TPLF's proxy war on the Oromo is now moving from the east, where we border somalis, to the west, in Maccaa land

[zidane88]

The Yuusuf143, the nerve of this man is beyond believe, he even tried to use clan card against us by saying Jaarso were abused by Daarood.
Weren't Oromos killing everyone that is Somali from Mooyaale to Baabile. He is the Oromo's version of Iraqi comical Ali.

it's a well known fact that the darood led group by gerikombe, denied jarso any rights to representation.
jarso already tried to live within somali state as brothers and sisters because they love somalis and see them as brothers/sisters.
BUT, darood denied them the right to live equally, so they opted to live with Oromia sir. whose fault is that?
the oppressed jarso or a handful of darood elites, who believe its their right to rule over others?

The peacefull Oromos who welcomed their jaarso brothers, what have you done to those similar to Jaarso (Somalis) who voted for you, Oromia, in 2004?
You killed, raped, and displaced them in Maeso, Qubi, Chinacsane, Balbaleyti, and no single Somali lives there right now, meanwhile Jaarso families are still living in Jigjiga. Take responsibilty and stop blaming others. Geatchu asefa and his cronies are in Mekele, not in Mooyaale, Baabile ,and Tulli-guuleed.

[Canuck2]

People who are in conflict with every ethnic minority in Ethiopia, and then blaming it on fallen government whose generals are filled in prisons...that's Oromo mentality.

every ethnic? since when? what is that based on; can you prove it sir?
it's well known that, remnant of the tplf remain throughout the country,
and you'd have to be retarded to expect that 27 year old corrupt system to be dismantled in 7 months.
it takes time. tplf is still out there, roaming, and rich with billions of dollars, and are able to cause mischief throughout the country.
do you think all of tplf are in prison? nope. the top big dogs are still hiding out: getachew assefa, abay tsehaye, sebhat nega, azeb mesfin, these people are literally billionaires.

It is joke that 40 or 50 millions can’t handle or control 5 million Tigray and crying from them day and night. And shows how sophisticated and smart were the Tigray in ruling over 100 million Ethiopians.

[Canuck2]

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[Khalid Ali]

Waachis you need to come clean there are elements with in oromia that are doing the fighting. Having said that not all oromo is bad yes border clashes happen but oromo need to become the bigger man and stop the killing how can you act victim when you lead. Where Where is your ally afewerqi to counter the tigres as you were hoping it's time to make better alliances instead of forging alliances with tigre in asmara try us in Somaliland or ina cagjar in jigjiga.and make peace with the cadaris in harar. It will be better for your that is if you lot believe cushitism. And not xabashism and asxabuul fiil slaves from axum and asmara. If you want Khalid as your poltical adviser xidhiidhie I need big farm land in Ethiopia huge for only me.

[zidane88]

Canuck. This Waachis guy is mouthpiece of OPDO, and always shifting the blame from Oromo to someone else. What has Tigre got to do when the petpetrators are Oromo. Can anyone see any logic here?

[zidane88]

History, itself, would portray you the same.
https://www.jstor.org/stable/180638?seq ... b_contents

[PrinceNugaalHawd]

Instead of coming to table and solving Border issues your militias and Federal army is attacking innocent civilians and murdering them! Oromo are the aggressors we do not Hate you as we hate the Tigre and Amhara but you are forcing all Somalis to view the Oromo as the Enemy.

[Waachis]

Waachis you need to come clean there are elements with in oromia that are doing the fighting. Having said that not all oromo is bad yes border clashes happen but oromo need to become the bigger man and stop the killing how can you act victim when you lead. Where Where is your ally afewerqi to counter the tigres as you were hoping it's time to make better alliances instead of forging alliances with tigre in asmara try us in Somaliland or ina cagjar in jigjiga.and make peace with the cadaris in harar. It will be better for your that is if you lot believe cushitism. And not xabashism and asxabuul fiil slaves from axum and asmara. If you want Khalid as your poltical adviser xidhiidhie I need big farm land in Ethiopia huge for only me.

the issue is, the tplf isn't gone yet. people have this false and unrealistic belief, that somehow, a corrupt system built over 27 years, can somehow be dismantled in 7 months.
i am not saying there aren't rogue elements among the oromo, of course there are, every society/clan/ethnicity has them.
however, i am not going to let ANYONE put the ENTIRE BLAME, ON OROMOS.
Because that is not fair, just, or correct. the army is now there though, so the issue in benishangul oromia border will settled.

