The government succeeds in taking the Beledweyne troops??

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Re: The government succeeds in taking the Beledweyne troops??

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GeoSeven wrote: Mon Sep 16, 2019 2:02 pm They're SNA and the news was sensationalised to begin with. Anti N&N Xawaadle politicians spearheaded by Xildibaano spread false rumours that the battalion would be incorporated into a newly uniformed ex Ahlu Sunna Brigade which is what started the furor. Furthermore, there are 2700 SNA along with AMISOM still stationed in Lamagalaay and are due to start moving south.
Is there an overall plan to do ISKU DHAF (mixture) and start moving them around to build cohesion and a sense of national purpose?

If that is not the overall plan, I fail to see the purpose of this because this will just cause clan problems for the gov.

Also i don't think I have seen you address this before but I am very curious because you are Murusade. Whether rightfully or wrongfully, Murusade have consistently been described as the most pro-Shabaab clan in Somalia and both Dayniile and Ceelbuur are considered strong holds of Shabaab not because of force but complete acceptance and support from Murusade.

What do you say about these preceptions as a Murusade?
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Re: The government succeeds in taking the Beledweyne troops??

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Django wrote: Mon Sep 16, 2019 2:27 pm Xawadle liberating Celbur

Marexan liberating Buale

:blessed:
My Kenyan friend, listen to Gen Bada Kala Celi. :D

She says we walked on foot from Beled-Xaawo to Baardheere to root Shabaab out and they will keep going.

Listen to her at 2:15

"WE ARE NOT A TRIBAL ARMY...we are Somali national army...we will go to Xamar and Xarardheere if they tell us...the soldiers that are there are the soldiers here and we are them" 8-)

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Re: The government succeeds in taking the Beledweyne troops??

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Voltage wrote: Mon Sep 16, 2019 2:49 pm
Django wrote: Mon Sep 16, 2019 2:27 pm Xawadle liberating Celbur

Marexan liberating Buale

:blessed:
My Kenyan friend, listen to Gen Bada Kala Celi. :D

She says we walked on foot from Beled-Xaawo to Baardheere to root Shabaab out and they will keep going.

Listen to her at 2:15

"WE ARE NOT A TRIBAL ARMY...we are Somali national army...we will go to Xamar and Xarardheere if they tell us...the soldiers that are there are the soldiers here and we are them" 8-)

My flipflopping ex kenyan wanabbe

She says she was carrying water for Ethiopian military after our qulle brothers feared for their lives.
Marexan are the fathers of tribalism.
When you learn how to tolerate and live in peace with others is the day somalia wpuld move forward.
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Re: The government succeeds in taking the Beledweyne troops??

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I dont see Alshabab getting defeated.

Cant you see ?. They are the good guys.
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Re: The government succeeds in taking the Beledweyne troops??

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Abkoow, 600 were sent to GM.
Voltage wrote:
GeoSeven wrote: Mon Sep 16, 2019 2:02 pm They're SNA and the news was sensationalised to begin with. Anti N&N Xawaadle politicians spearheaded by Xildibaano spread false rumours that the battalion would be incorporated into a newly uniformed ex Ahlu Sunna Brigade which is what started the furor. Furthermore, there are 2700 SNA along with AMISOM still stationed in Lamagalaay and are due to start moving south.

Is there an overall plan to do ISKU DHAF (mixture) and start moving them around to build cohesion and a sense of national purpose?

If that is not the overall plan, I fail to see the purpose of this because this will just cause clan problems for the gov.

Also i don't think I have seen you address this before but I am very curious because you are Murusade. Whether rightfully or wrongfully, Murusade have consistently been described as the most pro-Shabaab clan in Somalia and both Dayniile and Ceelbuur are considered strong holds of Shabaab not because of force but complete acceptance and support from Murusade.

What do you say about these preceptions as a Murusade?


