How should S/L be dissolved?

[Khalid Ali]

The south je only important really to the regional countries such as Kenya and Ethiopia who fear for their security and tourism industry because of the irhaabism and piracy. For 10 years long 1991 to 2001 even after tng no one cared no one cared if you butchered your self killed starved your people the west got worried when you started hijacking ship and killed aid workers. And offourse Egypt who only wishes to use you against Ethiopia. No one really cared Really .in the region.

[SuldaanOfSanaag]

Muqdisho is playing its cards wrong. Unlike Somaliland hamar has to much meddling.

[gurey25]

Xamar fell because the Cold War ended. The Barre regime lost the financial support percipitated by Cold War geopolitics, no money no soldiers.

Xamar fell because said was a damn fool and alxamdulilah he was for if he was even barely competent or listened to advice things would have been very different.

All he had to do was withdraw to Berbera and try to hold shiekh , keep arming non isaaq and withdraw most of the army to the south.

We would probably still be ruled today by Barre family and have a continuous insurgency in some regions

Siad was obsessed with isaaq and Snm , it explains why nearly 2/3 of the armed forces were in the north tied up.

It explains why the USC with a small core of experienced millitary men , armed geeljire from mudug with zero discipline and cut through the remaining government forces like a knife through butter.
The remaining government forces in the south had greater numbers , years of training, and allot of heavy equipment they were more than a match for the USC why did they lose so badly?.

Leadership is why those that floated to the top of the millitary due to nepotism were morons about as stupid as siad Barre himself while the leadership of the USC were above average close to genius really, because of the raw material .
The greater the quality of your fighting men the less need for leadership at the top. The inverse is true.

The SNM had 10 years experience and it took years to become effective, the USC never became effective because their brilliant leadership used the practically useless millitia to win.

[SultanOrder]

Xamar fell because the Cold War ended. The Barre regime lost the financial support percipitated by Cold War geopolitics, no money no soldiers.

Xamar fell because said was a damn fool and alxamdulilah he was for if he was even barely competent or listened to advice things would have been very different.

All he had to do was withdraw to Berbera and try to hold shiekh , keep arming non isaaq and withdraw most of the army to the south.

We would probably still be ruled today by Barre family and have a continuous insurgency in some regions

Siad was obsessed with isaaq and Snm , it explains why nearly 2/3 of the armed forces were in the north tied up.

It explains why the USC with a small core of experienced millitary men , armed geeljire from mudug with zero discipline and cut through the remaining government forces like a knife through butter.
The remaining government forces in the south had greater numbers , years of training, and allot of heavy equipment they were more than a match for the USC why did they lose so badly?.

Leadership is why those that floated to the top of the millitary due to nepotism were morons about as stupid as siad Barre himself while the leadership of the USC were above average close to genius really, because of the raw material .
The greater the quality of your fighting men the less need for leadership at the top. The inverse is true.

The SNM had 10 years experience and it took years to become effective, the USC never became effective because their brilliant leadership used the practically useless millitia to win.

I agree that leadership was a mess and the wrong people made it to the top. The Rebels were also lucky that Siad Barre was old and totally dependent on those that didn’t deserve positions of power and degraded the state system.

You will notice the leaders of the SNF that fought for Marexaan were not Reer Siad, and in fact he was kindly asked to leave.

But ultimately it was the end of the Cold War that sealed the regimes fate and not so much the rebels.

[X.Playa]

Anybody who knows anything about s/l realizes the region is at a crossroads.
After 30 years of self declared independence not a single country on Earth recognizes their "independence".

Political violence and electoral disputes during the last election have reignited tribal schisms.
The region is a tinderbox waiting to explode and the upcoming parliamentary elections could prove to be the spark.

However, there is another way.
The leaders of the anti jeegan alliance should openly renounce secessionism and call for the peaceful dissolution of the constitution.
The region should be split into two sub regions, east and west.
A constitutional assembly should be convened to set the stage for reunification with the south along the lines of the 1960 power sharing agreement.The northern region will remain distinct from the south in all areas except foreign, currency and military affairs.

