Al shabab hands out Zakat in Mogadishu

[Voltage]

Don't worry about international terrorist lists.....groups are added and taken off all the time.....the Iranian group MEK being an example.

No Somali govt has come close to defeating AS, even with high ranking defections and US drone strikes, 35,000 Amisom etc.

If the Govt can't defeat AS now they never will.....so the only responsible course of action is to open a dialogue and eventually sign a peace treaty......Amisom and all foreign troops must leave....AS will be incoporated into the military and political sphere.

You must be bored.

[original dervish]

Actually I'm being pragmatic......AS will never be defeated because nobody is fighting them.

Therefore the responsible course of action is to open a dialogue.

I've already laid out the beginnings of a political strategy to end the war in Somalia.

Farmaajo and whoever follows have the basis of a starting point for negotiations.

Qatar can act as a go between and guarantor of any provisional agreement.

The end of drone strikes by the US and a cessation of hostilities by AS, followed by a period of calm and confidence building on both sides.

[Django]

AS is not on the International terrorist list because thw Somali govt and thw US fought to keep them out on the prerext of humanitarian grounds.
So basically AS is not a terrorist threat.

[UgaaskaBarakaysan]

Nabad-diidka have lost support from almost all their bases pretty much. They have been all but neutered. Those who are overestimating their strength and influence are only spreading misinformation. Only news I hear these days is defeat after defeat for the khawarij and defections. We don't negotiate with khawaij that is our policy. Even our international partners including the US General that commands AFRICOM has said there has been tangible progress in there defeat. Those who don't understand modern warfare and geopolitics want people to negotiate, but even the insurgents said they see the government as gaals and doesn't want to talk either.

Ciidamada xoogga dalka ayaa guulo ka shegtay dagaal xalay ka dhacay duleedka magaalada Marka ee gobolka Shabeellada Hoose, halkaas oo ay isaga hor-yimaadeen maleeshiyada Al-Shabaab.

Qoraal lagu baahiyey warbaahinta dowladda ayaa lagu sheegay in howl-gallo baaxad leh oo ay ciidanka xoogga dalka Soomaaliyeed, gaar ahaan guutada 14 Oktoobar ka fuliyeen degaanka Jilib Marka ee gobolka Shabeellada Hoose “lagu bur-buriyay fariisimo ay halkaasi ku lahaayeen malleeshiyada Al-Shabaab.”

“Howlaglkan oo ciidanka xoogga fuliyeen xalay ayaa sidoo kale waxay halkaasi ku dileen ugu yaraan lix xubnood oo ka tirsanaa nabad-diidka, iyagoo sidoo kale kala wareegay hub iyo saanad millitari” ayaa lagu yiri qoraalka dowladda.

Dhinaca kale, qaar ka mid ah saraakiisha xoogga dalka ee hoggaamineysa dagaalka ka dhanka ah Al-Shabaab ayaa warbaahinta qaranka Soomaaliya u sheegtay in ay weli halkaasi ka wadaan howlgallo ka dhan ah Al-Shabaab.

Kooxda Al-Shabaab weli wax war ah kama soo saarin dagaalkii xalay.

Magaalada Marka ayaa waxaa la filayaa in dhowaan uu booqasho ku tago ra’iisul wasaare Xasan Cali Kheyre.

[Voltage]

Actually I'm being pragmatic......AS will never be defeated because nobody is fighting them.

Therefore the responsible course of action is to open a dialogue.

I've already laid out the beginnings of a political strategy to end the war in Somalia.

Farmaajo and whoever follows have the basis of a starting point for negotiations.

Qatar can act as a go between and guarantor of any provisional agreement.

The end of drone strikes by the US and a cessation of hostilities by AS, followed by a period of calm and confidence building on both sides.

You are literally a bored nobody posting on an obscure ethnic forum in the remote corners of the web.

Moreover, it's quite obvious that you are not only bored, but facetious as well.

Maybe you should get off Somalinet for a while?

[original dervish]

Sxb......move on.....if you have nothing to say then shut up.

This is a Somali politics forum.....not your front room.

[hargaysaay]

Actually I'm being pragmatic......AS will never be defeated because nobody is fighting them.

Therefore the responsible course of action is to open a dialogue.

