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Re: Was Sambaloshe influenced by Sahal of snet

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AbkoowDhiblaawe wrote: Tue Sep 03, 2019 4:19 pm
theyuusuf143 wrote: Tue Sep 03, 2019 1:35 pm
original dervish wrote: Tue Sep 03, 2019 1:23 pm I've always wondered about that.......maybe its because of their bad experiences with OGs.

HG are not racist......they're ruthless.
Habar gidir are ban Somalists , they are far from being racists. Xawaadle are the opposite . Even the abgaal donkeys are xenophobic but they are like the hutus , once they wake up they spare no one not even the hawiyes. All Somalis in Xamar live with habar gidir. Daanta abgaa ka xitaa alshabaab ku way ku yaryihiin , waa meesha dayax dalnuurshe isku cadeeyo ee balbalaadhku joogto, fusuq oo dhan dhinaca abgaal kuu ka socda cidna ma qarxiso waayo yaguun baa baa kunool
Your right Abgaal are xenophobic as fuck. Even Abgaal subs got their own xaafada. But dalnuurshe n balbalaarka ain't abgaal maxaa keenay daanta abgaal.

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Re: Was Sambaloshe influenced by Sahal of snet

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theyuusuf143 wrote: Tue Sep 03, 2019 4:46 pm
AbkoowDhiblaawe wrote: Tue Sep 03, 2019 4:19 pm
theyuusuf143 wrote: Tue Sep 03, 2019 1:35 pm

Habar gidir are ban Somalists , they are far from being racists. Xawaadle are the opposite . Even the abgaal donkeys are xenophobic but they are like the hutus , once they wake up they spare no one not even the hawiyes. All Somalis in Xamar live with habar gidir. Daanta abgaa ka xitaa alshabaab ku way ku yaryihiin , waa meesha dayax dalnuurshe isku cadeeyo ee balbalaadhku joogto, fusuq oo dhan dhinaca abgaal kuu ka socda cidna ma qarxiso waayo yaguun baa baa kunool
Your right Abgaal are xenophobic as fuck. Even Abgaal subs got their own xaafada. But dalnuurshe n balbalaarka ain't abgaal maxaa keenay daanta abgaal.

Way kunool yihiin Dee , macaal hudheelka ka keliya ee muqdishu laga heesaa waa xagiina kkkkk
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Abgaals have a siege mentality.......Aidiid lined up every clan in the south and threw them at Abgaal to no avail

It was only in recent times that Abgaals allowed other Hawiye to drive through their areas.
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OD how would you know? The only Dhuulos that far south in Mudulood territory keeping traffic logs works for 1 entity.

What do you know that we HAGites don’t?
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Re: Was Sambaloshe influenced by Sahal of snet

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Django wrote: Tue Sep 03, 2019 10:22 am:dwill:
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Horta I gotta admit, Sahal, Sanbalolshe and Xawaadle seem more ‘HAGist’ if there is such a thing than any Hiraab. They should perennially win HAG of the year. Hiraab are the softest on the ‘HAG’ meter scale.
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Re: Was Sambaloshe influenced by Sahal of snet

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Murax wrote: Tue Sep 03, 2019 10:15 pm Horta I gotta admit, Sahal, Sanbalolshe and Xawaadle seem more ‘HAGist’ if there is such a thing than any Hiraab. They should perennially win HAG of the year. Hiraab are the softest on the ‘HAG’ meter scale.
but im not qabiilist and hawadle r not qabiilist. HG or hiraab may diske you for simply being a Darod but Hawadle will never dislike you for being a Darod i mean as mx you will not have difficult to live in baladweyne we used this many mx famous families born in baladweyne like reer ciyaar jecel and reer isaaq biixi mp sagal father was born in baladweyne and reer xaaji massale but politically they believe in political HAG coalition they used to believe in irir coalition they makes them sound to be politically "the most anti-Darod" while in reality its about HAG unity and that scares some.
example in 1961 hiiraan voted against constituion along with gobolada waqooyi. only hiiraan in koonfur.

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=oyO ... um&f=false

this is waare warning from destroying Galmudug. some would say why hawadle care about HG who invaded them once? this is a USC level bc we will be the next so we have to show solidarity with them.

