Waaq and Baale old Somali God

[Waachis]

Yes waaq is a galla sky god it's a shared god darood and gallas jointly worshipped. But it has nothing to do with Somaliland or jabuuti.

what about Baalle/Baal

1.Baalle With Baall Ciise Muuse Habar Awal, Isaaq
Reer Axmed Xuseen Mareexaan, Daarood
2.Baall-yeri Word of Baall Awesame Mareexaan, Daarood
3.Ya-Baall Honouring Baall Reer Maxamed Ogaadeen, Daarood
Baahale Ogaadeen,, Daarood
Reer Siyaad Xuseen Mareexaan, Daarood
Ciise Muuse Habar Awal, Isaaq
Agoon-dige Xawaadle, Hawiye
Xasanley Mucle Habargidir, Hawiye
4.Hoom-Baalle Shadow (silhouette) of Baall Maqdaan Tanade, Daarood

Table 2. Waaq in Somali clan-names
Somali Name Meaning Clan
Aar-Waaq Lion of God Abgaal, Hawiye
Amarti-Waaq God’s order Majeerteen, Daarood
At-Waaq Close to God Abgaal, Hawiye
Bar-Waaq Blessed by God Abgaal Hawiye, Dhulbahante Daarood and Ogaadeen Daarood
Bidde-Waaq Servant of God Jidle, Hawiye
Caabud-Waaq Worship God Ogaadeen, Daaroood
Ciq-Waaq Saint of God Abgaal, Hawiye
Dal-Waaq God’s Country Geledi, Raxanweyn
Diinti-Waaq Belief in God Xawaadle, Hawiye
Guddoon-Waaq Judgement of God Majeerteen, Daarood
Gumar-Waaq Plants of God Mareexaan, Daarood
Guud-Waaq Supreme God Ogaadeen Daarood and Xawaadle Hawiye
Ibraahim-Waaq ? Mareexaan, Daarood
Jid-Waaq The path of God Jid-Waaq Daarood
Lixda-Waaqle The Six of God Hadama, Raxanweyn
Magan-Waaq Protected by God Jid-Waaq, Daarood
Miyir-Waaq Serenity of God Mudulood, Hawiye
Naxariis-Waaq God’s forgiveness Murusade, Hawiye
Siin-Waaq Gift from God Ogaadeen, Daarood
Si-Waaq-Roon The True Gift of God Majeerteen, Daarood
Tagaal-Waaq Follow of God Ogaadeen, Daarood
Tala-Waaq Consult God Mudulood, Hawiye
Waaq-bari God of the East Dabarre, Raxanweyn
Waaq-Biyo Water of God Garwaale Raxanweyn and Shiidle
Waaq-Dhaacin Sacrifice offered to God Abgaal and Murusade, Hawiye
Waaq-Dheew Supplication addressed to God Dabarre, Raxanweyn
Waaq-Doorre The Choice of God Hadama, Eelay and Geledi, Raxanweyn
Waaq-Jire Protected by God Sacad Habar-Gidir, Hawiye
Waaq-Le Which God Ajuuraan and Shiidle
Waaq-Maade Invisible God Dabarre, Raxanweyn
Waaq-Mahadle Gratitude to God Jidle, Hawiye
Waaq-Mahadshe Rewarded by God Mareexaan, Daarood
Waaq-NuurQabe Light of God Majeerteen, Daarood
Waaq-Roone Good of God Tanade, Daarood
Waaq-Sheen Given by God Tunni, Raxanweyn
War-Waaq Word of God Habar-Gidir, Hawiye
War-Waaq-Jecle Loves the Word of God Mareexaan, Daarood
War-Waaq-Same Good Word of God Majeerteen, Daarood
Yuusuf-Waaq ? Mareexaan, Daarood


pls no insults Somalis are not Galla, there is no connection between Somalis and Galla two different ethnic groups. Waaq was probably taught to Galla by Somalis, just like Islam was taught to them by Somalis.

how can our children teach us about waaqa, when oromos as far west as the sudanese border area, who did not even know what a somali was/is, also followed the religion?

try harder next time, ya ilma harree

[dalalos101]

in proper somali Baalle means a corner or a side/ . Like saying " Oodweyne way ka baalleysaa Sheekh" Oodweyne is off to the side then Sheekh. Baalle comes from the root , Baal a wing or a feather,.