Voltage, there are two primary objectives the current government is pursuing religously; Deeyn Cafis and Ciidamo Isku Dhaf. These two policies are repeated like mantra in gov circles. The SNA troops that were taken to Dhuusamareeb from Xamar are mixed (albeit mostly Abgaal) and now you have a battalion from Hiiraan being sent to Galgaduud. This is all in line with the policy of a mixed SNA. The plan is replicate this across GM, Hirshabeelle, SW and Jubaland. It will not be without dramatics as showcased by the most recent scenario and not entirely certain it will work just yet.

SB is full of Murusade but it is difficult to say this is by qabiil concensus. Truth be told, their affinity to SB is something of a puzzle to people, even to Murusade themselves.

I'm Xawaadle, Cabdalle :lol:
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Duduble can hire an mercenary army to do whatever they want. They are the richest Qabiil in all of Somalia
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AbdiWahab252 wrote: Mon Sep 16, 2019 6:21 pm Duduble can hire an mercenary army to do whatever they want. They are the richest Qabiil in all of Somalia
Richest Somali qabil is either a Somalilander or Puntlander cadi iska dhig. Most likely a Somalilander followed closely by a Puntlander.
Stolen money is not counted here btw! :lol:
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Re: The government succeeds in taking the Beledweyne troops??

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knet wrote: Mon Sep 16, 2019 9:38 pm
AbdiWahab252 wrote: Mon Sep 16, 2019 6:21 pm Duduble can hire an mercenary army to do whatever they want. They are the richest Qabiil in all of Somalia
Richest Somali qabil is either a Somalilander or Puntlander cadi iska dhig. Most likely a Somalilander followed closely by a Puntlander.
Stolen money is not counted here btw! :lol:
He is actually right. Duduble gaardheereyaal saw money come from Al Barakaat and subsequently Hormuud and the entire telecom industry.

I am not sure they helped Duduble as much as they helped their Al Itihad friends though. It's how even if you went to Siberia, the xawilaad office was administered by a gar dheere.

They are also a 100% behind the formation, financing, and rise of the Islamic Courts Union and indirectly of al Shabaab since Shabaab grew out from ICU. Although their support for ICU was business motivated since lawlessnesa and warlords was bad for business.

There is nothing in the entire Somali peninsula that can even dream to measure up to the former Al Barakaat/current Hormuud group of Duduble cousins and they all happen to have been Islamists.

Remember also money begets money as investment. Every single venture anywhere in Somali territory probably has investment from Hormuud group.
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Re: The government succeeds in taking the Beledweyne troops??

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sorry being late i had internet problems i use wi-fe in thr house and work so most of the time i have no access to Snet but when i have money in my mobile it appears like now so i had to switch off the wifi. i dont need to pay for internet i only use SMS and whatsapp

kkkkk voltage if you want make thread about hiiraan without involving my name in it i will ignore it. anything out of hiiraan like hiiraan and the govt is a public topic i dont own it.

if you read HOL it will tell you 300 boys have left lamagalaay and disapeared in the town so who forced the rest? Galgaduud officers stayed for 4 days and while they were asking for permission each day 100 boys were leaving the camp so in the last day they went back to dusamareeb to safe the situation before all kids leave the camp. the next day the local commander took the remaining 300 to ceeljaale in the outskirts of baladweyne and and gave them blue dress as you can see in the video.
https://www.hiiraan.com/news4/2019/Sept ... mareb.aspx



these guys were supposed to be macawisleey not SNA but they got trained by the SNA(not djibouti). they were recruited from ceelcirfiid on the border with middle shabelle in adan yabaal district wich is adjacent to jalalaqsi moqokori and maxaas. basically ali madaxweyne, yabar madaxweyne and ibrahim ciise. they were sent by their families to fight al shabaab and all agressors. as i said many times hiiraan security was much better under this govt not bc they gave us shit they left us alone for two years. in these two years our SNA was free from djibouti and the govt and was arming and training macawisleey.
"The only region al shabaab got heavily defeated is hiiraan wich shows us and hiraab have different strategies. Hiraab Govts used to be against our SNA arming our macawisleey(nomads) for tribal reasons as we border both cayr and abgaal kkkk I dont wanna go deep down despite these dagaal beeleedyo we share common existence. What I mean is as the equipments meant to the SNA now we are free to make tribal security and hirshabelle has asked direct aid for them from the US besides the regional dorces(daraawiishta) who are getting formed.
https://www.somalinet.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=395704