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Re: Was Sambaloshe influenced by Sahal of snet

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Responding to Murax (I hope Sahal doesn't get offended),

My dad's dad used to live in Beled-Weyne as a kid and generally my extended dad's side used to graze from Feerfeer to Shilaabo so they are very familiar with Xawaadle.

It's only during the civil war when Hawiye/Hiraab returned the walaalaysi that Xawaadle have historically shown as a defensive mechanism to prevent Hiraab allying with Hawiye/Gugundhabe against them.

Xawaadle had their reasons for being strongly USC (the motivation was really due to one man; Jeele) and Hiraab led by Caydiid needed their support.

A mutual "qaramayn" was established. Prior to that, Hiraab cared nothing for Xawaadle and Xawaadle wasn't motivated by kalgacayl. They mostly come into contact with and compete primarily with Gugundhabe so for strategic reasons they familiarized themselves with Hawiye to prevent a united Hawiye front supporting Gugundhabe against them.

As for the case with Xawaadle being even more HAG than even Abgaal sometimes, again I hope Sahal is not offended but it is a reflection of insecurity.

Somali culture is like wolf pack culture, the less confident a member of the pack is, the more group/pack dependent they are. Again, I subscribe that to Xawaadle's standalone genealogical position surrounded by Hawiye.

It's less about Darod and more about a security guarantee for Xawaadle who cannot afford Hawiye unting behind Gugundhabe in the northern Shabelle Valley.
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Re: Was Sambaloshe influenced by Sahal of snet

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Voltage wrote: Wed Sep 04, 2019 12:58 am Responding to Murax (I hope Sahal doesn't get offended),

My dad's dad used to live in Beled-Weyne as a kid and generally my extended dad's side used to graze from Feerfeer to Shilaabo so they are very familiar with Xawaadle.

It's only during the civil war when Hawiye/Hiraab returned the walaalaysi that Xawaadle have historically shown as a defensive mechanism to prevent Hiraab allying with Hawiye/Gugundhabe against them.

Xawaadle had their reasons for being strongly USC (the motivation was really due to one man; Jeele) and Hiraab led by Caydiid needed their support.

A mutual "qaramayn" was established. Prior to that, Hiraab cared nothing for Xawaadle and Xawaadle wasn't motivated by kalgacayl. They mostly come into contact with and compete primarily with Gugundhabe so for strategic reasons they familiarized themselves with Hawiye to prevent a united Hawiye front supporting Gugundhabe against them.

As for the case with Xawaadle being even more HAG than even Abgaal sometimes, again I hope Sahal is not offended but it is a reflection of insecurity.

Somali culture is like wolf pack culture, the less confident a member of the pack is, the more group/pack dependent they are. Again, I subscribe that to Xawaadle's standalone genealogical position surrounded by Hawiye.

It's less about Darod and more about a security guarantee for Xawaadle who cannot afford Hawiye unting behind Gugundhabe in the northern Shabelle Valley.
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by the way farmaajo visted qalbidagax in jail and promised him he wont be harmed, as soon as farmaajo left qalbidagax was beaten by sanbooolishe and goons, the guy waxu rabay in uu ogaeen iyo marexaan isku diro(long standing policy of hmmm..USC)


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Voltage wrote: Wed Sep 04, 2019 12:58 am Responding to Murax (I hope Sahal doesn't get offended),

My dad's dad used to live in Beled-Weyne as a kid and generally my extended dad's side used to graze from Feerfeer to Shilaabo so they are very familiar with Xawaadle.

It's only during the civil war when Hawiye/Hiraab returned the walaalaysi that Xawaadle have historically shown as a defensive mechanism to prevent Hiraab allying with Hawiye/Gugundhabe against them.

Xawaadle had their reasons for being strongly USC (the motivation was really due to one man; Jeele) and Hiraab led by Caydiid needed their support.

A mutual "qaramayn" was established. Prior to that, Hiraab cared nothing for Xawaadle and Xawaadle wasn't motivated by kalgacayl. They mostly come into contact with and compete primarily with Gugundhabe so for strategic reasons they familiarized themselves with Hawiye to prevent a united Hawiye front supporting Gugundhabe against them.

As for the case with Xawaadle being even more HAG than even Abgaal sometimes, again I hope Sahal is not offended but it is a reflection of insecurity.

