Naflacari from Hirshabelle caught in the mountains of Puntland

[sahal80]

Somalia al shabaab waxay u kala badan yihiin sida koonfur loo kala jiro. Jubada dhexe that borders gedo is fully controlled by Al shabaab.

Hiiraan for nearly a year was pro TFG when it was controlling only maka mukarama road at that time the whole Gedo was controlled by Al shabaab 100% and there was no Amisom in Hiiraan the reason is muqaawamada hiiraan was led by tribal leaders like omar Hashi so its irrelevant to compare Hiiraan with al Shabaab and jufo-based admin infested Gedo. it had three admins before JL; pro madoobe Dolow, garbaharey and balad xaawo with some ahlusuna admin and appointed governor from Xamar . very disorganozed region to this day.

After JL, in 2013 al shabaab were giving safe passage to the troops from Gedo t8 fight in Kismaayo i even have an arabic document of ISIS blaming Al shabaab on this saying "they cooperate with murtad barre hiiraale"

barre hiiraale Al shabaab must be supported because they r at war with Kenya!!






its well know that regionally marginalized groups are attracted by Al shabaab. atleast hirshabelle has political stability even this guy says hirshabelle prez . do you have a prez to begin with? do you accept madoobe as your president? since 2013 you are at war your a war zone and you dare to call other regions a war zones!

qof lagu soo barbaariyay dictatorship hala yaabin inuu dad protest waare ku sameeyay asagoo dhaafi rabay tuuladooda inuu dagaal ka dhigo. this is a drop in the ocean comparing to Gedo

Jowhar security is connected with Xamar after your Farmaajo gets booted out of Xamar Jowhar will be back.

[barbarossa]

It is funny how none of our society's collective ills are never to be found within our respective clans.

Barbarossa,

Please weigh in. Which clan of skinnies has the highest propensity for terrorism?

Murax,

It is a toss-up between the following clans among others: Hutus, Faqash, Iidoor, Raxanweyn iyo Beesha Shanaad. My apologies to other clans which should have been included in the list but were left out.

[zidane88]

Regardless of clan, these brain-washed dogs are Somalia's no1 enemy and should be treated as such. Their main aim is to inflict heavy casualties among Somalis regardless of their clan. We should unite against them to defeat.

[sahal80]

here is proof the futher you go down to the south the more al shabaab controlled regions. Al shabaab controls huge swathes of JL than any other southern region followed by Southwest. because of Kenya, clan conflict, JL is the perfect incubator for terror groups.

[Voltage]

When the issue is one of ideology and the battle lines are sometimes drawn between father and radicalized son, I am not sure what a regional pissing context where these guys are concerned is relevant.

Since a comparison between Hiiraan and Gedo is going on, I will make this point using both Ugaask and Sahal.

It is true, Gedo is the only southern region; nay the only region where Shabaab ever had control that is now with every district free of Shabaab's control. All 7 DISTRICTS ARE FREE OF SHABAAB'S "CONVENTUAL" CONTROL.

Al Shabaab doesn't have any standing conventual forces there at all. This is different to any other region originally part of the Shabaab heartland. For instance, Lower and Middle Shabelle continue to fall back to be retaken.

Hiiraan on the other hand not only has Shabaab active in the Western half of the region with the Shabelle River as the dividing line, but it does so as a CONVENTUAL force in physical control as the law enforcement body. They also do this as a result of an even more disadvantageous reason than exists in Gedo; namely because of the impossibility of a single clan to preside over total control of the region. This is to say, that Shabaab is actively in existence as a conventional force directly as a result of being blessed or in cohoots with politically aggrieved communities.

Yes , the Gedo MR clan are divided sub-clannishly as Sahal highlighted, but their internal squabbling within Marehan does not come at the expense of united clan position where the fight with Shabaab is concerned.

Even so, they are still politically divided between the daily political choices and as a result, Shabaab is able to successfully carry-out hit and run attacks probably on the back of Marehan supporters of the outfit.

Which brings me to a larger point; if they are defeated in the field, the become an insurgency. If you clean the highways, they blend in the towns.

Shabaab supporters are like a virus. You can't see, you can't smell it, you can't stop them much from affecting your own son or brother if their immune system proves vulnerable.

There is really no point in using something like that in the manner ussed in this topic

[Halmogg]

Oh the poor terrorist who travelled hundreds of miles to kill/maim and caught in the mountains with weapons. The barbaric Plers should have got him a lawyer and read him his rights.

[Voltage]

Oh the poor terrorist who travelled hundreds of miles to kill/maim and caught in the mountains with weapons. The barbaric Plers should have got him a lawyer and read him his rights.

He is actively fighting against Law and Order. We are fighting to institute Law and Order.

