How did 3 men's offspring populate majority of the Somali land ?

[zumaale]

We have been selling slaves to Arabs since what 16 century in berbera mostly zinjis aswads timmoadag ama jareerweyne. And other parts of Somaliland . Where do you get the idea 80 percent of Somalis Carrey same dna who did this dna testing. History and culture is intertwined. Beja saho and afars are different ethnic groups than Somalis they have a different story. J1j2 t2 t1 these are all genetic haplogroup j2 originated in Russia not even in the Arabian peninsula. Jews Carrey both j1 and e1b1 what Somali Carrey some Germanic tribes some slavish and Balkan folks from Slovenia and croatia and Bosnia 2. The t1 is found in Kuwait and parts of the hijaas and in Iran. It really proves nothing. I only agree one thing Somali language is very old. Maybe as old as the laasgeel paintings if not older. 5000 year bc. Afka Somaligu wa qaadimi wana hodan. I know we in Somaliland send a delegation to Egypt to upper ancient Egyptian kingdom.

The E1b1b (E-V32) subclade of Somalis is different to the ones that went to Europe in ancient times. Even the Jewsh E1b1b stereotypical subclades are not commonly found among Somalis. The Somalis/Horners that can claim some sort of connection to Eurasia are those that mainly belong to J or T haplogroup, the rest waa African.

[dalalos101]

Zumale

1. I agree we are most likely not from europe, probably not from middle east either although there is possibility of back migration.
2. The oldest fossils found having the E1b1b1 were found in Egypt, Levant and Ethiopia.
3. The only nation with majority E1b1b1 is Somalia, with Moroco coming second place
4. This effectively makes Somali, Amazigh E1b1b1 languages

The splinter groups of these two tribes who have their own language although mixed with others would be Toureg, Borena, Nubians, Beja, etc

the splinter populations that are completely absorbed by other languages and cultures would be found in Middle east, Europe and Subsaharan Africa.

V32 is a subclade of E1b1b1, and it is predominant among Somalis, to a lesser extend among Beja and Borena, this would suggest that the two latter tribes are a splinter group of Somalis not the other way around.

Further more V32 has had further studies done on its subclades, but it has not been named yet, this subclade is 99% Somali and is approximately 4000-2000 years old, I can confidently say this is the founder of the Somali language, culture and identity, if not a Somali one of many who would later split up and form different groups like Beja, Borena, while the majority remained Somali.

As for T and J1/J2 the population of Somalis with these haplogroups are negligible, and are absorbed into Somali identity, this haplogroup is not important for this topic because we are discussing origin myths and founders of Somali identity.

[dalalos101]

We have been selling slaves to Arabs since what 16 century in berbera mostly zinjis aswads timmoadag ama jareerweyne. And other parts of Somaliland . Where do you get the idea 80 percent of Somalis Carrey same dna who did this dna testing. History and culture is intertwined. Beja saho and afars are different ethnic groups than Somalis they have a different story. J1j2 t2 t1 these are all genetic haplogroup j2 originated in Russia not even in the Arabian peninsula. Jews Carrey both j1 and e1b1 what Somali Carrey some Germanic tribes some slavish and Balkan folks from Slovenia and croatia and Bosnia 2. The t1 is found in Kuwait and parts of the hijaas and in Iran. It really proves nothing. I only agree one thing Somali language is very old. Maybe as old as the laasgeel paintings if not older. 5000 year bc. Afka Somaligu wa qaadimi wana hodan. I know we in Somaliland send a delegation to Egypt to upper ancient Egyptian kingdom.

In any DNA study, samples are taking from populations, probably 100s or 1000s of people, and these samples paint a picture for the rest, so far I have seen samples taken from all the main tribes Hawiye, Isaac, Darood, and they all had the same results. The only divergent is J and T haplogroups found in some Dir, some Daroods, but they are an anomaly and do not paint the picture of Somali genetic makeup.