as far as allying with eritrea goes, sir, u have to realize that neither somaliland or the somali region of ethiopia, can be as much help against tplf, than eritrea can. we are not allying with aferwerki because we're genuinely best friends or something, as you know, politics is a dirty game and alliances change, and interests change, as well. Not to mention that eritrea can block tigray from importing any more arms from the sea.
eritrea made the tplf and knows how to unmake them. eritrea armed them, trained them, taught them how to shoot.
so it's crucial for us to ally with them and work together. do not forget that we also inherited a broke country because of tplf looting, so we'll need cheaper sea access options that eritea provides. we will use berbera too, djibouti a little less, and later on, port sudan.

[Waachis]

Canuck. This Waachis guy is mouthpiece of OPDO, and always shifting the blame from Oromo to someone else. What has Tigre got to do when the petpetrators are Oromo. Can anyone see any logic here?

1) You are too biased against the Oromos to ever be just when discussing them.
You are the type of evil man to try to justify the killings and rape of oromo girls and babies.
So you should not pretend to be impartial or more just, etc, because it's easy to see through your facade.
You are here trying to say oromos can never be victims-even their women and children; yet you want to pretend to be a justice loving guy?
I already told you, any oromo who kills or commits a crime, should be held accountable, the same goes for somalis, afars, amharas, gumuz, etc.

2) I am an Oromo, not OPDO, OLF, or whatever; I am for any Oromo party that advances the interests of Oromos.
The same you are for any political party ogaden or darood that advances ogaden/darood/somali larger families, interests.
OLF AND OPDO are united now, OFC TOO, so do not mention one party, mention them all my brother.
In fact, OLF units were the main ones defending oromos, in MACCAA land, the same land that opdo hails from.
OPDO failed their people in the west and east, several times, but we continue to criticize them and hold them accountable.

[Waachis]

Instead of coming to table and solving Border issues your militias and Federal army is attacking innocent civilians and murdering them! Oromo are the aggressors we do not Hate you as we hate the Tigre and Amhara but you are forcing all Somalis to view the Oromo as the Enemy.

brother if what u said is true, how can i support it?
oromos are being killed daily, now in the heartland of where the opdo and olf leaders come from.
so does that not show u, that the position of the empire of ethiopia, is still fragile?
that same army didn't do much when oromos were being killed in maccaa land, my clans land.
oromo civilians aren't given any special benefits or anything, they have to work their farm lands hard to survive and prosper, same as you guys, or trade and be merchants.

i am against shedding the blood of any son/daughter of ADAM, peace be upon him,
so how can i support it when its muslim blood? a Muslims blood is more sacred than the Kaaba

It was also quoted as a statement of ibn 'Omar in jami' at-Tirmdihi:

He (Nafl’) said: ‘ One day Ibn ‘Umar looked at the House- or – the Ka’bah and said: ‘What is it that is more honored than you, and whose honor is more sacred than yours! And the believer’s honor is more sacred to Allah than yours.’”

And al-Bayhaqi البيهقي in his sho'ab al-Emaan شعب الإيمان quoted a similar wording twice one of them on the authority of abi Hazem:

لما نظر رسول الله - صلى الله عليه وسلم - إلى الكعبة قال: - صلى الله عليه وسلم - إلى الكعبة قال: مرحباً بكِ من بيتٍ، ما أعظمَكِ، وأعظمَ حرمَتَكِ! وللمؤمنُ أعظمُ حرمةً عند اللهِ منكِ، إن اللهَ حرّم منكِ واحدةَّ، وحرّمَ مِنَ المؤمنِ ثلاثاً: دمَه، ومالَه، وأن يُظَنَّ به ظنُّ السُّوءِ

The other on the authority of ibn 'Abbas:

لما نظر رسول الله - صلى الله عليه وسلم - إلى الكعبة قال: ما أعظمَ حرمَتَكِ! وللمؤمنُ أعظمُ حرمةً عند اللهِ منكِ، إن اللهَ حرّم منكِ واحدةَّ، وحرّمَ مِنَ المؤمنِ ثلاثاً: دمَه، ومالَه، وأن يُظَنَّ به ظنُّ السُّوءِ

These two last sources have at least reached the degree of hassan as both include mostly narrators who are in the both sahih books.