I've already laid out the beginnings of a political strategy to end the war in Somalia.

Farmaajo and whoever follows have the basis of a starting point for negotiations.

Qatar can act as a go between and guarantor of any provisional agreement.

The end of drone strikes by the US and a cessation of hostilities by AS, followed by a period of calm and confidence building on both sides.

You are literally a bored nobody posting on an obscure ethnic forum in the remote corners of the web.

Moreover, it's quite obvious that you are not only bored, but facetious as well.

Maybe you should get off Somalinet for a while?

Halo voltage sxb. I think Original Dervish has a point Alshabab cant be defeated. Its being 10 years fighting them and still they are here.

[hargaysaay]

A good man i know is Alshabab so i dont think they are bad.

[Voltage]

AS is not on the International terrorist list because thw Somali govt and thw US fought to keep them out on the prerext of humanitarian grounds.
So basically AS is not a terrorist threat.

In correct. This is literally the propaganda notes put out by Kenya.

We know you are a Kenyan citizen and will not have Somalia's interests at heart, but if you will be around us taking advantage of your Somali ethnicity, you can try to be a little less hostile to Somalia's interests.

The fact that the US, which is the most hawkish country on earth when it comes to terrorism, led the fight against Kenya's sinister agenda for Somalia should tell you something.

Moreover, the US did this while having Shabaab designated as a foreign terrorist organization. They also did this with a Republican President and a hawkish Republican Secretary of State. Not to mention Obama's last Secretary of State, Ambassador to Kenya, and many other Democratic diplomats signed a letter showing broad bipartisan US position on this.

According to all the analysis I read, the strong response from the US diplomatic community was extraordinary and very rare.

And finally correcting you;

1. Shabaab is on every international terrorist list. It is designated a foreign terrorist organization by the US. It is also designated a foreign terrorist organization by the UN.

2. Kenya's resolution was not about the "designation" of Shabaab. Again Shabaab is designated a terrorist group by everyone.

3. Kenya's resolution was about changing the "sanctions regime" that governs how Shabaab is sanctioned as a terrorist group.

4. Because of the extraordinary, unique, and fraught humanitarian situation in Somalia since 1991, all terrorist groups particular to Somalia have been sanctioned under UN Security Council Resolution 751.

This goes for Al Itihad, ICU, and now Shabaab.

5. Resolution 751 is actually a very sophisticated and nuanced response by the world to the long-suffering people of Somalia. It is very sensitive to the frail humanitarian situation of the Somali people. So for Shabaab, instead of a generic sanctions regime, 751 has built a very Somalia-specific sanctions regime.

For example, the generic terrorist sanctions regime says even humanitarian organizations might be criminally liable for engaging terrorist groups.

However, for Somalia, 751 is more nuanced and gives protection to humanitarian organizations working in Shabaab-controlled areas as long as those organizations are there in good faith (which is a standard international NGO's can easily pass).

751 was designed to prevent things like another famine in Somalia.

Al Shabaab, to their only credit most say, honestly engages humanitarian organizations and does not impede their work or interfere with it. Interestingly, this shows that even Shabaab understands and is sensitive to the frail humanitarian situation in the country (one rainfall away from drought; two rainfalls away from famine).

Shabaab's response is different to Al Qaeda and ISIS who behead international relief workers which again shows how astute the world was to design Somalia's own sanctions regime in 751.

6. Kenya's proposal was to change the sanctions regime for Shabaab from 751 to 1267.

1267 is the generic sanctions regime which groups like Al Qaeda and ISIS are governed by.

1267 would not take into consideration the specific details of Somalia (long civil war/suffering/humanitarian catastrophe), would not take into consideration Shabaab's different response to relief workers, and the biggest consequence would be to criminalize humanitarian work. Just now the warning sirens are being blown of am impending drought.

7. Ironically enough, in 751, there is a ban on charcoal exportation and a ban in doing material business with Shabaab.

According to UN monitoring reports, which Somalia brought up to show Kenya's hypocrisy, Kenya Defense Forces troops in Kismaayo and Ahmed Madoobe work together to facilitate Shabaab charcoal exports from the port of Kismaayo.