Even an enemy captured in battle is a human being and must be treated according to OUR SIDE'S VALUES, not his Side's values.

If there is nothing separating us, what is the point of fighting against them? To exchange who presides over the tyranny??

It is also why inn general, I am absolutely against the implementation of the death penalty in the Somalia of now without any laws underpining conventional treatment of prisoners or due process, fair petition to be heard, or non-biased judgement.

Note I am not against the death penalty. An animal who rapes and kills their victim deserves a fair reached death sentence. Similarly for a terrorisr who bombs innocent people walking about their day.

At the least, once under control, prisoners should be treated with basic human rights governing treatment of detainees

[Osob101]

Does it matter where/what clan or region a terrorist is from? The only good Al Shabab/Al Qaeda or what ever damn other shit name they want to call themselves is one that is DEAD AND ROTTING IN YHE DEEPEST PITS OF HELL.

Some of you sit behind a screen in the west while some of us actually had to pay a hard price the day those cursed beings came into existence.

[sahal80]

Koonfurta Somalia waa waxa hiiraan ka danbeeya. Hiiraan waa midland waa meel uu ka jiro dhanka iyo kala danbeynta iyo ugaaska .

Koonfurian Gedo was in the dark ages in 2009 when hiiraan had calmaani generals, dhaqan, minister Omar Hashi and sheekh macow from wadaadada. there was no single ethiopia or amisom back then. things get bad after the assassination of security minister Omar Hashi and the 70 wax garad . it was big jug for us and the worst was hypocrite sh sharif who started depanding on Amisom. omar hashi strategy was to get funds for the army and after he gone sharif told macow the islamust governor "why not invite ethiopia " f-king afarjeele!

the guy said im done with the tfg and dissolved maamulka. this pro tfg maamul existed between nov 2008 to oct 2009. al shabaab controlled only one year until we come back with ethiopia like these afarjeeble wanted!

the strong dhaqan hawadle were uniting all but the koonfurians in our south have no such dhaqan

now look at al shabaabs our own maps. Gedo is No way close to Hiiraan. 60km south east of baladweyne is free-70km to matabaan, 40km to buur ukur ethiopia on the river side. 40 north west of baladweyne(jijeele area) 140km baladweyne- maxaas these are al shabaab free area always. al shabaab starts from moqokori in the south east next to asan yabaal middle shabelle and halgan on the highway where their blockade starts from between halgan and buuloburde and jalalaqsi but we still have dirt roads controlled by macawisleey. forget all that and look east and north west and north and south of baladweyne.
this time Gedo was in dark ages
https://www.hiiraan.com/news/2009/sept/ ... 1-7381.htm

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/somalisw ... slaam/amp/

Gedo liberated in 2011
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Gedo


2016. look the darkness of gedo and look hiiraan

and dont forget that Gedo relys on Xamar troops! when the next president takes back these forces watch out the old war between pro JL janan and pro al shabaab rebels who use al shabaab as a means of resistance!

look at the past of Gedo and barre hiiraale alliance with al shabaab 2013.

for security you need a politically stable region otherwise your opening the doors for al shabaab.

[sahal80]

look this baladweyne jalalaqsi and buuloburde pro TFG

when Itahad-infested Gedo was led by jihadists hiiraan muqaawa was led by our tribal and political leaders

see the big cultural differences here?

omar hashi in halgan on his way to baladweyne
https://www.hiiraan.com/news2/2008/may/ ... iraan.aspx
omar liberated baladweyne not f-king some itixaad
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/somalisw ... weyne/amp/

TFGs hiiraan governor macow
https://www.somalinet.com/forums/viewto ... 7&t=204894

[Osob101]

Sahaloow

Eebow Hiiraan, Gedo, Mugdi Mudug, Xamar etc etc does it really matter at the end of the day? We might all throw some shade to each other here and there and yes I know Voltage is serious and actually believes in his fairy tales LOL, setting that aside. We are all in this mess together.

Arooye horta when was the last time you stepped foot in Somalia. I was in Beledweyne in 2015 and 2016 but only flying from Xamar to return within hours.

[sahal80]

Sahaloow

Eebow Hiiraan, Gedo, Mugdi Mudug, Xamar etc etc does it really matter at the end of the day? We might all throw some shade to each other here and there and yes I know Voltage is serious and actually believes in his fairy tales LOL, setting that aside. We are all in this mess together.

Arooye horta when was the last time you stepped foot in Somalia. I was in Beledweyne in 2015 and 2016 but only flying from Xamar to return within hours.