Yes the Ancient Egyptians had their own Origin myth that pointed to present day Somaliland, and this land they called Punt, successive rulers of ancient egypt believed in this myth, until the New Kingdom when Egypt became really powerful and expanded its borders, they sent ships along the red sea and came to the land beyond Kush which had population of people resembling them in culture and in phenotype as depicted by their drawings, this affirmed their origin myth, and they traded with Punt.

E1b1b1 is large group of people, it includes everything from Africans, Arabs, Europeans, Jews, but it is most dominant in North East Africa particularly Somalia and Moroco.

If Egypt were not invaded by pretty much Europeans, people from the Levant, Persians and finally Arabs, it would probably have the highest population of E1b1b1, but we have nowhere to tell whether this population would be closer related to Berbers who are their neighbors or Somalis who their say are their ancestors, or even Nubians who used to rule ancient egypt with them.

[Khalid Ali]

If you go back 50pop year back every one is related through human migrations invasions indo Aryan cyrus The great invading the northern part of India. The Assyrians dominating Babylon and Israel if you go way back the mederenian countries had Neanderthals very unmodern humanide bone structure they had. As for Egypt and Somaliland had very good ties they called us the land of the gods. We had allot of trade ties especially with the 3rd and second empires. Berbers turaq in mali Mauritania and others in xussema nador in the imazigh land are also some how related to us but this 6000 years ago. But allot of Morocco Jews have te same DNA as barberaawis imazigh inhabbitants of makhreb.

[Jaamacbuuhoodle]

1. Isaac ibn Ahmed 1400 CE

2. Darood Al jeberti dated earlier than 1400 CE

3. Hawiye relative to the birth date of Darood

Adeer daarood al jeberti waa maxay ?
Awoowgay Magaciisa saxda ah Waa xaji daarood ismaaciil waxu ahaa nin asalkiisa african ah waligii ma ahayn nin carab ah , ma sheekada wadaada ogaadeen soo saaray 250-sano kahor ee ah daarood waa carab kana ah reer qureesh baad run mooday !
Waa sax mar buu ku noola dalka yamen sababtu u tagay ilaahay baa og laakin asalkiisu markasta waxu kasoo jeeday east africa oo u markii danbe kusoo labtay dhulkiisa .
marka adeer taariikhda odayga haku ciyaarin

[Jaamacbuuhoodle]

If you go back 50pop year back every one is related through human migrations invasions indo Aryan cyrus The great invading the northern part of India. The Assyrians dominating Babylon and Israel if you go way back the mederenian countries had Neanderthals very unmodern humanide bone structure they had. As for Egypt and Somaliland had very good ties they called us the land of the gods. We had allot of trade ties especially with the 3rd and second empires. Berbers turaq in mali Mauritania and others in xussema nador in the imazigh land are also some how related to us but this 6000 years ago. But allot of Morocco Jews have te same DNA as barberaawis imazigh inhabbitants of makhreb.

Adigu waxaad tahay habar awal oo asalkooda beesha oromo ah , xagee baad iskaga dartay umadda soomaaliyeed ?
Orod oo tolka OROMO la sheekayso

odaygii soomaaliyeed Shiikh isaxaaq magaciisa ciyaarta ka daaya ee oromada ku noola gobolka waqooyi galbeed diinta islaamka baray

[dalalos101]

1. Isaac ibn Ahmed 1400 CE

2. Darood Al jeberti dated earlier than 1400 CE

3. Hawiye relative to the birth date of Darood

Adeer daarood al jeberti waa maxay ?
Awoowgay Magaciisa saxda ah Waa xaji daarood ismaaciil waxu ahaa nin asalkiisa african ah waligii ma ahayn nin carab ah , ma sheekada wadaada ogaadeen soo saaray 250-sano kahor ee ah daarood waa carab kana ah reer qureesh baad run mooday !
Waa sax mar buu ku noola dalka yamen sababtu u tagay ilaahay baa og laakin asalkiisu markasta waxu kasoo jeeday east africa oo u markii danbe kusoo labtay dhulkiisa .
marka adeer taariikhda odayga haku ciyaarin

All I said is the dominant genetic marker is shared by majority of Somali males, this means that we all had common recent ancestry 4000-2000 all the major clans.