when djibouti went to galgaduud their commander revealed to qooje about these newly graduated mwcawisleey(600 men) and he told kheyre. kheyre is mooryaan and afrajeeble all he cares is about money and power. he sent abgaal army to galgaduud leaving balcad open to al shabaab. al shabaab controls now three villages next to balcad on the way to jowhar. why not mix ceyr and mx and sacad and saleebaan troops in Galmudug instead of recruiting abgaals? they have no al shabaab danger? the reason is bc kheyre wants to sell these lies to america and beesha caalamka to get paid in the name of SNA also its a campaign for him. hassan sh aa ku lugay inuu xoreeyo weceysle waxey hubkii siiyeen al shabaab same goes for murursade and duduble they will never be pro govt. yes murursadaha xamar bc its abgaal and HG area just 250 murursade were among 300 soldiers sent to aritrea for training why? easy job they will stay in xarumaha dawlada and ones farmaajo goes they will become al shabaab sleeper cells
http://radiobanadir.com/?p=17819


so this mooryaan told us if you wanna keep your kids i will cut the wages from guutada shanaad(the real SNA)

this is my cabdi yuusuf nsbadoon lixle telling them beesha will pay them if he cuts the $100

i talked before about me partaking in shir about this. we told odayaasha on phone to leave the SNA alone and keep the rest of macawisleey in the town.

the 300 that was deployed in guriceel are not far from maxaas. infact matabaan is going now to be under hiiraan SNA. the admin is hirshabelle but it had local ahlussuna militia. finally i heard about a plan them moving with their weapons into maxaas after they get paid their first wages. so its a secret plan to arm macawisleey from guriceel kkkk



this is when army from galgaduud left baladweyne emoty handed. basically defeated but you know we are people of compromise waa ka roonaanay mooryaan kheyre who wants to destabilize our region.


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Re: The government succeeds in taking the Beledweyne troops??

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Sahal I apologize if you thought waan kugu ciyaarayay, wallahi it wasn't my intention. I was genuinely curious as to how things unfolded and wanted to get your perspective as someone from the deegaan

Even though I don't even like magaca "odayaal" in post-transitional Somalia (are you a political representative? If no, shut up and worry about dhaqan and culture not politics is my position), I understand the gov has to be weary about getting an entire clan to be upset.

Thank you for your perspective. My only question is I watched the speech by Col Kooshin aka Waasuge and he explicitly told the boys and the nation "just yesterday you heard the odayaal say the gov said they will take back money and resources and I am here to say to you that information is a lie"

I mean that is pretty strong statement even though we all know odayaal have one clan agenda and they will so and say whatever to achieve that.

P.s. every single tababar ciidan is macawiisley in the beginning. This isn't Somalia of the past where a state existed sxb. These xerooyin are not exactly Afisyoone and Baalidoogle of the past. There is no group is macawiialay and anofher group Engiriiskee kasoo baxeen
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Re: The government succeeds in taking the Beledweyne troops??

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ok Voltage no problem

after my last post i checked our hiiraan websites and they are saying what i already said(kids leaving guriceel)
hubkii iyo mushaarkii xataa waala sugiwaayeen kkkk



this is when they reached guriceel wearing blue




btw there is no where col kooshin talks about the SNA funds he talks about odayaasha "in been laga sheegay" they r not against ciidan qaran going to galgaduuud this army os not for SNA they all came from from bariga and koonfurta hiiraan to become macawisleey. only few sadex cumar( jareer) from buuloburde are in them.
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Re: The government succeeds in taking the Beledweyne troops??

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Voltage

Duduble are the only qabiil whose odeeyaal get a pension.
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