This is the only alternative to renewed civil war and the complete destruction of s/l.
s/l has numerous achievements that can be built upon in a new constitutional arrangement with the south.

First time missy miss kintir wrote more then a line in her life time in somalinet , albeit the usual Daarood doom and gloom prediction for the eternal Isaaq republic of SL.

[X.Playa]

Xamar fell because the Cold War ended. The Barre regime lost the financial support percipitated by Cold War geopolitics, no money no soldiers.

Xamar fell because said was a damn fool and alxamdulilah he was for if he was even barely competent or listened to advice things would have been very different.

All he had to do was withdraw to Berbera and try to hold shiekh , keep arming non isaaq and withdraw most of the army to the south.

We would probably still be ruled today by Barre family and have a continuous insurgency in some regions

Siad was obsessed with isaaq and Snm , it explains why nearly 2/3 of the armed forces were in the north tied up.

It explains why the USC with a small core of experienced millitary men , armed geeljire from mudug with zero discipline and cut through the remaining government forces like a knife through butter.
The remaining government forces in the south had greater numbers , years of training, and allot of heavy equipment they were more than a match for the USC why did they lose so badly?.

Leadership is why those that floated to the top of the millitary due to nepotism were morons about as stupid as siad Barre himself while the leadership of the USC were above average close to genius really, because of the raw material .
The greater the quality of your fighting men the less need for leadership at the top. The inverse is true.

The SNM had 10 years experience and it took years to become effective, the USC never became effective because their brilliant leadership used the practically useless millitia to win.

Are you serious? all the above were armed and fighting you along side Oromos and the SNA and yet they have lost the war , what kind of a logic that is minority sub clans defeating Isaaq when the later combined with the SNA could not.!! bizarre logic indeed.

What military forces in the south>??? there was none at all , by 1990 the somali army was defeated and broken in the north , the USC fought clan war with the southern Daarood in a land where the later is a minority in. You seem to have bought the Hawiye narrative ,

[X.Playa]

Anybody who knows anything about s/l realizes the region is at a crossroads.
After 30 years of self declared independence not a single country on Earth recognizes their "independence".

Political violence and electoral disputes during the last election have reignited tribal schisms.
The region is a tinderbox waiting to explode and the upcoming parliamentary elections could prove to be the spark.

However, there is another way.
The leaders of the anti jeegan alliance should openly renounce secessionism and call for the peaceful dissolution of the constitution.
The region should be split into two sub regions, east and west.
A constitutional assembly should be convened to set the stage for reunification with the south along the lines of the 1960 power sharing agreement.The northern region will remain distinct from the south in all areas except foreign, currency and military affairs.

This is the only alternative to renewed civil war and the complete destruction of s/l.
s/l has numerous achievements that can be built upon in a new constitutional arrangement with the south.

Don't confuse your co-gender sister Bohol's cyber jabahad with the reality , reality is 99.999999% of Habar Yoonis are die hard somalilanders

[original dervish]

We will have to wait and see.

[Ben Dover]

Our enemies are losing their minds

Somaliland is so much stronger today than it was a year ago, let alone 10 years ago.

- Today, Somaliland controls more land than it did just a year ago.

- We have the largest budget of any entity within the former Somali Republic, in fact, Somaliland's budgets is larger than the rest combined.

- Somaliland has the largest and most capable standing army within the borders of the former defunct Somali Republic.

- Somaliland's diplomacy has never been better, signing multilateral deals, building military bases, cooperating with international partners.

Yet, somehow, our inferiors are thinking if they wished for it enough, Somaliland's demonstrably strong position will turn weak

On the other hand:

They are gradually losing land and control to Al Shabab, with their government literally controlling 1/10th of what they did just 3 years ago.



Their 'president' is a docile tool of Ethiopia, still hiding in a bunker guarded for his own safety by foreign troops, which he uses to attack his opponents, yet somehow has the cheek to talk about 'territorial integrity'. Absolutely no improvement other than PR stunts and social media posts.