Some fake historians try to claim a man who traveled from arabia is the ancestor of major Somali clans. Its absolute nonsense, at best Darood, Isaac were Somali men who did business, haj or studied in the arab world and returned, at worst, they are fictitious characters meant to confuse Somalis.


the Somali identity predates Islam, and Somalis accepted Islam without war or conflict.

[dalalos101]

By the way people need to understand there is 2 different types of Arabs thousands of years ago, the Arab who was Arab by tongue and the Arab who was Arab by ethnicity, The Quraysh were Arab by tongue only, they are not necessarily J1/J2 and the King of Jordan claims descendant from them however he is J1 I think, but what I can tell you is Somalis are neither of them, although one could say we are related to the Arab of tongue like Quraysh but there is no proof for that, there is no genetic evidence of what haplogroup Quraysh were, and because the Arab had Fitna wars early on and many claimed to be hashmite to become caliph we have no clue what the genetics of Quraysh are, all we know is in 2018 the most dominant haplogroup is J1 J2 and only in Hejaz and red sea zones do you find E1b1b1

[Khalid Ali]

Oromadu horta Addis abbaba iyo Nazareth iyo doofaar ismaciil wey mamuulaand gallas are indeed stronger much more noble than doofaar ismaciil. Like jamac qurjiile. Who is actually my subject

[Almakhzumi]

By the way people need to understand there is 2 different types of Arabs thousands of years ago, the Arab who was Arab by tongue and the Arab who was Arab by ethnicity, The Quraysh were Arab by tongue only, they are not necessarily J1/J2 and the King of Jordan claims descendant from them however he is J1 I think, but what I can tell you is Somalis are neither of them, although one could say we are related to the Arab of tongue like Quraysh but there is no proof for that, there is no genetic evidence of what haplogroup Quraysh were, and because the Arab had Fitna wars early on and many claimed to be hashmite to become caliph we have no clue what the genetics of Quraysh are, all we know is in 2018 the most dominant haplogroup is J1 J2 and only in Hejaz and red sea zones do you find E1b1b1

Eveeyone claims banu hashim these days, so its impossible to know what haplogroup the quraysh belong to. Because who do you set as the marker? The ba'alawi of Tarim? Or the Hassanites? There are thousands of other families around the world.

I think the J2 haplogroup originates from the levant areas.

[dalalos101]

By the way people need to understand there is 2 different types of Arabs thousands of years ago, the Arab who was Arab by tongue and the Arab who was Arab by ethnicity, The Quraysh were Arab by tongue only, they are not necessarily J1/J2 and the King of Jordan claims descendant from them however he is J1 I think, but what I can tell you is Somalis are neither of them, although one could say we are related to the Arab of tongue like Quraysh but there is no proof for that, there is no genetic evidence of what haplogroup Quraysh were, and because the Arab had Fitna wars early on and many claimed to be hashmite to become caliph we have no clue what the genetics of Quraysh are, all we know is in 2018 the most dominant haplogroup is J1 J2 and only in Hejaz and red sea zones do you find E1b1b1

Eveeyone claims banu hashim these days, so its impossible to know what haplogroup the quraysh belong to. Because who do you set as the marker? The ba'alawi of Tarim? Or the Hassanites? There are thousands of other families around the world.

I think the J2 haplogroup originates from the levant areas.

Yeah I remember this young Habar Awal kid claiming J2 or J1 was the haplogroup for Quraysh because the king of Jordan who has lineage that goes to the Prophets cousin, but my question to the kid was how do you know if he is not a pretender, as history teaches us there were many pretenders to that lineage as it would give them some kind of legitimacy in the eyes of Islamic world. But I have 2 clear cut indication that the Quraysh could not have been J1 or J2 because.