It was extremely hypocritical, self-serving, and dangerous for Kenya to advocate changing Shabaab's sanctions regime which would be extremely life-threatening to many Somalis, while it was already in breach of existing UN sanctions.

Again, this is from the UN monitoring report which audits compliance with 751.

8. Many interpreted Kenya's aim to be politically motivated and about increasing their leverage in the buffer zone they want to control in Jubbaland and achieve all of this at the expense of the suffering of Somalia.

9. Kenya was soundly defeated at the UN with even terrorism-hawkish Western countries like the US, Germany, France, and Belgium voting against the measure.

10. The humanitarian groups of the world celebrated the outcome.

While Al-Shabab’s atrocities merit Security Council scrutiny, the Kenyan proposal would have jeopardized the delivery of humanitarian aid at a time when 2.2 million Somalis – more than one-fifth of the population – face severe hunger.

https://www.hrw.org/news/2019/09/04/sma ... somalis-un

[Voltage]

Actually I'm being pragmatic......AS will never be defeated because nobody is fighting them.

Therefore the responsible course of action is to open a dialogue.

I've already laid out the beginnings of a political strategy to end the war in Somalia.

Farmaajo and whoever follows have the basis of a starting point for negotiations.

Qatar can act as a go between and guarantor of any provisional agreement.

The end of drone strikes by the US and a cessation of hostilities by AS, followed by a period of calm and confidence building on both sides.

You are literally a bored nobody posting on an obscure ethnic forum in the remote corners of the web.

Moreover, it's quite obvious that you are not only bored, but facetious as well.

Maybe you should get off Somalinet for a while?

Halo voltage sxb. I think Original Dervish has a point Alshabab cant be defeated. Its being 10 years fighting them and still they are here.

He has no point.

Shabaab is a transnational terrorist group; they are not even a political insurgency which would bestow some state legitimacy.

Moreover, Shabaab as an organizational entity is virtually dead.

They have no capacity to have organized group administration. Their leaders are all in underground and hiding even from each other lest one has turned and can give coordinates to US Africa Command drones.

If it was a legitimate state actor it would have been completely irrelevant.

The fact that it isa terrorist group is why it can even still claim to function. Namely decentralized/deconstructed individual cells.

There is nothing to try to meet.

They must have all their individual heads cut off to starve them one by one.

[original dervish]

This guy claims I'm bored ......but will type up pages of useless word salad.

Nobody gives a shit what list AS are on......as terrorist groups are taken off and on these lists all the time.

At one point Nelson Mandela's ANC was on that same list.....even when Mandela was president.

The Iranian MEK was recently taken off the terrorist list.

The point is.....the next Somali govt has to begin talks with AS.......there is no way Amisom, America or Aliens are gonna defeat AS......heck the govt can't even get Kismayo....how they gonna defeat AS?

[Voltage]

Writing comes to me like an almost after thought. The length of my post is never a reflection of the time or energy the average person would spend.

That should be a natural observation for someone who has been here and spends as much time as you do on this board.

Beyond that, it seems being accurately recognized for being facetious hit a nerve.

If it walks like a duck...

[original dervish]

Hit a nerve?
You gotta a nerve after the shenanigans you pulled.

[Django]

AS is not on the International terrorist list because thw Somali govt and thw US fought to keep them out on the prerext of humanitarian grounds.
So basically AS is not a terrorist threat.

In correct. This is literally the propaganda notes put out by Kenya.

We know you are a Kenyan citizen and will not have Somalia's interests at heart, but if you will be around us taking advantage of your Somali ethnicity, you can try to be a little less hostile to Somalia's interests.

The fact that the US, which is the most hawkish country on earth when it comes to terrorism, led the fight against Kenya's sinister agenda for Somalia should tell you something.

Moreover, the US did this while having Shabaab designated as a foreign terrorist organization. They also did this with a Republican President and a hawkish Republican Secretary of State. Not to mention Obama's last Secretary of State, Ambassador to Kenya, and many other Democratic diplomats signed a letter showing broad bipartisan US position on this.

According to all the analysis I read, the strong response from the US diplomatic community was extraordinary and very rare.

And finally correcting you;

1. Shabaab is on every international terrorist list. It is designated a foreign terrorist organization by the US. It is also designated a foreign terrorist organization by the UN.