Well done Sherlock, you just made a literal translation of the word and nothing more.

I think there is more ascribed to this word Baal than just its modern literal interpretation and usage, the meaning ascribed to the word can be made sense of by deconstructing the names in our lineages and it hints at something more than feather, for example I will use Marehan lineage as an example.

Baalyiri, Baal=feather Yiri= spoke(masculine), it doesn't make sense right ? but if Baal was a deity like Waaq it would make more sense Baal=god Yiri=spoke or simply word of god. I think this is closer to the meaning of Baalyiri and it makes sense since few generation later there is another name in Marehan lineage, Warwaaqjecle, it means War=news Waaq=god Jecle=loves in other words Love the word of God. These two names are in close proximity in my lineage and compliment each other God's word and Love the word of God.

An interesting archaeological find I made is, Caabudwaaq, the name of the town in Galgaduud, it means worship god, but quite coincidental is a small Marehan settlement called Baaltaag in the vicinity of Caabudwaaq, Baaltaag we can translate this to as raise god, god mountain, god strenght (1), god ability (1)

Finally Hobaaleye can be deconstructed as well, and this is an old Somali song rhyme, it also indicates some kind of praising of a deity.

[dalalos101]

Yes waaq is a galla sky god it's a shared god darood and gallas jointly worshipped. But it has nothing to do with Somaliland or jabuuti.

what about Baalle/Baal

1.Baalle With Baall Ciise Muuse Habar Awal, Isaaq
Reer Axmed Xuseen Mareexaan, Daarood
2.Baall-yeri Word of Baall Awesame Mareexaan, Daarood
3.Ya-Baall Honouring Baall Reer Maxamed Ogaadeen, Daarood
Baahale Ogaadeen,, Daarood
Reer Siyaad Xuseen Mareexaan, Daarood
Ciise Muuse Habar Awal, Isaaq
Agoon-dige Xawaadle, Hawiye
Xasanley Mucle Habargidir, Hawiye
4.Hoom-Baalle Shadow (silhouette) of Baall Maqdaan Tanade, Daarood

Table 2. Waaq in Somali clan-names
Somali Name Meaning Clan
Aar-Waaq Lion of God Abgaal, Hawiye
Amarti-Waaq God’s order Majeerteen, Daarood
At-Waaq Close to God Abgaal, Hawiye
Bar-Waaq Blessed by God Abgaal Hawiye, Dhulbahante Daarood and Ogaadeen Daarood
Bidde-Waaq Servant of God Jidle, Hawiye
Caabud-Waaq Worship God Ogaadeen, Daaroood
Ciq-Waaq Saint of God Abgaal, Hawiye
Dal-Waaq God’s Country Geledi, Raxanweyn
Diinti-Waaq Belief in God Xawaadle, Hawiye
Guddoon-Waaq Judgement of God Majeerteen, Daarood
Gumar-Waaq Plants of God Mareexaan, Daarood
Guud-Waaq Supreme God Ogaadeen Daarood and Xawaadle Hawiye
Ibraahim-Waaq ? Mareexaan, Daarood
Jid-Waaq The path of God Jid-Waaq Daarood
Lixda-Waaqle The Six of God Hadama, Raxanweyn
Magan-Waaq Protected by God Jid-Waaq, Daarood
Miyir-Waaq Serenity of God Mudulood, Hawiye
Naxariis-Waaq God’s forgiveness Murusade, Hawiye
Siin-Waaq Gift from God Ogaadeen, Daarood
Si-Waaq-Roon The True Gift of God Majeerteen, Daarood
Tagaal-Waaq Follow of God Ogaadeen, Daarood
Tala-Waaq Consult God Mudulood, Hawiye
Waaq-bari God of the East Dabarre, Raxanweyn
Waaq-Biyo Water of God Garwaale Raxanweyn and Shiidle
Waaq-Dhaacin Sacrifice offered to God Abgaal and Murusade, Hawiye
Waaq-Dheew Supplication addressed to God Dabarre, Raxanweyn
Waaq-Doorre The Choice of God Hadama, Eelay and Geledi, Raxanweyn
Waaq-Jire Protected by God Sacad Habar-Gidir, Hawiye
Waaq-Le Which God Ajuuraan and Shiidle
Waaq-Maade Invisible God Dabarre, Raxanweyn
Waaq-Mahadle Gratitude to God Jidle, Hawiye
Waaq-Mahadshe Rewarded by God Mareexaan, Daarood
Waaq-NuurQabe Light of God Majeerteen, Daarood
Waaq-Roone Good of God Tanade, Daarood
Waaq-Sheen Given by God Tunni, Raxanweyn
War-Waaq Word of God Habar-Gidir, Hawiye
War-Waaq-Jecle Loves the Word of God Mareexaan, Daarood
War-Waaq-Same Good Word of God Majeerteen, Daarood
Yuusuf-Waaq ? Mareexaan, Daarood