1. Quraysh are not ethnic Arabs but only Arabic speakers
2. The real Arabs have been invading Quraysh lands for centuries during the Fitna wars, since the inception of Islam Quraysh have been at war with themselves and ethnic Arabs and this has continued until 1900s when Saud and Abdulwahab invaded and conquered hejaz, Quraysh have literally been targeted for the last 1000 years and pretenders have killed them and pretended to be them, Shia Islam is build on this, and even Sunni Ethnic arabs have been doing the same as well.

I do not claim Qurayshi men fathered Somali population, that is absurd which is why I dispel this myth from the get go, but do not get confused, Arabs and even non Arabs pretty much majority of them claim Quraysh today, the reality is Quraysh are probably more related to ancient egyptians than they are to ethnic Arabs, but have just lived with them for thousands of years.

the J haplogroup is from Sham, it spread to Hejaz and Europe but it is definitely not a Qurayshi Haplogroup, they just claim it as such

[zumaale]

Zumale

1. I agree we are most likely not from europe, probably not from middle east either although there is possibility of back migration.
2. The oldest fossils found having the E1b1b1 were found in Egypt, Levant and Ethiopia.
3. The only nation with majority E1b1b1 is Somalia, with Moroco coming second place
4. This effectively makes Somali, Amazigh E1b1b1 languages

The splinter groups of these two tribes who have their own language although mixed with others would be Toureg, Borena, Nubians, Beja, etc

the splinter populations that are completely absorbed by other languages and cultures would be found in Middle east, Europe and Subsaharan Africa.

V32 is a subclade of E1b1b1, and it is predominant among Somalis, to a lesser extend among Beja and Borena, this would suggest that the two latter tribes are a splinter group of Somalis not the other way around.

Further more V32 has had further studies done on its subclades, but it has not been named yet, this subclade is 99% Somali and is approximately 4000-2000 years old, I can confidently say this is the founder of the Somali language, culture and identity, if not a Somali one of many who would later split up and form different groups like Beja, Borena, while the majority remained Somali.

As for T and J1/J2 the population of Somalis with these haplogroups are negligible, and are absorbed into Somali identity, this haplogroup is not important for this topic because we are discussing origin myths and founders of Somali identity.

Firstly, there is nothing like E1b1b Languages. Both Somali and the Berber Amazigh Languages belong to Afro-Asiatic which spans both the Middle East and Africa, and cannot be attributed to a particular haplogroup. Somali is also not an old 'tribe', did you miss the part where I stated the foundation myth of the Somali is associated with the mythical ancestor of the Samaale people (Samaale)? Oromos, Beja etc are not splinter groups of the Somalis/Samaales because the Samaale identity does not precede the existence of these ethnic groups. Many E-V32 Somalis obviously share a lineage with Semitic and Cushitic speaking ethnic groups that harbour the E-V32 subclade but it is not yet known when they genetically split up from each other. Your claim of a subclade exclusive to Somalis and not other neighbouring Horner ethnic groups that possess E-V32 is also not backed up by any academic paper. Like I said before, only when more Somalis and Horners do the Big Y test, will we have a better picture. For all we know, some of the Somali E-V32 individuals might be closely related to the Semitic speaking E-V32 Horners whilst others might be more closely related to the Cushitic speaking ones.


Your claim that studies have been done on Somali clans etc. in your reply to Khalid is also false. Furthermore, none of those studies have also sampled more than a few hundred people either. There has been no representative study on Samaales, Daroods, Digil Mirifle etc. Even the individuals on websites such as 23andme and FTDNA are not representative of the inhabitants of Somaliweyn as diaspora Somalis are not a fair of representation of Somalis back home. It is way too soon to be making assertive statements about the y-dna of Somali clans. Nonetheless, I do agree that E-V32 is the most widespread haplogroup among Somalis but T-Y16897 is not negligible especially in Northern Somalia/K5/Djibouti.

Lastly, it is the founding father Samaale patriarch that we owe our name, and it is arguable that most Somali speakers trace their lineage to him. The rest are similar to Adnanite Arabs in that they are Somali through adoption but not by being descended from the mythical Samaale ancestor. For instance, your clan claims to have a matrilineal connection with Somalis hence why you identifiy with the Samaale clans by claiming to be Somali instead of the Djabarti identity your are commonly associated with by other Somalis.

