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Re: A theft of Isaaq history again , Sultan Faarax's letter to Al-Qaasimi.

Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2019 8:41 pm
by TheLoFather
X.Playa wrote: Tue Jan 29, 2019 2:28 pm On a side note , this Qaasimi family owned modern day Boosaaso then called Bendar-Qaasim after that sultanate in early 1800s to mid 1800s . Bendar-Qaasim port and the Majeerteen paid tribute to the Al-Qaasimi family . The al Qaasimi also claimed Berbera as one of his vessel ports the Isaaq of the early 1800s dismissed his claim but the Majeerteen at the coast collectively paid a yearly tribute as late as the 1870s.


Xplayer, check this wikipedia entry and who they claiming xaaji cali al-majeerteen was!

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haji_Ali_Majeerteen

Xaaji Cali of Abassyniya (the man in the photograph) is infact a mullah fromthe town of Baabile and lived most of his life in Diredawa, Ethiopia and who had established one of the earliest schools in the city which was named after him. This school was the first Somali (Islaamic) modern school in the Harargey region and was established 1948 or 49.
Any Somali or Muslim who lived in Diredawa at any time since 1950s to the present day, knows knows about this school which is situated in Haafat Ciise area and probably studied there at one point during their childhood. The school still exists to this day and is still called MADARASAT-UL-XAAJI CALI OR HAAJI ALI TIMIRTI BEET/ HAAJI ALI SCHOOL.

And Xaaji Cali is known to have hailed from the Karinle sub-clan of Hawiye.
I know this fact as it was told to me by a man from Fuurlabe sub-clan of Ciise who not only studied at that school but also taught there in mid 1980 to early 1990s.


I think some folks are not that good at the art of Budcad- Taariikheed.

Re: A theft of Isaaq history again , Sultan Faarax's letter to Al-Qaasimi.

Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 1:41 am
by BestPlaya
X.Playa wrote: Tue Jan 29, 2019 2:28 pm On a side note , this Qaasimi family owned modern day Boosaaso then called Bendar-Qaasim after that sultanate in early 1800s to mid 1800s . Bendar-Qaasim port and the Majeerteen paid tribute to the Al-Qaasimi family . The al Qaasimi also claimed Berbera as one of his vessel ports the Isaaq of the early 1800s dismissed his claim but the Majeerteen at the coast collectively paid a yearly tribute as late as the 1870s.
Iidoor scholar, you should bring historical evidence from reliable sources for this !

Re: A theft of Isaaq history again , Sultan Faarax's letter to Al-Qaasimi.

Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 1:54 am
by BestPlaya
Sheikh Cali Majeerteen wuxuu ahaa Ogaden , Makaahil , Abraahin , Ree Cumar

Ree Cumar used to live with MJs but currently they live with other Abraahins in Wardheer , Danood and Daratoole...I know descendants of Shaykh Cali who live in Kismayo .

Dadku wuu isku dhexjiraa blse abtirsiinta iyo isirku ma guuro !

Tusaale

Afarta Maxamud Abdirixmiin ee Bahgeri waxaa la quud iyo qaaraan ah qolo MJ Cumar Maxamud ah oo la dhoho FIQI XIRSI blse abtirsi ahaan waa majeerteen

Fiqi Iidoow Maxamuud
Fiqi Raage Maxamuud
Cali'Maqaab Maxamuud
Godob Maxamuud

Re: A theft of Isaaq history again , Sultan Faarax's letter to Al-Qaasimi.

Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 7:06 am
by Ben Dover
I have seen it all now, the drooling doqontii cagdheer, who has never in all of her sad time on Snet presented a single reliable source for the garbage she spews other than "hooyaday baan ka maqlay"... is now asking Xplaya to provide reliable sources.

The end is nigh friends :pac:

Re: A theft of Isaaq history again , Sultan Faarax's letter to Al-Qaasimi.

Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 8:28 am
by Sauron
Ben Dover wrote: Wed Jan 30, 2019 7:06 am I have seen it all now, the drooling doqontii cagdheer, who has never in all of her sad time on Snet presented a single reliable source for the garbage she spews other than "hooyaday baan ka maqlay"... is now asking Xplaya to provide reliable sources.

The end is nigh friends :pac:
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:pac: :dead:

Re: A theft of Isaaq history again , Sultan Faarax's letter to Al-Qaasimi.

Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 8:29 am
by BestPlaya
Ben Dover wrote: Wed Jan 30, 2019 7:06 am I have seen it all now, the drooling doqontii cagdheer, who has never in all of her sad time on Snet presented a single reliable source for the garbage she spews other than "hooyaday baan ka maqlay"... is now asking Xplaya to provide reliable sources.

The end is nigh friends :pac:
Let the Xplaya bring evidence to what he said .

Re: A theft of Isaaq history again , Sultan Faarax's letter to Al-Qaasimi.

Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 8:39 am
by BestPlaya
Let the weak habarjeclo midgo rant all they want ...my question is directed to the Xplaya .