pls no insults Somalis are not Galla, there is no connection between Somalis and Galla two different ethnic groups. Waaq was probably taught to Galla by Somalis, just like Islam was taught to them by Somalis.

how can our children teach us about waaqa, when oromos as far west as the sudanese border area, who did not even know what a somali was/is, also followed the religion?

try harder next time, ya ilma harree

Somali-Galla relationship has always been a teacher student relationship and I have recites for that. But not in this topic my friend, lets stick to the topic, and discuss what you know about Waaq and Baale from your perspective.

[Waachis]

what about Baalle/Baal

1.Baalle With Baall Ciise Muuse Habar Awal, Isaaq
Reer Axmed Xuseen Mareexaan, Daarood
2.Baall-yeri Word of Baall Awesame Mareexaan, Daarood
3.Ya-Baall Honouring Baall Reer Maxamed Ogaadeen, Daarood
Baahale Ogaadeen,, Daarood
Reer Siyaad Xuseen Mareexaan, Daarood
Ciise Muuse Habar Awal, Isaaq
Agoon-dige Xawaadle, Hawiye
Xasanley Mucle Habargidir, Hawiye
4.Hoom-Baalle Shadow (silhouette) of Baall Maqdaan Tanade, Daarood

Table 2. Waaq in Somali clan-names
Somali Name Meaning Clan
Aar-Waaq Lion of God Abgaal, Hawiye
Amarti-Waaq God’s order Majeerteen, Daarood
At-Waaq Close to God Abgaal, Hawiye
Bar-Waaq Blessed by God Abgaal Hawiye, Dhulbahante Daarood and Ogaadeen Daarood
Bidde-Waaq Servant of God Jidle, Hawiye
Caabud-Waaq Worship God Ogaadeen, Daaroood
Ciq-Waaq Saint of God Abgaal, Hawiye
Dal-Waaq God’s Country Geledi, Raxanweyn
Diinti-Waaq Belief in God Xawaadle, Hawiye
Guddoon-Waaq Judgement of God Majeerteen, Daarood
Gumar-Waaq Plants of God Mareexaan, Daarood
Guud-Waaq Supreme God Ogaadeen Daarood and Xawaadle Hawiye
Ibraahim-Waaq ? Mareexaan, Daarood
Jid-Waaq The path of God Jid-Waaq Daarood
Lixda-Waaqle The Six of God Hadama, Raxanweyn
Magan-Waaq Protected by God Jid-Waaq, Daarood
Miyir-Waaq Serenity of God Mudulood, Hawiye
Naxariis-Waaq God’s forgiveness Murusade, Hawiye
Siin-Waaq Gift from God Ogaadeen, Daarood
Si-Waaq-Roon The True Gift of God Majeerteen, Daarood
Tagaal-Waaq Follow of God Ogaadeen, Daarood
Tala-Waaq Consult God Mudulood, Hawiye
Waaq-bari God of the East Dabarre, Raxanweyn
Waaq-Biyo Water of God Garwaale Raxanweyn and Shiidle
Waaq-Dhaacin Sacrifice offered to God Abgaal and Murusade, Hawiye
Waaq-Dheew Supplication addressed to God Dabarre, Raxanweyn
Waaq-Doorre The Choice of God Hadama, Eelay and Geledi, Raxanweyn
Waaq-Jire Protected by God Sacad Habar-Gidir, Hawiye
Waaq-Le Which God Ajuuraan and Shiidle
Waaq-Maade Invisible God Dabarre, Raxanweyn
Waaq-Mahadle Gratitude to God Jidle, Hawiye
Waaq-Mahadshe Rewarded by God Mareexaan, Daarood
Waaq-NuurQabe Light of God Majeerteen, Daarood
Waaq-Roone Good of God Tanade, Daarood
Waaq-Sheen Given by God Tunni, Raxanweyn
War-Waaq Word of God Habar-Gidir, Hawiye
War-Waaq-Jecle Loves the Word of God Mareexaan, Daarood
War-Waaq-Same Good Word of God Majeerteen, Daarood
Yuusuf-Waaq ? Mareexaan, Daarood