[Jaamacbuuhoodle]

Oromadu horta Addis abbaba iyo Nazareth iyo doofaar ismaciil wey mamuulaand gallas are indeed stronger much more noble than doofaar ismaciil. Like jamac qurjiile. Who is actually my subject

habar awal oo faanaysa walaahi waa akhiro zamaan
Waxaan jeclaan lahaa habar awal iyo dhulbahante dagaal beeleed dhex maro oo iidoorka kale ka dhex baxo hadii taaso dhacdo ,
huuno waligeed xagee bay xabad qori ka riday ?
(Dagaalka inaan naago kufsado ayaan isoo diyaarin lahaa )
Dagaalkii wasmo ayaa waqooyiga somalia ka dhici lahaa

[dalalos101]

Zumale

1. I agree we are most likely not from europe, probably not from middle east either although there is possibility of back migration.
2. The oldest fossils found having the E1b1b1 were found in Egypt, Levant and Ethiopia.
3. The only nation with majority E1b1b1 is Somalia, with Moroco coming second place
4. This effectively makes Somali, Amazigh E1b1b1 languages

The splinter groups of these two tribes who have their own language although mixed with others would be Toureg, Borena, Nubians, Beja, etc

the splinter populations that are completely absorbed by other languages and cultures would be found in Middle east, Europe and Subsaharan Africa.

V32 is a subclade of E1b1b1, and it is predominant among Somalis, to a lesser extend among Beja and Borena, this would suggest that the two latter tribes are a splinter group of Somalis not the other way around.

Further more V32 has had further studies done on its subclades, but it has not been named yet, this subclade is 99% Somali and is approximately 4000-2000 years old, I can confidently say this is the founder of the Somali language, culture and identity, if not a Somali one of many who would later split up and form different groups like Beja, Borena, while the majority remained Somali.

As for T and J1/J2 the population of Somalis with these haplogroups are negligible, and are absorbed into Somali identity, this haplogroup is not important for this topic because we are discussing origin myths and founders of Somali identity.

Firstly, there is nothing like E1b1b Languages. Both Somali and the Berber Amazigh Languages belong to Afro-Asiatic which spans both the Middle East and Africa, and cannot be attributed to a particular haplogroup. Somali is also not an old 'tribe', did you miss the part where I stated the foundation myth of the Somali is associated with the mythical ancestor of the Samaale people (Samaale)? Oromos, Beja etc are not splinter groups of the Somalis/Samaales because the Samaale identity does not precede the existence of these ethnic groups. Many E-V32 Somalis obviously share a lineage with Semitic and Cushitic speaking ethnic groups that harbour the E-V32 subclade but it is not yet known when they genetically split up from each other. Your claim of a subclade exclusive to Somalis and not other neighbouring Horner ethnic groups that possess E-V32 is also not backed up by any academic paper. Like I said before, only when more Somalis and Horners do the Big Y test, will we have a better picture. For all we know, some of the Somali E-V32 individuals might be closely related to the Semitic speaking E-V32 Horners whilst others might be more closely related to the Cushitic speaking ones.


Your claim that studies have been done on Somali clans etc. in your reply to Khalid is also false. Furthermore, none of those studies have also sampled more than a few hundred people either. There has been no representative study on Samaales, Daroods, Digil Mirifle etc. Even the individuals on websites such as 23andme and FTDNA are not representative of the inhabitants of Somaliweyn as diaspora Somalis are not a fair of representation of Somalis back home. It is way too soon to be making assertive statements about the y-dna of Somali clans. Nonetheless, I do agree that E-V32 is the most widespread haplogroup among Somalis but T-Y16897 is not negligible especially in Northern Somalia/K5/Djibouti.

Lastly, it is the founding father Samaale patriarch that we owe our name, and it is arguable that most Somali speakers trace their lineage to him. The rest are similar to Adnanite Arabs in that they are Somali through adoption but not by being descended from the mythical Samaale ancestor. For instance, your clan claims to have a matrilineal connection with Somalis hence why you identifiy with the Samaale clans by claiming to be Somali instead of the Djabarti identity your are commonly associated with by other Somalis.

