Mgroup.pdf

The conflict in Lower Shabelle is ugly but truth be told BV, it is mainly ugly because of one clan's desire to maintain its hegemony in a land where it does not have a Deegaan. None of the dozens of villages in Marka district that have been affected by the conflict are Habargidir nor are most of the civilians. The Squatter 'Landlords' are now using both the SNA and Al Shabab to intimidate the local populace in order to put pressure on the Biimaal militia. If you are sincere in your 'Somalinimo' and 'idealism', start with your own folk. Allah knows they have meted out more injustice than they have received in Lower Shabelle.

I wonder if you would be so silent if it was the other way round, and Digil/Biimaal were waging war on HG in Guriceel, Cadaado etc? Nothing wrong with being a Qabilist like the majority of people on Snet, but just keep it real and allow the Munafiqnimo.
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Leave it to Zumaale to explain the lay of the land.

I must also give props to Idoor Xildiid for coming to the defense of the persecuted Biimals in LS, and against the indefensible and immoral acts perpetrated by certain segment of the SNA in cahoots with an occupying tribal militia in the Lower Shabelle.

I believe the SNM is indebted to the SSNM, which, perhaps, the Biimal were part of it, and should garner assistance from Hargeisa in terms of financial and military support.
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Zumaale it would be simple for you if you could label all Habar Gidir there as invaders and erase them. Fortunately for the Habar Gidir men, women and children in lower shabeele who live there that is not going to happen.
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Jabuutawi wrote: Tue Jan 02, 2018 7:59 pm Leave it to Zumaale to explain the lay of the land.

I must also give props to Idoor Xildiid for coming to the defense of the persecuted Biimals in LS, and against the indefensible and immoral acts perpetrated by certain segment of the SNA in cahoots with an occupying tribal militia in the Lower Shabelle.

I believe the SNM is indebted to the SSNM, which, perhaps, the Biimal were part of it, and should garner assistance from Hargeisa in terms of financial and military support.
4.5 in everything. It's actually appropriate for Dir to stand together. Perhaps this is solved like a medieval fight, move away from all the civilians and let the militias hash it out.
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BVSNet wrote: Tue Jan 02, 2018 8:18 pm Zumaale it would be simple for you if you could label all Habar Gidir there as invaders and erase them. Fortunately for the Habar Gidir men, women and children in lower shabeele who live there that is not going to happen.
BV, we have had this debate before. I have always been consistent in my critcism whenever we have discussed this matter.

This is not about Habargidir civilians. There are Habargidir civilians that lived there before the Civil War just like there are civilians from all non-native Somali clans in Lower Shabelle. Heck, Cadde Muuse was born in Marka. It is mainly about a Habargidir Cartel that seeks to maintain control of valuable agricultural resources, NGO funds, taxation etc. at the expense of the native Digil and Biimaal clans. They would probably have continued doing so to the Mirifle of Bay iyo Bakool under Aideed and his son if it was not for the Ethiopians.
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BVSNet wrote: Tue Jan 02, 2018 8:22 pm
Jabuutawi wrote: Tue Jan 02, 2018 7:59 pm Leave it to Zumaale to explain the lay of the land.

I must also give props to Idoor Xildiid for coming to the defense of the persecuted Biimals in LS, and against the indefensible and immoral acts perpetrated by certain segment of the SNA in cahoots with an occupying tribal militia in the Lower Shabelle.

I believe the SNM is indebted to the SSNM, which, perhaps, the Biimal were part of it, and should garner assistance from Hargeisa in terms of financial and military support.
4.5 in everything. It's actually appropriate for Dir to stand together. Perhaps this is solved like a medieval fight, move away from all the civilians and let the militias hash it out.
If this was ever a 'Dir' conflict, Djibouti would not have been recently hosting your warring Galmudug parties nor would it have based troops in Cadaado to maintain security during the Galmudug elections.
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zumaale wrote: Tue Jan 02, 2018 8:37 pm
BVSNet wrote: Tue Jan 02, 2018 8:18 pm Zumaale it would be simple for you if you could label all Habar Gidir there as invaders and erase them. Fortunately for the Habar Gidir men, women and children in lower shabeele who live there that is not going to happen.
BV, we have had this debate before. I have always been consistent in my critcism whenever we have discussed this matter.

This is not about Habargidir civilians. There are Habargidir civilians that lived there before the Civil War just like there are civilians from all non-native Somali clans in Lower Shabelle. Heck, Cadde Muuse was born in Marka. It is mainly about a Habargidir Cartel that seeks to maintain control of valuable agricultural resources, NGO funds, taxation etc. at the expense of the native Digil and Biimaal clans. They would probably have continued doing so to the Mirifle of Bay iyo Bakool under Aideed and his son if it was not for the Ethiopians.
As have I. All criminals should be brought to justice. Innocent civilians should not be persecuted by the government or anyone else.
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zumaale wrote: Tue Jan 02, 2018 8:46 pm
BVSNet wrote: Tue Jan 02, 2018 8:22 pm
Jabuutawi wrote: Tue Jan 02, 2018 7:59 pm Leave it to Zumaale to explain the lay of the land.

I must also give props to Idoor Xildiid for coming to the defense of the persecuted Biimals in LS, and against the indefensible and immoral acts perpetrated by certain segment of the SNA in cahoots with an occupying tribal militia in the Lower Shabelle.

I believe the SNM is indebted to the SSNM, which, perhaps, the Biimal were part of it, and should garner assistance from Hargeisa in terms of financial and military support.
4.5 in everything. It's actually appropriate for Dir to stand together. Perhaps this is solved like a medieval fight, move away from all the civilians and let the militias hash it out.
If this was ever a 'Dir' conflict, Djibouti would not have been recently hosting your warring Galmudug parties nor would it have based troops in Cadaado to maintain security during the Galmudug elections.

Yes of course then when all that is done get your sword ready.
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BVSNet wrote: Tue Jan 02, 2018 8:58 pm
zumaale wrote: Tue Jan 02, 2018 8:37 pm
BVSNet wrote: Tue Jan 02, 2018 8:18 pm Zumaale it would be simple for you if you could label all Habar Gidir there as invaders and erase them. Fortunately for the Habar Gidir men, women and children in lower shabeele who live there that is not going to happen.
BV, we have had this debate before. I have always been consistent in my critcism whenever we have discussed this matter.

This is not about Habargidir civilians. There are Habargidir civilians that lived there before the Civil War just like there are civilians from all non-native Somali clans in Lower Shabelle. Heck, Cadde Muuse was born in Marka. It is mainly about a Habargidir Cartel that seeks to maintain control of valuable agricultural resources, NGO funds, taxation etc. at the expense of the native Digil and Biimaal clans. They would probably have continued doing so to the Mirifle of Bay iyo Bakool under Aideed and his son if it was not for the Ethiopians.
As have I. All criminals should be brought to justice. Innocent civilians should not be persecuted by the government or anyone else.
This conflict has a cause and effect, to ignore the roots of the conflict and not remedy them is to treat a gunshot wound with a plaster. Can you envisage peace until the native clans are left to administer their local affairs without interference, and agricultural land belonging to them is returned?
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