Its kind of fucked up actually

[Ben Dover]

Siad was obsessed with isaaq and Snm , it explains why nearly 2/3 of the armed forces were in the north tied up.

It explains why the USC with a small core of experienced millitary men , armed geeljire from mudug with zero discipline and cut through the remaining government forces like a knife through butter.
The remaining government forces in the south had greater numbers , years of training, and allot of heavy equipment they were more than a match for the USC why did they lose so badly?.

Afweyne was so obsessed with Isaaq and SNM that he idiotically gave up the Somali claim to the Western regions in return for Ethiopia expelling the SNM. In doing so forfeited the strongest 'nationalist' card he ever had.

Looking back on his list of blunders, its hard to believe the buffoon had any military training at all.

The SNM had 10 years experience and it took years to become effective, the USC never became effective because their brilliant leadership used the practically useless millitia to win.

Aidid was brilliant. But part of his success is the help and support he received from SNM, without which he would not have had such a smooth operation. Remember it was on SNM advise that he started the USC military wing, they even handed him a base to use which was in Mustaxiil, this was an SNM base originally.

[knet]

I like how USC Iyo SNM really think they overthrew Siyad Barre. Only question I have is if Majeerteen was 100% loyal to Siyad Barre would we be talking about Somaliland SNM, USC today? Wa miya and everyone and their mama know that.

Overthrowing a dictator brought to his knees by his on kin SSDF who fired the 1st shots at Siyad Barre when no one else dared. Only cunts would take credit for a falling tree cut down by others.

[knet]

The Somaliland project had high Hope's when a non existent Government existed in Somalia. All those Hope's died in 2006 when an official President entered villa Somalia when the last real President to have been there was Siyad Barre. And look at where we are now Somalidiids face a powerful Puntland in the North Jubbland is raising as the Strongest state in the deep South. And the Federal Goverment of Somalia once based in Nairobi Kenya in 2004 has gotten Stronger with each President that has come and gone since than. Indeed future is bright!

[ReturnOfMariixmaan]

SL only has laangaab UK for it's partner. And we all know the Brits are Fairweather friends. We have the US and China as allies. Now with Russia calling, we have more veto votes at the UNSC. If anything, Farmajo can call his cousin, Ilhan Omar if you idoors get too uppity. Daroods are united on the issue of you secessionists, no matter our own power politics.

[SuldaanOfSanaag]

The Somaliland project had high Hope's when a non existent Government existed in Somalia. All those Hope's died in 2006 when an official President entered villa Somalia when the last real President to have been there was Siyad Barre. And look at where we are now Somalidiids face a powerful Puntland in the North Jubbland is raising as the Strongest state in the deep South. And the Federal Goverment of Somalia once based in Nairobi Kenya in 2004 has gotten Stronger with each President that has come and gone since than. Indeed future is bright!

And the oil will spring up. You have to give up to this folks not even walt disney had this vision.


Everytime a new leaders cames its like utopia.

Tje reality is somaliland is not competeing with anyone.

They focus on acheiving gheir goal and building the land. On the hand puntland holding a pointless election when they couldve just chose him without spending all that money and invest in the land.

[SuldaanOfSanaag]

SL only has laangaab UK for it's partner. And we all know the Brits are Fairweather friends. We have the US and China as allies. Now with Russia calling, we have more veto votes at the UNSC. If anything, Farmajo can call his cousin, Ilhan Omar if you idoors get too uppity. Daroods are united on the issue of you secessionists, no matter our own power politics.

And you still cant defeat a rag tag militia.
Faraamjo is a usa citerzen of cos the usa is in there, they support their own citizen.

And china in Somalia? Again of cos they in somalia, getting all that lucrative fishing right for 1million.

Russia? Russia has learmed it's lesson they dealing with Eritrean.

Matter of fact is that Somalia is not a reilable partner and now becos what they done to the UN envoy most countries will distance themselve from somalia.


We dont mean no harm to somalia but the same cant be said about our land.