First of all lets get one thing straight, I am saying yes majority of Somalis have common ancestors, but no I am not buying into this Samaale nonsense you are peddling, even the ridiculous origin myth for Darood do not mention this Samaale character but rather Dir. No offense but i just don't believe in it.

There is such a thing as E1b1b1 language, a haplogroup can have a language attributed to it if it is unique to carriers of that haplogroup and if its backed up by historical consideration, for that reason Arabic fails on both accounts and has nothing to do with E1b1b1, but indeed many languages are unique to E1b1b1 of which Somali is the strongest and Amazigh is the second strongest. If we look at Arabic the most common marker is J1 J2 and historical context further explain why some E1b1b1 speak arabic, such Berbers, Sudanese, Egyptians who were heavily arabized during the Ummayad period, this is historic fact my friend.

No study has been done on clans that I am aware of, it is just people from around the world uploading their results and putting their clan names, this is where I derived that most major clans share the same ancestry.
But it is a mute point, because I have already explained Somalis being the major stock for E-V32 from an actual study done on Somalis, other groups such as Borena Saho etc do not have as high percentage of E-V32 which suggest that we are their ancestors and not that we have common ancestry. This is hard for you to comprehend because you seem to be under the impression that the Somali identity came after our unique identifying genetic marker, but it is the opposite, the genetic mutation developed after our identity and language, hence why we have languages related to Borena, Rendiile, El Molo, Saho, they are all identifiable splinter groups from the Somali race, and some would carry a genetic marker of some Somalis while others would carry genetic marker of other Somalis, but they splintered into different places and adopted non-Somali cultures and traditions, and took a different cultural evolution then us. There is no identifiable ethnic group outside of our immediate neighbors who formed a unique identifiable culture and share our genetic marker, all I know is those I mentioned and some others that I have not yet studied, but I would not be surprised that Somalis splintered into Arabia especially Yemen and Hejaz zones, but what would be more likely is finding the ancestor of E-V32 in the Middle east, as I have already stated before, it is very possible that a back migration occurred and the bulk of the population ended up in the horn many thousands of years ago.

How we are related is of little relevance, you are a complete outlier in this matter, as T and J carriers are the ones who do not know where they came from, and they did not come from Somalis thats for sure, so I don't know why you are discussing E-V32 and splitting Somalis into middle eastern Somalis and African Somalis, I have already stated Arabic language and culture is not Somali at all, so if any Arab from Saudi has E-V32 it is telling that his ancestors were perhaps people who moved there hundreds of years ago, like the Somalis in Oman..

[zumaale]

First of all lets get one thing straight, I am saying yes majority of Somalis have common ancestors, but no I am not buying into this Samaale nonsense you are peddling, even the ridiculous origin myth for Darood do not mention this Samaale character but rather Dir. No offense but i just don't believe in it.

Somalis who are E-V32 most definitely have a common ancestry probably within the past 4000 years, but that time span is before a Somali ethnic identity existed as it is thought that Lowland East Cushites split around the first millennium BC. Around that time, the ancestors of E-V32 Somalis; Oromos and other Lowland East Cushites would have been part of the same ethnic grouping. Historically speaking, most of the ethnic identities we see today developed fairly recently.

Do you think there is only one mythical descendant of Samaale; Dir Aji Irir? We are not the only supposedly 'native' Samaale clan. The Xawaadle trace their lineage to Meyle Samaale; the Galjeecel/Degoodi/Tuff Garre to Gardheere Samaale etc. Just like the way you are mythically Darood, the rest of us connect to Samaale from whom the 'Somali' ethnonym is derived. You do not have to buy anything that does not pertain to you; to you your Darood identity!