2017 when left snet for 6 months. geography and culture matters. Hiiraan is the end of gobolada dhexe not deep south you cant compare it to the al shababistan deep south.

look the map of Baladweyne. you have all these villages along the bank river to buur ukur both east and west and then the kalabayr up to matabaan its 70km huge villages that have never heard of Al shabaab. in the east of we have coomaad, teedaan up to maxaas at ceelbuur here we have front against Al shabaab in moqoki in the last town of maxaas next to adan yabaab and we have macawisleey contolled country side from jalalaqsi to buuloburde. the surrendings of baladweyne are another planet. the good thing is now that the Gaaljecel in the southwest of baladweyne are taking up arms now against Al shabaab and there is political reformation and SNA is getting more mixed. Hiiraan is getting modernized firtst time we have non Hawadle army commander he is udeejeen and this will give the army different image when they go to non hawadle area, the police commander is Jijeele and abaanduulaha is gaaljecel the mayor is woman that is what you need for stability.

[paperino]

And thus the predictable, never-tiring, often-repeated, boring narrative of & threads devolving to who is laandheere, laangaab, who got less or more Shabaab, whose dusty village is less or more dusty, etc--continues.

[Voltage]

Osob-

What exactly was wrong with what I said? I am really curious, because I don't think a general caricuture applies specifically in this case. And yes, once again, I have read your response to me in Shabelle Valley thread and I have had time to think about your question regarding bias and have an answer for you that would surprise you---as soon as my chart is brought down to size. I am never one who has thought even once to monetize his input, but recently people that would surprise you (that surprised me) have reached out to me with encouragement to get into the consultancy business. This is not to say I am a famous or even a known person. I am not. I am very private and unknown person.

Rather the encouragement was merely a reflection of readers noticing the amount of care, attention, and honest exchange of information I value. You aren't paying me. I derive no material benefit from working on the chart so dilligently as a response to a central question you posed to me last in MK's thread.

I do it because you asked me a question and I honor the chance to be of service helping teach someone to view a different perspective on this matter. More than once, Sahal has given me verbal confirmation that he understands that at the heart of it, I am motivated by learning and similarly being a resource and of service in return in a mutual benefit of being introduced to new information or introducing someone to a new information.

When I go out of my way to write a post like this, it literally takes value away from me materially.

https://www.somalinet.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=398348

But that is if the intent is anything other than a genuine interest to contribute to free flow of information.

So I don't want to get a head of myself and betray the response I aim to give your question about whether I think I have shown bias (along with introduction to your lawyer/cousin who likes history for a different perspective---the answer is a fock yes btw)---

----but really in all honestly, there is nothing I take more offense to than questioning my intent about how I contribute. It is the only thing that even gets to me at all from here because the way I appropach discussion and the motivation that I have for teaching somebody something about my perspective and learning something from their perspective is answered in every single post.

They are not fairy tales. Fairy tales are illogical. I am so logical about even PUSHING the fact that 1 PLUS 1 is how I got 2, never mind explaning what my answer of 2 means, I might as well be neuritic.

I don't know why Sahal has become very passive aggressive with
me, but even his last response is reactionary. It teaches me nothing except the man is not motivated in that post to teach me something---he is being a disservice to himself and sadly a disservice to someone like me who could learn from hjm even though I am not entitled to his teaching whether I offer in return or not. In fairness, I know why he is passive aggressive and I know the role I had contributing to it, but somebody who loves learning is also naturally a great student----enough to see Sahal has displayed difficulty with taking ownership. It is why I don't expect him to realize the role he had similarly contributing to the communication dysfunction we see in this topic nor even the ability to display humility and yield from a position of strong rather than assumed weakness. People that don't take ownership are always, in their minds, the victims not a contributing cause of disruption. It is always happening to THEM, not something they helped form through their own self-agency. Everything statement is a response, every response is to "their" statement---which is what started it all... Because I won't take ownership.

I think it is best to take my address to him as something uniquely formulated by me as a way of communication from me to Him.

Calling it or my writings "fairy tales" even if you disagree with it is a non-starter.

Disclaimer: Attempting to dismiss my aforementioned viewpoint through an appeal to laughter at the fact I chose to express myself the way I do is a non-starter. Just a preemptive FYI since you have done it to me before. About that btw, I have never once remarked on someone's writing length or correlated length to me understanding something better. In truth, there is probably a much better way of saying what I mean but I haven't discovered it yet. As long as we understand each other, let's not put any emphasis on how we achieve that.

[Osob101]

Voltage

No offense to you but personally but I honestly just do selective reading on what ever you write because I already know what you are going to say. I have told you on multiple occasions, writing with eloquent words does not mean one is competent. FYI numbers/process/production methods interest me more than reading about Sidama iyo balaayo kale.

To make it short, keep doing you and pushing for what ever you believe in.