pls no insults Somalis are not Galla, there is no connection between Somalis and Galla two different ethnic groups. Waaq was probably taught to Galla by Somalis, just like Islam was taught to them by Somalis.

how can our children teach us about waaqa, when oromos as far west as the sudanese border area, who did not even know what a somali was/is, also followed the religion?

try harder next time, ya ilma harree

Somali-Galla relationship has always been a teacher student relationship and I have recites for that. But not in this topic my friend, lets stick to the topic, and discuss what you know about Waaq and Baale from your perspective.

neighbors tend to rub off on each other, or influence each other; but to imply it's been an one-sided teach/learn process from somali to oromo is a lie.
outright lie.
i already refuted your claim, because my clan on my fathers side do not meet somalis anywhere, never did, yet followed the traditional religion and worshiped Waaqa.

baale is the original home of oromos, according to our oral traditions and scholars.
baale is where we expanded in all directions, but especially north and north west, to take back lands that the arab=habesha tribes took from our ancestors.
arsi oromo mostly inhabit baale.



‘’Baale Harari duri fagoo
Amm Moiyaleen wal bira.
Naga Nageelle Borana
Harari baalet nuu hima!
(Bale and Harar were once far away;
But now they are nearer to Moyale.
Convey greetings of peace from Nageelle of Boran to the people of Harar and Bale)]

[dalalos101]

how can our children teach us about waaqa, when oromos as far west as the sudanese border area, who did not even know what a somali was/is, also followed the religion?

try harder next time, ya ilma harree

Somali-Galla relationship has always been a teacher student relationship and I have recites for that. But not in this topic my friend, lets stick to the topic, and discuss what you know about Waaq and Baale from your perspective.

neighbors tend to rub off on each other, or influence each other; but to imply it's been an one-sided teach/learn process from somali to oromo is a lie.
outright lie.
i already refuted your claim, because my clan on my fathers side do not meet somalis anywhere, never did, yet followed the traditional religion and worshiped Waaqa.

baale is the original home of oromos, according to our oral traditions and scholars.
baale is where we expanded in all directions, but especially north and north west, to take back lands that the arab=habesha tribes took from our ancestors.
arsi oromo mostly inhabit baale.



‘’Baale Harari duri fagoo
Amm Moiyaleen wal bira.
Naga Nageelle Borana
Harari baalet nuu hima!
(Bale and Harar were once far away;
But now they are nearer to Moyale.
Convey greetings of peace from Nageelle of Boran to the people of Harar and Bale)]

You already admitted that you are descendants of Borana who are neighbours of Somalis, and places like baale are also neighbouring somalis.

You are a student of a student, just because you did not have direct connection with Somalis, our wisdom reached you.

No Somali wants anything to do with Waaq or Baale, Somalis are constantly moving forward spiritually, however this thread is about history of ancient Somalis and remnants in our genealogy, language and folklore even names of places all across Somali lands.

So once again, do not make this thread all about you, clearly you suffer from an inferiority complex towards Somalis.