There is such a thing as E1b1b1 language, a haplogroup can have a language attributed to it if it is unique to carriers of that haplogroup and if its backed up by historical consideration, for that reason Arabic fails on both accounts and has nothing to do with E1b1b1, but indeed many languages are unique to E1b1b1 of which Somali is the strongest and Amazigh is the second strongest. If we look at Arabic the most common marker is J1 J2 and historical context further explain why some E1b1b1 speak arabic, such Berbers, Sudanese, Egyptians who were heavily arabized during the Ummayad period, this is historic fact my friend.

Wrong again. In actual fact a particular subclade of E1b1b (E-Z830) is closely associated Semitic speakers and has the oldest presence in the Middle East as things stand. Loads of Arabs and Jews have this haplogroup. People who have this haplogroup were not Semiticised and were arguably present during the formation of the Semitic Languages in the Middle East. Ancient Semitic speakers came from a variety of backgrounds even though J1 is now the dominant haplogroup among Semitic speakers. Don't take my word for it, do your own research.

Somali and Amazigh languages spoken in North Africa are fairly recent branches of the Hamitic Language grouping and not the progenitors of other languages in the said grouping.

No study has been done on clans that I am aware of, it is just people from around the world uploading their results and putting their clan names, this is where I derived that most major clans share the same ancestry.
But it is a mute point, because I have already explained Somalis being the major stock for E-V32 from an actual study done on Somalis, other groups such as Borena Saho etc do not have as high percentage of E-V32 which suggest that we are their ancestors and not that we have common ancestry. This is hard for you to comprehend because you seem to be under the impression that the Somali identity came after our unique identifying genetic marker, but it is the opposite, the genetic mutation developed after our identity and language, hence why we have languages related to Borena, Rendiile, El Molo, Saho, they are all identifiable splinter groups from the Somali race, and some would carry a genetic marker of some Somalis while others would carry genetic marker of other Somalis, but they splintered into different places and adopted non-Somali cultures and traditions, and took a different cultural evolution then us. There is no identifiable ethnic group outside of our immediate neighbors who formed a unique identifiable culture and share our genetic marker, all I know is those I mentioned and some others that I have not yet studied, but I would not be surprised that Somalis splintered into Arabia especially Yemen and Hejaz zones, but what would be more likely is finding the ancestor of E-V32 in the Middle east, as I have already stated before, it is very possible that a back migration occurred and the bulk of the population ended up in the horn many thousands of years ago.

I do not know how to reply to such a Somali-centric argument but I will give it a brief go:

The Borana have one of the highest E-V32 rates and are considered to be one of the least admixed Oromos in terms of assimilating other ethnic groups. The Saho who have been tested are overwhelmingly E-V22. Check out the Trombetta paper if you do not believe me. Heck the Tigrinyas and Amhara probably have a higher percentage of E-V32 than the Saho according to current papers. By your logic, because Somalis have a high percentage of E-V32 then other similar neighbouring Cushitic-speaking groups that possess it have splintered off from Somalis. Man, that is whack!.

How we are related is of little relevance, you are a complete outlier in this matter, as T and J carriers are the ones who do not know where they came from, and they did not come from Somalis thats for sure, so I don't know why you are discussing E-V32 and splitting Somalis into middle eastern Somalis and African Somalis, I have already stated Arabic language and culture is not Somali at all, so if any Arab from Saudi has E-V32 it is telling that his ancestors were perhaps people who moved there hundreds of years ago, like the Somalis in Oman..

Did I even mention E-V32 being Arab? Nigga, I have always insisted it spread out from North-East Africa. Don't get your wires crossed between E1B1B AND E-V32!

Sorry mate, Somali is synonymous with my clan lineage even if it turns out that we are predominately descendants of some Semitic settler from the Middle East in the past two millenniums.

Not really bothered about being related to 'Cushites' or being 'African' etc or even being related to other Somalis/Samaale. My identity is inextricably linked to the foundation of the Somali ethnic group and there is nothing anybody can do to change that!

Nonetheless, ain't it ironic that unlike some Arab Wannabes, I do not pine for an exotic Middle Eastern origin yet it might turn out that I have distant ME ancestry.