Somali culture is like wolf pack culture, the less confident a member of the pack is, the more group/pack dependent they are. Again, I subscribe that to Xawaadle's standalone genealogical position surrounded by Hawiye.

It's less about Darod and more about a security guarantee for Xawaadle who cannot afford Hawiye unting behind Gugundhabe in the northern Shabelle Valley.
kkkk Voltage khiyaaligaan intee ka keentaa niyahow hada ka hor waxaa tiri murursade aa booskiinii sadexaad galey saasaa u necebtahay :deadrose:

sxb murursade hawiyeey matalayaan sidii awrtable darod ugu mataleen cabdiqasim but per subclan they r behind us in very waxqaybsi they got 8 mps we got 10. what have they got except dayniile and that al shabab-infested isolated ceelbuur? laakin waa dad reer magaal ah marka qualitygaa wax ka dhigeeysa khaasatan naagahooda aad ay u firfircoon yihiin hada dawladaan dhan dadka naagahooda qaba aa shaqooyin ka hela.


hada waxaad leedahay its defense mechanism for hawadle they r forced to do so to prevent hawiye from siding with gugundhabe :wtf:

horta let me tell you the main gugundhabe in hiiraan are gaaljecel and they are not hawiye by lineage secondly they live between hawadle and D&M non of them have border with the rest of Hawiye except gaaljecel at jowhar. this means they r not important for Hawiye. baadicade live between buuloburde and jalalaqsi they dont reach abgaal in the south also have no any more border with Gaaljecel their land have been annexed long centry ago by hawadle bc the italians and arabs settled in qoraxsin or west of the river like buuloburde and we moved to their by 1920s. they are very isolated little island like their only village buurwayn every side of it is hawadle. jijeele live 40 km between baladweyne and ethiopia and bakool their main village quracjoome is in bakool for tgis reason they r allied with hawadle against Gaaljecel to get more land. hawadle started backing them after HG started using gaaljecel. jijeele suffered during the HG occupation and they r the real hawiye but after hawadle liberated the town they became free if not stronger in howlwadaag so there is no any "gugundhabe" danger on us they just exist by name without gaaljecel one depands on us and the other one is isolated in south hiiraan and has no border with any hawiye subclan. you see my friend you dont know the region. you can say HG not hawiye like to use them politically not military wise like shirarka but this time HG never mentions them bc they r not important in the conflict between hawiye and the other clans as they dont share border with them or even with other clans except D&M and who needs them in jowhar and walawayn? HG never mengions or meets with them these days to include hawadle in their struggle.. some tomes people say there is no gugundhabe without HG kkkk

we r located in a very strategic area where hawiye can invade from if they wanna liberate Xamar. caydiid base was in farjano wich is hawadle village this makes us more important for hawiye and for ethipia as well

lastly if your theory is true then why we were allied with isaaq after the independence? fear from another isaaqs kkkk

https://www.hiiraan.com/op4/2010/sept/1 ... cracy.aspx
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Re: Was Sambaloshe influenced by Sahal of snet

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Sahal,

From reer Diini I am bah-Xawaadle. From bah-Xawaadle, I am reer Siyaad.

Before we started migrating enmass to Garbahaaray and Buurdhuubo districts in the last 80 years , the principal nucleus of reer Siyaad was ceelasha Qalqalooc, Ulasan, Laba Baar, and Baar Magoog between Shiilaabo and Hiiraan.

This is by the famous Italian explorer Enricco Cerruli when he traveled in the area then and was inspired to illustrate my reer Siyaad Diini Ugaas controlling the area

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My grandpa told me when he was a very small kid there, they would host a lot of Somali herders from different clans who needed water.

A good chunk was Hawaadle and other Hawiye (Cayr most prominent among Hawiye).

As was custom, we had a diya-paying system in our Xeer in case conflict arose between the groups hosted in the water well.

The Aw-Qutub of Sheekhaal and the reer Aw-Xassan were guaranteed by us (they paid mag with us meaning they were under our protection). My grandpa told me the Aw-Qutub even had a saying "Sideeda reer Siyaad, anaa ku sagaal ah" and the reer Aw-Xassan had loyalty towards us that was like iron which is why how we became very close through intermarriage which still exists (for example Fahad Yaasiin is married to my reer Siyaad eedo...Idaajaa's sister).