[Waachis]

Somali-Galla relationship has always been a teacher student relationship and I have recites for that. But not in this topic my friend, lets stick to the topic, and discuss what you know about Waaq and Baale from your perspective.

neighbors tend to rub off on each other, or influence each other; but to imply it's been an one-sided teach/learn process from somali to oromo is a lie.
outright lie.
i already refuted your claim, because my clan on my fathers side do not meet somalis anywhere, never did, yet followed the traditional religion and worshiped Waaqa.

baale is the original home of oromos, according to our oral traditions and scholars.
baale is where we expanded in all directions, but especially north and north west, to take back lands that the arab=habesha tribes took from our ancestors.
arsi oromo mostly inhabit baale.



‘’Baale Harari duri fagoo
Amm Moiyaleen wal bira.
Naga Nageelle Borana
Harari baalet nuu hima!
(Bale and Harar were once far away;
But now they are nearer to Moyale.
Convey greetings of peace from Nageelle of Boran to the people of Harar and Bale)]

You already admitted that you are descendants of Borana who are neighbours of Somalis, and places like baale are also neighbouring somalis.

You are a student of a student, just because you did not have direct connection with Somalis, our wisdom reached you.

No Somali wants anything to do with Waaq or Baale, Somalis are constantly moving forward spiritually, however this thread is about history of ancient Somalis and remnants in our genealogy, language and folklore even names of places all across Somali lands.

So once again, do not make this thread all about you, clearly you suffer from an inferiority complex towards Somalis.

yes but the borana branch we came from, were in baale.
madda walabu is the home of the oromo, including my clan, the mighty maccaa.

we never knew somalis existed in my fathers clans area, to be honest, so there's no way you taught us our own traditional religion.
even Islam, came to us from merchants from gondar, in northern ethiopia.

i do not suffer from any so called inferiority complex, especially since the only successful clans of somalis, are in SL.
the rest, need to take notes from big brother Isaaq.

but when u lie about oromo and demean them, expect me to reply in-kind. simple as that.

here are some links on somalis and waaqa:

https://www.mereja.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=92420




''In Oromo culture, Waaq or Waaqo denotes the single god of the early monotheistic faith believed to have been adhered to by Cushitic groups. This belief system still somewhat exists in some Oromo societies.[1]

With regard to the Muslim Somalis, since no indigenous spiritual group has survived, no ancient deities and spirits are known. Early beliefs can therefore only be hypothesized from certain customs and words, such as waaq (sky-god), an archaic Somali term for god. Also In Somalia there are many clans and places called Waaq like Ceel Waaq which mean the Well of God , Caabud Waaq means where God worshipped. Some Somali clans still have Waaq names like Jid Waaq clan. Also there many Somali language use Waaq names like BarWaaqo which means when the land is filled with grass and water.''

Mohamed Diriye Abdullahi, Culture and Customs of Somalia, (Greenwood Publishing Group: 2001), p.65.


http://en.lisapoyakama.org/the-spiritua ... e-somalis/

https://books.google.com/books?id=P5AZy ... qa&f=false


(apparently, the wild but nonetheless noble and brave, Hawiye, use the term Waaq?)

[dalalos101]

neighbors tend to rub off on each other, or influence each other; but to imply it's been an one-sided teach/learn process from somali to oromo is a lie.
outright lie.
i already refuted your claim, because my clan on my fathers side do not meet somalis anywhere, never did, yet followed the traditional religion and worshiped Waaqa.

baale is the original home of oromos, according to our oral traditions and scholars.
baale is where we expanded in all directions, but especially north and north west, to take back lands that the arab=habesha tribes took from our ancestors.
arsi oromo mostly inhabit baale.



‘’Baale Harari duri fagoo
Amm Moiyaleen wal bira.
Naga Nageelle Borana
Harari baalet nuu hima!
(Bale and Harar were once far away;
But now they are nearer to Moyale.
Convey greetings of peace from Nageelle of Boran to the people of Harar and Bale)]

You already admitted that you are descendants of Borana who are neighbours of Somalis, and places like baale are also neighbouring somalis.

You are a student of a student, just because you did not have direct connection with Somalis, our wisdom reached you.

