1 amhara dead, but he took 6 tplf soldiers with him

[grandpakhalif]

Ok can you tell me Oromo stance on Harare? I believe we should share it because my historical ancestors like Amiir Nuur and Warwajeclaa founded it. This is recorded history, we were pushed out by expanding Abbysiniyians who swallowed whole this once Somali kingdom. I believe it was the Aarsi tribe?

What is your thoughts?

[Khalid Ali]

Harar is a shared city it has harraris noole oromos there are basically no Somalis there assimilated Somalis inside oromo clans of adari clans. I have visited harar so many tombs there mosques some isaaq sheikhs are buired Turkish sheikhs Arabs..it's an Ethiopian city and a respect its Ethiopians. I have even visited tafari mekonnen house the oromo shewan general

I believe both harar and diredawa should remain special zones.

Oromuna.
Gadaa system.
Strong oromo forces .
Waaq religion Christianity islam promote an 3 equally.

Build a national oromo ideology.

Similar what the neftengas did after the second world war

[Waachis]

Harar and dire dawa should be governed by both oromo and Somalis, without it being officially apart of either state. Let both languages be the working languages of both towns or cities.

[Waachis]

the arsi don't live in harar though, the oromo who live there are

ittu, anniya, alla, baabbille, daga and obborra
they live in the entire hararghe highlands from the western part of chercher, to gara mula`ata, to close to the danakil depression to close to the headwaters of the fafan and dakata rivers.

the arsi live in huge lands in south and southeast Ethiopia _oromia.
the arsi have inter married with Somalis too. they have a clan called rayitu which is pretty much half Somali. their leaders were the ones leading the salf or somali abbo liberation front.
sayyid Abdullah the mad mullah even lived with the arsi after his rebellion. arsi borders the ogaden too. the arsi live on both sides of the wabi shabelle.
southeast bale is inhabited by pastoralist Somali clans while the rest is arsi oromo lands.

[St8OuttaDirree]

the arsi don't live in harar though, the oromo who live there are

ittu, anniya, alla, baabbille, daga and obborra
they live in the entire hararghe highlands from the western part of chercher, to gara mula`ata, to close to the danakil depression to close to the headwaters of the fafan and dakata rivers.

the arsi live in huge lands in south and southeast Ethiopia _oromia.
the arsi have inter married with Somalis too. they have a clan called rayitu which is pretty much half Somali. their leaders were the ones leading the salf or somali abbo liberation front.
sayyid Abdullah the mad mullah even lived with the arsi after his rebellion. arsi borders the ogaden too. the arsi live on both sides of the wabi shabelle.
southeast bale is inhabited by pastoralist Somali clans while the rest is arsi oromo lands.

The only Oromos in Harar city are Noole, Ala and Qallu(Sheekash).

Ittu are in western Hararge - carcar. Aniya to the south around Gara Mulata. Afran Qallo border the 2 clans into the Somali region(Jarso fi Akichu).

[Waachis]

Thanks

[Khalid Ali]

Sheikhash my clan of reer samatar is called baha sheikhaasheed sheikaash go beyond harar So I believe there is a connection with both afranqallu and karrayu oromos I am not well versed on oromo subclans but karrayu and afranqallu both are our cousins some where down the line

[St8OuttaDirree]

Sheikhash my clan of reer samatar is called baha sheikhaasheed sheikaash go beyond harar So I believe there is a connection with both afranqallu and karrayu oromos I am not well versed on oromo subclans but karrayu and afranqallu both are our cousins some where down the line

Karrayyu are the eldest amongst Bareentu Oromo. All the Bareentu are related and yes some closer to Somalis.

Bareentu has 5 sons:
Karrayyu..Wallo Oromos fall under this clan.
Marawa(Ittu)
Humbanna(Aniya &Qallo(Afran qallo))
Dhumuga-Arsi
Akichu Proper.

2 Akichu clans, One is Obbora, the second was a Major Bareentuma subclan, now Somali.

[zidane88]

Back in the days, I remember Oborra and Nole being Somalis. Obora=dir and Nole= HA. So Many things has changed.