2. Kenya's resolution was not about the "designation" of Shabaab. Again Shabaab is designated a terrorist group by everyone.

3. Kenya's resolution was about changing the "sanctions regime" that governs how Shabaab is sanctioned as a terrorist group.

4. Because of the extraordinary, unique, and fraught humanitarian situation in Somalia since 1991, all terrorist groups particular to Somalia have been sanctioned under UN Security Council Resolution 751.

This goes for Al Itihad, ICU, and now Shabaab.

5. Resolution 751 is actually a very sophisticated and nuanced response by the world to the long-suffering people of Somalia. It is very sensitive to the frail humanitarian situation of the Somali people. So for Shabaab, instead of a generic sanctions regime, 751 has built a very Somalia-specific sanctions regime.

For example, the generic terrorist sanctions regime says even humanitarian organizations might be criminally liable for engaging terrorist groups.

However, for Somalia, 751 is more nuanced and gives protection to humanitarian organizations working in Shabaab-controlled areas as long as those organizations are there in good faith (which is a standard international NGO's can easily pass).

751 was designed to prevent things like another famine in Somalia.

Al Shabaab, to their only credit most say, honestly engages humanitarian organizations and does not impede their work or interfere with it. Interestingly, this shows that even Shabaab understands and is sensitive to the frail humanitarian situation in the country (one rainfall away from drought; two rainfalls away from famine).

Shabaab's response is different to Al Qaeda and ISIS who behead international relief workers which again shows how astute the world was to design Somalia's own sanctions regime in 751.

6. Kenya's proposal was to change the sanctions regime for Shabaab from 751 to 1267.

1267 is the generic sanctions regime which groups like Al Qaeda and ISIS are governed by.

1267 would not take into consideration the specific details of Somalia (long civil war/suffering/humanitarian catastrophe), would not take into consideration Shabaab's different response to relief workers, and the biggest consequence would be to criminalize humanitarian work. Just now the warning sirens are being blown of am impending drought.

7. Ironically enough, in 751, there is a ban on charcoal exportation and a ban in doing material business with Shabaab.

According to UN monitoring reports, which Somalia brought up to show Kenya's hypocrisy, Kenya Defense Forces troops in Kismaayo and Ahmed Madoobe work together to facilitate Shabaab charcoal exports from the port of Kismaayo.

It was extremely hypocritical, self-serving, and dangerous for Kenya to advocate changing Shabaab's sanctions regime which would be extremely life-threatening to many Somalis, while it was already in breach of existing UN sanctions.

Again, this is from the UN monitoring report which audits compliance with 751.

8. Many interpreted Kenya's aim to be politically motivated and about increasing their leverage in the buffer zone they want to control in Jubbaland and achieve all of this at the expense of the suffering of Somalia.

9. Kenya was soundly defeated at the UN with even terrorism-hawkish Western countries like the US, Germany, France, and Belgium voting against the measure.

10. The humanitarian groups of the world celebrated the outcome.

While Al-Shabab’s atrocities merit Security Council scrutiny, the Kenyan proposal would have jeopardized the delivery of humanitarian aid at a time when 2.2 million Somalis – more than one-fifth of the population – face severe hunger.

https://www.hrw.org/news/2019/09/04/sma ... somalis-un

So somalian interest in your small nepotistic brain means supporting bare huraale and building villas in government owned land Gulwade.

Voltage you had no remorse I remember when Ethiopian matched into Xamar nor had you any somalinimo when they were butchering civilians in Xamar in 2005 by Ethiopians.All you were concerned about was Marexan dorminating Kismaayo.

You also become patriot the moment Failmajo took over.You are a qabilist fraud who once advocated for kenya to annex Jubbaland.
You became anti kenya not because of the issue of the somali waters but because they didnt give your shabab supporting kins kismaayo on a silver plater.

Next time go preach wadaninimo to your deaf and dumb desciples.


I am Ogaden and I will champion the rights and welfare of my folks from NFD,JL and Ogaden region just like msb the Ethiopian did and your parents from Ethiopia are teaching you.

[original dervish]

At the root of all his angst is Kismayo......it comes through with every word and letter he writes......burning him to his soul.

He really believed the Ethiopians were gonna give his folks the keys to the holy city.