No Somali wants anything to do with Waaq or Baale, Somalis are constantly moving forward spiritually, however this thread is about history of ancient Somalis and remnants in our genealogy, language and folklore even names of places all across Somali lands.

So once again, do not make this thread all about you, clearly you suffer from an inferiority complex towards Somalis.

yes but the borana branch we came from, were in baale.
madda walabu is the home of the oromo, including my clan, the mighty maccaa.

we never knew somalis existed in my fathers clans area, to be honest, so there's no way you taught us our own traditional religion.
even Islam, came to us from merchants from gondar, in northern ethiopia.

i do not suffer from any so called inferiority complex, especially since the only successful clans of somalis, are in SL.
the rest, need to take notes from big brother Isaaq.

but when u lie about oromo and demean them, expect me to reply in-kind. simple as that.

You claim Boran because you know they share ancestry with Somalis, the latest studies show 60% which is still lower than other nationalities such as Saho +70% Tigre +80% Berbers in Tunisia 100% other Berbers in Moroco and Algeria +90%

You are not our ancestor 50% of you are not even related to us ffs. I don't consider Berber my kin and they are far more related to me than you, what you are is an agew nilotic galla person with inferiority complex.

[Togdeer]

Somali word for God is Ebow (Eebow), I believe waaq and baale are not isaaq. Isaaq did not exist before the Arab expansion. That’s why most Isaaq have Muslim names being the majority in there lineage and some common Somali names. Xplayer proved that Baale has a different meaning. Isaaq have always been Muslim and never worshipped anything apart from Allah. We come from the sheikh who spread Islam across the horn.

[dalalos101]

Somali word for God is Ebow (Eebow), I believe waaq and baale are not isaaq. Isaaq did not exist before the Arab expansion. That’s why most Isaaq have Muslim names being the majority in there lineage and some common Somali names. Xplayer proved that Baale has a different meaning. Isaaq have always been Muslim and never worshipped anything apart from Allah. We come from the sheikh who spread Islam across the horn.

Arab worshiped hundreds of Pagan idols before Allah, and Arabs used to bury their new born girls in the desert. Before the Prophet they were low life desert dwellers, yes you Isaac are believed to have come from them I agree.

Xplayer just interpreted the word literally from a modern Somali perspective. I claimed this Baal feather has more meaning and probably the name of a deity, these names in Somali lineages are theophoric in nature and ascribe a deity like attribute to Baal which means feather, it is quite obvious.

He also made erroneous suggestion that Baal of the christians/jews who is pronounced Bacal is the same as the Somali Baal, I disagree with this categorically he has not evidenced his claim at all, the Jews themselves attest to the fact that name of god was Baal in different cultures in ancient times, and in their own tradition they continued to refer to God as Baal until much later they decided it was heresy as it shares too much resemblance with the Bacal worshiped by the evil king of isreal who prophet Eliyaas fought against, for them it was PR campaign to erase their own negative history, it has nothing to do with Somali Baal or Somali concept of God.


And interesting note to make is there are monuments of people praising Baal in Berber lands the very same people we share ancestral genetic ties with, and in this monuments a large feather is held in one hand in the depiction, these monuments are not dated precisely but are estimated to predate any other Baal monument and are attributed to either Middle eastern Baal of old Canaan religions or Ancient Egyptian Baal, but one thing is for certain the middle eastern Baal is nothing short of an Idol as it is not depicting a person praising Baal but Baal or Bacal as they call it himself. I repeat there is several different Baals throughout history.

during the New kingdom, the ancient egyptian visited Punt and called it the land of their ancestors the land of god. around this same time Baal was made the principle God in their state religion, In my opinion the hypothesis of that African Baal originator might be in Punt is more accurate, these other Baals are most likely unrelated or at best perversions, derived from the original Baal of Africa passed over different cultures Greeks, Romans, Jews etc who have lost the original meaning.

[St8OuttaDirree]

Dalalos101 - Oromos did not learn about Waaq/Waaqa from Somalis or vis versa. It’s something that we all believed in amongst Cushitic speaking peoples in the horn.

Regardless of the mixtures Oromos of today have, our ancestors have kept this belief intact and so have neighboring ethnicities. At one point deep down the line we had a common ancestor or common group we descended from.

Waaq is very old, I belive it was sent to our neck of the woods(HOA) to teach us of monotheistic belief in god, but eventually the message and belief changed a bit. As every nation was sent a messenger I belive the belief of Waaq was of that stock. It believes in the one god(sky god now) and some other things. I could be wrong, just an opinion.

[dalalos101]

Dalalos101 - Oromos did not learn about Waaq/Waaqa from Somalis or vis versa. It’s something that we all believed in amongst Cushitic speaking peoples in the horn.

Regardless of the mixtures Oromos of today have, our ancestors have kept this belief intact and so have neighboring ethnicities. At one point deep down the line we had a common ancestor or common group we descended from.

Waaq is very old, I belive it was sent to our neck of the woods(HOA) to teach us of monotheistic belief in god, but eventually the message and belief changed a bit. As every nation was sent a messenger I belive the belief of Waaq was of that stock. It believes in the one god(sky god now) and some other things. I could be wrong, just an opinion.

What is the origin stories of Waaq, what is the mission statement of Waaq, how is it practiced. Divulge some information so we may learn more about the God of old.

Yes it is possible that the religion of Waaq could be a pre-Muhammad form of Islam, just like the religion of Moses and Ahlu Kitab, indeed many prophets were sent, to the nations of mankind.

What does belief of Waaq have to do with language groups like Cushetic, people always confuse language groups with racial groups , dont add religion into the mix.

[St8OuttaDirree]

Dalalos101 - Oromos did not learn about Waaq/Waaqa from Somalis or vis versa. It’s something that we all believed in amongst Cushitic speaking peoples in the horn.

Regardless of the mixtures Oromos of today have, our ancestors have kept this belief intact and so have neighboring ethnicities. At one point deep down the line we had a common ancestor or common group we descended from.

Waaq is very old, I belive it was sent to our neck of the woods(HOA) to teach us of monotheistic belief in god, but eventually the message and belief changed a bit. As every nation was sent a messenger I belive the belief of Waaq was of that stock. It believes in the one god(sky god now) and some other things. I could be wrong, just an opinion.

What is the origin stories of Waaq, what is the mission statement of Waaq, how is it practiced. Divulge some information so we may learn more about the God of old.

Yes it is possible that the religion of Waaq could be a pre-Muhammad form of Islam, just like the religion of Moses and Ahlu Kitab, indeed many prophets were sent, to the nations of mankind.

What does belief of Waaq have to do with language groups like Cushetic, people always confuse language groups with racial groups , dont add religion into the mix.

I’d need dig in deeper as no Oromo beside the ones that practice waaqefta know much.

Different ethnicities that speak a Cushitic language practice waaqefta and belive in Waaq as well. People in the south bordering Borana.

[AbdiWahab252]

Baal was the Calf good worshipped in Canaan and Egypt. I doubt he commanded worshippers in the Horn.

However, Waaq did and continues to have adherents. I find it fascinating that we were monotheists while the Arabs were running around worshipping hundreds of gods.

Straight is right about Somalis and Oromos having a common ancestors and also due to common cultural habits albeit under the assault of Arabization.

The Somalis who rejected Islaam were slaughtered and expelled to the periphery. Groups like the Sakuye, Rendillle, Gabra were left to continue their Waaqist ways. Those who Islamized were eager to break ties with the old ways going as far as to remake their lineage to line up with the Arab missionary who converted them eg Darood Issaq, Asharaf etc.

[Togdeer]

Somali word for God is Ebow (Eebow), I believe waaq and baale are not isaaq. Isaaq did not exist before the Arab expansion. That’s why most Isaaq have Muslim names being the majority in there lineage and some common Somali names. Xplayer proved that Baale has a different meaning. Isaaq have always been Muslim and never worshipped anything apart from Allah. We come from the sheikh who spread Islam across the horn.

Arab worshiped hundreds of Pagan idols before Allah, and Arabs used to bury their new born girls in the desert. Before the Prophet they were low life desert dwellers, yes you Isaac are believed to have come from them I agree.

Xplayer just interpreted the word literally from a modern Somali perspective. I claimed this Baal feather has more meaning and probably the name of a deity, these names in Somali lineages are theophoric in nature and ascribe a deity like attribute to Baal which means feather, it is quite obvious.

He also made erroneous suggestion that Baal of the christians/jews who is pronounced Bacal is the same as the Somali Baal, I disagree with this categorically he has not evidenced his claim at all, the Jews themselves attest to the fact that name of god was Baal in different cultures in ancient times, and in their own tradition they continued to refer to God as Baal until much later they decided it was heresy as it shares too much resemblance with the Bacal worshiped by the evil king of isreal who prophet Eliyaas fought against, for them it was PR campaign to erase their own negative history, it has nothing to do with Somali Baal or Somali concept of God.


And interesting note to make is there are monuments of people praising Baal in Berber lands the very same people we share ancestral genetic ties with, and in this monuments a large feather is held in one hand in the depiction, these monuments are not dated precisely but are estimated to predate any other Baal monument and are attributed to either Middle eastern Baal of old Canaan religions or Ancient Egyptian Baal, but one thing is for certain the middle eastern Baal is nothing short of an Idol as it is not depicting a person praising Baal but Baal or Bacal as they call it himself. I repeat there is several different Baals throughout history.

during the New kingdom, the ancient egyptian visited Punt and called it the land of their ancestors the land of god. around this same time Baal was made the principle God in their state religion, In my opinion the hypothesis of that African Baal originator might be in Punt is more accurate, these other Baals are most likely unrelated or at best perversions, derived from the original Baal of Africa passed over different cultures Greeks, Romans, Jews etc who have lost the original meaning.

Somalis especially in the north became Muslims before most Arabs. At the time of the prophet (PBUH) when the Muslims migrated to Abyssinia they landed in modern day Eritrea and went to Axum northern Ethiopia. It is believed that some of them went to modern day somaliland.
Did you know apart from the 3 holy mosques the oldest mosques are 2 that were built around the same time. 1 in Eritrea and the other in zaylac. The mosque in zaylac is from the 6th century, it has 2 minarets 1 facing qudus, the other facing Mecca. During the 6th century most Arabs were not Muslim, Islam was still expanding and had not reached most places.

[Waachis]

You already admitted that you are descendants of Borana who are neighbours of Somalis, and places like baale are also neighbouring somalis.

You are a student of a student, just because you did not have direct connection with Somalis, our wisdom reached you.

No Somali wants anything to do with Waaq or Baale, Somalis are constantly moving forward spiritually, however this thread is about history of ancient Somalis and remnants in our genealogy, language and folklore even names of places all across Somali lands.

So once again, do not make this thread all about you, clearly you suffer from an inferiority complex towards Somalis.

yes but the borana branch we came from, were in baale.
madda walabu is the home of the oromo, including my clan, the mighty maccaa.

we never knew somalis existed in my fathers clans area, to be honest, so there's no way you taught us our own traditional religion.
even Islam, came to us from merchants from gondar, in northern ethiopia.

i do not suffer from any so called inferiority complex, especially since the only successful clans of somalis, are in SL.
the rest, need to take notes from big brother Isaaq.

but when u lie about oromo and demean them, expect me to reply in-kind. simple as that.

You claim Boran because you know they share ancestry with Somalis, the latest studies show 60% which is still lower than other nationalities such as Saho +70% Tigre +80% Berbers in Tunisia 100% other Berbers in Moroco and Algeria +90%

You are not our ancestor 50% of you are not even related to us ffs. I don't consider Berber my kin and they are far more related to me than you, what you are is an agew nilotic galla person with inferiority complex.

i do not care about sharing ancestry with somalis bro. they are no better or worse than oromos.
the only way any of us can be better than the other, is on an individual basis, and it's based on DIIN/RELIGION.
so if u are a better Muslim, then you truly superior. if not, then u have no reason to brag.
tole? eshi?

somalis, much like oromos, are a confederation of peoples bro.