See also this thread in Arabic.

https://islam.stackexchange.com/questio ... the-kaabah

[original dervish]

Is there a way I can contribute to the TPLF?

[Waachis]

Is there a way I can contribute to the TPLF?

yes. put some concrete shoes on, tie your hands up. and go for a swim in the mereb river.

[Khalid Ali]

Waachis these are valid point i for one believe Somali and oromo share more then that divides them. We just need to cooperate. I believe we can cooperate ofcourse some somalis are radicals and same with oromo. But cooler heads must prevail I want to go from hargeysa to Nazareth with my car no one harrasing me nothing. It's possible. Waachis saaxib I am just saying don't trust the xabasha for they are deceiving you there are no honest poeple When it comes to wealth and power. Xabahis act misskiin but they are not your brother's we know how shabia roled into Addis and Nazareth . How do you know afewerqi is not playing you. He is after all a Marxist product of the 1970s how do you know he is not in bed with amxara elites. He can't be trusted or worse preparing tpdm this man is enemy of Ethiopia Muslims Eritrean Muslims and cushites in general

[Django]

Instead of coming to table and solving Border issues your militias and Federal army is attacking innocent civilians and murdering them! Oromo are the aggressors we do not Hate you as we hate the Tigre and Amhara but you are forcing all Somalis to view the Oromo as the Enemy.

brother if what u said is true, how can i support it?
oromos are being killed daily, now in the heartland of where the opdo and olf leaders come from.
so does that not show u, that the position of the empire of ethiopia, is still fragile?
that same army didn't do much when oromos were being killed in maccaa land, my clans land.
oromo civilians aren't given any special benefits or anything, they have to work their farm lands hard to survive and prosper, same as you guys, or trade and be merchants.

i am against shedding the blood of any son/daughter of ADAM, peace be upon him,
so how can i support it when its muslim blood? a Muslims blood is more sacred than the Kaaba

It was also quoted as a statement of ibn 'Omar in jami' at-Tirmdihi:

He (Nafl’) said: ‘ One day Ibn ‘Umar looked at the House- or – the Ka’bah and said: ‘What is it that is more honored than you, and whose honor is more sacred than yours! And the believer’s honor is more sacred to Allah than yours.’”

And al-Bayhaqi البيهقي in his sho'ab al-Emaan شعب الإيمان quoted a similar wording twice one of them on the authority of abi Hazem:

لما نظر رسول الله - صلى الله عليه وسلم - إلى الكعبة قال: - صلى الله عليه وسلم - إلى الكعبة قال: مرحباً بكِ من بيتٍ، ما أعظمَكِ، وأعظمَ حرمَتَكِ! وللمؤمنُ أعظمُ حرمةً عند اللهِ منكِ، إن اللهَ حرّم منكِ واحدةَّ، وحرّمَ مِنَ المؤمنِ ثلاثاً: دمَه، ومالَه، وأن يُظَنَّ به ظنُّ السُّوءِ

The other on the authority of ibn 'Abbas:

لما نظر رسول الله - صلى الله عليه وسلم - إلى الكعبة قال: ما أعظمَ حرمَتَكِ! وللمؤمنُ أعظمُ حرمةً عند اللهِ منكِ، إن اللهَ حرّم منكِ واحدةَّ، وحرّمَ مِنَ المؤمنِ ثلاثاً: دمَه، ومالَه، وأن يُظَنَّ به ظنُّ السُّوءِ

These two last sources have at least reached the degree of hassan as both include mostly narrators who are in the both sahih books.

See also this thread in Arabic.

https://islam.stackexchange.com/questio ... the-kaabah

Please stop using Islamic texts while you support the Murtad Abye.You support OPDO out of nationalism.You are Oromo first Oromo second Oromo third and Ethiopian forth then Muslim fifth.A pagan/ christian Oromo to you is closer to you than a Muslim Somali.

You support OPDO then Qerro then OLF.We know your stand a pathological liar just like Jawar mohamed.

[dalalos101]

interesting, waachist is it oromo killing each other or was the clash between two different regional forces.