[Khalid Ali]

Interesting so Barreentu is the .major clan. Wollo is also related to us some how some clans ali Awollo clans

Humbana how many subclans are they.

Akiche I know they are bilingual diredawa they speak both afffaan oromo and somali

Tell me which subclans of oromo border the affars assemaira affars. Also there is berento in north western Eritrea.

[St8OuttaDirree]

Interesting so Barreentu is the .major clan. Wollo is also related to us some how some clans ali Awollo clans

Humbana how many subclans are they.

Akiche I know they are bilingual diredawa they speak both afffaan oromo and somali

Tell me which subclans of oromo border the affars assemaira affars. Also there is berento in north western Eritrea.

Oromos come from 2 major clans, Borana(hangafa/elder) and Bareentuma(junior).

Humbana has 2 subclans, Aniya and Qallo(Afran qallo).

The Karrayyu, Ittu and Wallo border the Afar. Click the link below, read the Barentu portion. It has all the sub clans.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of ... _subgroups

[zumaale]

Back in the days, I remember Oborra and Nole being Somalis. Obora=dir and Nole= HA. So Many things has changed.

Oborra=Dir? I thought only the Akisho/Akichu/Gurre in Oborra were associated with Dir. The Noole are not Hawiye, the Babille are mainly Hawiye as exemplified by their subclans. I have heard different things about the Noole; the Haleele are Harla; the Abuu Nole are Somali (Darood presumably and possibly Dir). I don't know about the Oromo Nole or Mucca Nole.

The Warra Bursuug are full Somali though, don't know about the Warra Hiyyo. The Jarso are a mixed bag, you even have a Warra Absame sub subclan but many of their subclans claim to be Dir.

Harar and dire dawa should be governed by both oromo and Somalis, without it being officially apart of either state. Let both languages be the working languages of both towns or cities.

InshaAllah Finfine stops being a federal Zone and so will Awraja Issa and Gurgura (Dire Dawa). Let us both stick to our respective borders.

[Waachis]

''They are two tribes called Baraytuma and Boran.1 Baraytuma had six children: the eldest was called Karayu, the second Marawa, the third Itu, the fourth Akacu, the fifth Warantisa, the sixth Humbana. The father of Boran was called Sapira. Sapira* begot Daca; Daca begot Mafa; Maca begot Da'ale and Jida ... 1 Baraytuma is also written Bartuma by Bahrey; other forms are Barei- tuma and Barentu. * Sapira may be written here by mistake for Boran. Cf. the last paragraph of this chapter.''

[Works, Volume 107
Hakluyt Society
Kraus Reprint, 1967]

[St8OuttaDirree]

''They are two tribes called Baraytuma and Boran.1 Baraytuma had six children: the eldest was called Karayu, the second Marawa, the third Itu, the fourth Akacu, the fifth Warantisa, the sixth Humbana. The father of Boran was called Sapira. Sapira* begot Daca; Daca begot Mafa; Maca begot Da'ale and Jida ... 1 Baraytuma is also written Bartuma by Bahrey; other forms are Barei- tuma and Barentu. * Sapira may be written here by mistake for Boran. Cf. the last paragraph of this chapter.''

[Works, Volume 107
Hakluyt Society
Kraus Reprint, 1967]

That’s wrong. Ittu is a nickname. The clan is actually Marawa. Warantisha is the name that was used for the Arsi those days.

[Waachis]

''They are two tribes called Baraytuma and Boran.1 Baraytuma had six children: the eldest was called Karayu, the second Marawa, the third Itu, the fourth Akacu, the fifth Warantisa, the sixth Humbana. The father of Boran was called Sapira. Sapira* begot Daca; Daca begot Mafa; Maca begot Da'ale and Jida ... 1 Baraytuma is also written Bartuma by Bahrey; other forms are Barei- tuma and Barentu. * Sapira may be written here by mistake for Boran. Cf. the last paragraph of this chapter.''

[Works, Volume 107
Hakluyt Society
Kraus Reprint, 1967]

That’s wrong. Ittu is a nickname. The clan is actually Marawa. Warantisha is the name that was used for the Arsi those days.

really? hmmm. well, these are europeans, so who did they get this info from is the question