Habarjeclo is the Weak link in the iidoor habros .Thats why historical discussions bothers them .No Habar jeclo Suldan, ugaas or garaad before 1950s .No royalty no Sultanate

Sacad Muuse have Ree Garaad Boon (Biniin Axmad)
Habaryonis have Ree Suldan Diiriye
Ciidagale have Ree Suldan Guleed

Habarjeclo has ?????????????

Markaad laangaab si qaab daran u ilbaxay rabto inaad aragto gunta Habar Xaabusheed uun eeg :myman:

Re: A theft of Isaaq history again , Sultan Faarax's letter to Al-Qaasimi.

Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 9:13 am
by Ben Dover
Sauron wrote: Wed Jan 30, 2019 8:28 am
Ben Dover wrote: Wed Jan 30, 2019 7:06 am I have seen it all now, the drooling doqontii cagdheer, who has never in all of her sad time on Snet presented a single reliable source for the garbage she spews other than "hooyaday baan ka maqlay"... is now asking Xplaya to provide reliable sources.

The end is nigh friends :pac:
Image

:pac: :dead:
:deadrose:

Even Google has come round to acknowledge the cognitive deficiency of doqontii cagdheer, it even auto-completes the search for you :damn:

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Re: A theft of Isaaq history again , Sultan Faarax's letter to Al-Qaasimi.

Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 9:52 am
by JSL3000
Ben Dover wrote: Wed Jan 30, 2019 9:13 am
Sauron wrote: Wed Jan 30, 2019 8:28 am
Ben Dover wrote: Wed Jan 30, 2019 7:06 am I have seen it all now, the drooling doqontii cagdheer, who has never in all of her sad time on Snet presented a single reliable source for the garbage she spews other than "hooyaday baan ka maqlay"... is now asking Xplaya to provide reliable sources.

The end is nigh friends :pac:
Image

:pac: :dead:
:deadrose:

Even Google has come round to acknowledge the cognitive deficiency of doqontii cagdheer, it even auto-completes the search for you :damn:

Image

Re: A theft of Isaaq history again , Sultan Faarax's letter to Al-Qaasimi.

Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 11:43 am
by theyuusuf143
BestPlaya wrote: Wed Jan 30, 2019 8:39 am Let the weak habarjeclo midgo rant all they want ...my question is directed to the Xplaya .

Habarjeclo is the Weak link in the iidoor habros .Thats why historical discussions bothers them .No Habar jeclo Suldan, ugaas or garaad before 1950s .No royalty no Sultanate

Sacad Muuse have Ree Garaad Boon (Biniin Axmad)
Habaryonis have Ree Suldan Diiriye
Ciidagale have Ree Suldan Guleed

Habarjeclo has ?????????????

Markaad laangaab si qaab daran u ilbaxay rabto inaad aragto gunta Habar Xaabusheed uun eeg :myman:
Habar jeclo is led by warlords very few HJs knows the name of our sultan. Although he is one of the most powerful sultans in the horn.

Re: A theft of Isaaq history again , Sultan Faarax's letter to Al-Qaasimi.

Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 11:57 am
by Django
theyuusuf143 wrote: Wed Jan 30, 2019 11:43 am
BestPlaya wrote: Wed Jan 30, 2019 8:39 am Let the weak habarjeclo midgo rant all they want ...my question is directed to the Xplaya .

Habarjeclo is the Weak link in the iidoor habros .Thats why historical discussions bothers them .No Habar jeclo Suldan, ugaas or garaad before 1950s .No royalty no Sultanate

Sacad Muuse have Ree Garaad Boon (Biniin Axmad)
Habaryonis have Ree Suldan Diiriye
Ciidagale have Ree Suldan Guleed

Habarjeclo has ?????????????

Markaad laangaab si qaab daran u ilbaxay rabto inaad aragto gunta Habar Xaabusheed uun eeg :myman:
Habar jeclo is led by warlords very few HJs knows the name of our sultan. Although he is one of the most powerful sultans in the horn.
:lol:

Re: A theft of Isaaq history again , Sultan Faarax's letter to Al-Qaasimi.

Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 12:14 pm
by X.Playa
TheLoFather wrote: Tue Jan 29, 2019 8:41 pm
X.Playa wrote: Tue Jan 29, 2019 2:28 pm On a side note , this Qaasimi family owned modern day Boosaaso then called Bendar-Qaasim after that sultanate in early 1800s to mid 1800s . Bendar-Qaasim port and the Majeerteen paid tribute to the Al-Qaasimi family . The al Qaasimi also claimed Berbera as one of his vessel ports the Isaaq of the early 1800s dismissed his claim but the Majeerteen at the coast collectively paid a yearly tribute as late as the 1870s.


Xplayer, check this wikipedia entry and who they claiming xaaji cali al-majeerteen was!