Cayr gauranteed all other Hiraab (few Saleebaans really) and had a "Hawiye" diya agreement with Baadicadde and Gaaljecel (no other Hawiye there really) and this diya covered the ocassional Murusade or something.

Xawaadle among other clans like Dir/Qubeys were part of no groups which tribally made sense.

In fact the majority of the conflicts we had to settle was between you as Xawaadle and they as the Hawiye diya paying group.

Xawaadle was not part of this Hawiye system and never ever participated in a Hawiye shir. So sxb I am quite familiar with the time the "qaramayn" occurred and the politics that led to it (formation of Hiiraan as a region by the Italians, scramble for tribal political alliances in the corrupt 60's, insecurity surrounding Xawaadle not genealogically part of any major clan, civil war strategies, etc).



P.S. I don't put any stock in "voting" in the 60's. Who voted and where? Corruption, impunity, illiteracy, they didn't even have written language and Somali wasn't even the national language. Did they go into a booth and have general Somali population vote in Italian?

No. I am telling you as the former Somali Central Bank governor said in a talk I went to, a group of boys would be rounded up and spend all night and day check off thousands of ballots where they were told to check off.

Voila! All of a sudden a town voted! Waa quraafaad
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Voltaage, sax waaye in historically aan la dhaqmi jirnay MX iyo OG sida xabashida historically ay yeman iyo jaseera arabiya ula dhaqmi jirtey halkaas uu naceebka carabta iyo itoobiya ka biloowdey. waxaa kaloo is neceb carabta iyo yahuuda oo dadka isugu dhaw. xawaadle iyo mx iyo OG geeleey kala dhici jireen sababtaas ayaan ceyr u dajinay matabaan mareey mx ka soo qaxeen. marka arintaan waa ka horeeysan qarameen waxay ku bilaabatey iskaashiga geeleeyda. waxaa kaloo jiray inta ay baardheere aadin in OG iyo MX isku dayeen inay xawaadle soo jiiraan ooy dhsnka hiiraan u soo hayaamaa waa u soconwaysay bakool ayay mareen. markaas xawaadle wuxuu u dhaxeeyay qalaafe iyo qoraxeey laakiin weeraradii xabashida ay u guureen dhinaca bariga hiiraan iyo maxaas oo murursade deganaa ugu danbeen dagaalkii civil warka ayaan hawiye toos ula galnay waxaana sabab u ahaa dadlii hiiraan lagu beeray. arimankaan oo dhan ayaa keenay in aan hawiye alliance la galno darood dartiis maaha cabsi aan hawiye la qabno lol

waxaan laaga yagayaa gabayadaan taariikhiga ah mid wuxuu ku tusinayaa OG oo dhinacna hawadle dagaal kula jira dhinacna isaaq dhagaxbuur agteeda waa 18 century. mid kale wuxuu ku tusinayaa hawadle iyo mx oo markaas hawadle hawiyaha gabay ka sameeyay. waa uleex faarax awoowe afaraad u ah farax gubadleey ooy dhaleen ogaadeen USCdii hiiraan hogaaminaayey asagoo abtiyaashiis la dagaalamaya.

sh ali jimcaale waa nin agoon cabdalle ah ah oo reer ulasan ah naceebkiusa meeshaasuu ka yimid. anaga darood dagaal waligeen aan kula jirnay laakin hawiye 90skii aan qaar isku dhscney.



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Re: Was Sambaloshe influenced by Sahal of snet

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When a Hawiye politician talks about Qabiil, all hell brakes loose. Why is that? Isn't the power sharing based on 4,5? We've seen Faroole, Gaas countless of Daarod mps speak about qabiil. No outrage was seen. Koley I interpret this as Daarod, Isaaqs, raxanweyns can be qabilistic but a Hawiye can not.
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AbkoowDhiblaawe wrote: Thu Sep 05, 2019 5:05 am When a Hawiye politician talks about Qabiil, all hell brakes loose. Why is that? Isn't the power sharing based on 4,5? We've seen Faroole, Gaas countless of Daarod mps speak about qabiil. No outrage was seen. Koley I interpret this as Daarod, Isaaqs, raxanweyns can be qabilistic but a Hawiye can not.
Well said daarood daily talk about qabil but they never
Expect hawiye talk about it that's the way it is
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Hawiye and iidoors are not allowed to look a Darood in the eye......forget about chat . :ufdup:
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