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haji_Ali_Majeerteen

Xaaji Cali of Abassyniya (the man in the photograph) is infact a mullah fromthe town of Baabile and lived most of his life in Diredawa, Ethiopia and who had established one of the earliest schools in the city which was named after him. This school was the first Somali (Islaamic) modern school in the Harargey region and was established 1948 or 49.
Any Somali or Muslim who lived in Diredawa at any time since 1950s to the present day, knows knows about this school which is situated in Haafat Ciise area and probably studied there at one point during their childhood. The school still exists to this day and is still called MADARASAT-UL-XAAJI CALI OR HAAJI ALI TIMIRTI BEET/ HAAJI ALI SCHOOL.

And Xaaji Cali is known to have hailed from the Karinle sub-clan of Hawiye.
I know this fact as it was told to me by a man from Fuurlabe sub-clan of Ciise who not only studied at that school but also taught there in mid 1980 to early 1990s.


I think some folks are not that good at the art of Budcad- Taariikheed.
From the get go i knew that image was a suspect , for the simple reason that photography to east Africa didn't arrive till the 1870s they just made use of the namesake Ali and the term Mullah . My initial thought it was that this Ali from Abyssinian could be sheekh Cali Qabalax a famous Gaadsan mullah . But now i at last found out who is behind that image.

Re: A theft of Isaaq history again , Sultan Faarax's letter to Al-Qaasimi.

Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 12:16 pm
by X.Playa
BestPlaya wrote: Wed Jan 30, 2019 1:41 am
X.Playa wrote: Tue Jan 29, 2019 2:28 pm On a side note , this Qaasimi family owned modern day Boosaaso then called Bendar-Qaasim after that sultanate in early 1800s to mid 1800s . Bendar-Qaasim port and the Majeerteen paid tribute to the Al-Qaasimi family . The al Qaasimi also claimed Berbera as one of his vessel ports the Isaaq of the early 1800s dismissed his claim but the Majeerteen at the coast collectively paid a yearly tribute as late as the 1870s.
Iidoor scholar, you should bring historical evidence from reliable sources for this !
Britain and the Persian Gulf: 1795-1880

Re: A theft of Isaaq history again , Sultan Faarax's letter to Al-Qaasimi.

Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 1:05 pm
by BestPlaya
theyuusuf143 wrote: Wed Jan 30, 2019 11:43 am
BestPlaya wrote: Wed Jan 30, 2019 8:39 am Let the weak habarjeclo midgo rant all they want ...my question is directed to the Xplaya .

Habarjeclo is the Weak link in the iidoor habros .Thats why historical discussions bothers them .No Habar jeclo Suldan, ugaas or garaad before 1950s .No royalty no Sultanate

Sacad Muuse have Ree Garaad Boon (Biniin Axmad)
Habaryonis have Ree Suldan Diiriye
Ciidagale have Ree Suldan Guleed

Habarjeclo has ?????????????

Markaad laangaab si qaab daran u ilbaxay rabto inaad aragto gunta Habar Xaabusheed uun eeg :myman:
Habar jeclo is led by warlords very few HJs knows the name of our sultan. Although he is one of the most powerful sultans in the horn.
Your Sultanate is very recent .your history begins in 1950s unlike other iidoor clans who had established sultanates .

I know you are unruly midgo confederations of Xabashi origin but that is not excuse for your recent sultanate .

Re: A theft of Isaaq history again , Sultan Faarax's letter to Al-Qaasimi.

Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 3:39 pm
by Xildiiid
BestPlaya wrote: Wed Jan 30, 2019 1:05 pm
theyuusuf143 wrote: Wed Jan 30, 2019 11:43 am
BestPlaya wrote: Wed Jan 30, 2019 8:39 am Let the weak habarjeclo midgo rant all they want ...my question is directed to the Xplaya .

Habarjeclo is the Weak link in the iidoor habros .Thats why historical discussions bothers them .No Habar jeclo Suldan, ugaas or garaad before 1950s .No royalty no Sultanate

Sacad Muuse have Ree Garaad Boon (Biniin Axmad)
Habaryonis have Ree Suldan Diiriye
Ciidagale have Ree Suldan Guleed

Habarjeclo has ?????????????

Markaad laangaab si qaab daran u ilbaxay rabto inaad aragto gunta Habar Xaabusheed uun eeg :myman:
Habar jeclo is led by warlords very few HJs knows the name of our sultan. Although he is one of the most powerful sultans in the horn.
Your Sultanate is very recent .your history begins in 1950s unlike other iidoor clans who had established sultanates .

I know you are unruly midgo confederations of Xabashi origin but that is not excuse for your recent sultanate .
Of course its recent. The Toljeclo of the Habar Xabusho lead the Isaaq kingdom until they were defeated by Cidagalle who established the first Isaaq sultanate in 1700's. Habar Yonis were the first to break off from the Cidagalle sultanate followed by Habar Awal. We were the last to establish an independent sultan.

Nonetheless, we were not slaves like Cagdheer who are still enslaved by our ancestral uncles the Habeshas. :lol: