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Reer Sacad soo dhowaada my new reer abiti

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So this is not to offend, but my theory, as has been explained before, is;

1. Biciidyahan (MJ)
2. Maqaabul (OG)
3. Reer Ayaanle (HG)
4. Toljecle (IQ)

are offshoots of Marehan from the last big offensive/defensive reconfigurations that ended or concluded the long civil war that started with the murder/death of Boqor Mohamed Da'ud Abadir.

1. This ending resulted in the defeat of the original Harari leadership that had retreated from Harar to Aussa.
  • The Afar, with the Ali Da'aud dynasty in Harar, took over Aussa to make it an Afar Sultanate from then on and in the east the retreating Marehan of Emir Nur Dynasty who had by then lost Aussa after Harar, engaged in the battle that ended the war among themselves since the death of Boqor Mohamed Da'ud.

    The different alliances reconfigured and some splintered off to create the bases of Bicidyahan, Maqaabul, Ayaanle, and Toljecle.

    They made new Xeers that made bigger Xeers (i. r. Became "reero" that became "qabiilo").
2. In the beginning of the war that started everything was the death/murder of Boqor Mohamed Da'ud that saw the Marehan retreat from Harar to Aussa to begin with.
  • This is when the Marehan of the Emir Nur Dynasty had moved the administration of Adal to Aussa to begin with and Ali Da'uud Dynasty of Harar City started (which ended with Menelik's capture of Harar).

    In that original start of the long civil war which began inside the Marehan of Harar with members of the Marehan sub-clan of Hawlraarsame accused of the assassination of Boqor Mohamed Da'uud, earlier sets of reconfigurations took place that resulted in splintering to make new Xeer as well with other disjointed groups.

    Some groups that I suspect formed from this are Habar Awal, the Jiidle/Baadicadde, Amaanle of the NE, and Jidwaaq.
These are the originally splintered groups from Marehan just "hanging" around in limbo/periphery with their new made Xeer units that would be who the final splinters from Marehan in the conclusion of the Marehan civil war would join with to make some new big Xeer groups (qolo) today.

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  1. Beginning of the civil war: the death of Boqor Mohamed Da'ud
    • Emir Nur Marehan Dynasty moves Adal to Aussa, Ali Daud Dynasty takes over Harar
      • Offshoots from Marehan make Habar Awal, the Jiidle/Baadicadde, Amaanle of the NE, and Jidwaaq.
  2. Conlusion of the civil war, Hussein Yusuf Matan end battle of succession within Marehan
    • Afar Tribesman + Ali Daud Dynasty in Harar seize Aussa and end Adal, Emir Nur Marehan Dynasty retreats East to Hawd/Somali plains
      • Offshoots from Marehan make bases of Bicidyahan, Maqaabul, Ayaanle, and Toljecle.
  3. Groups A and B reconfigure in myriad of ways to make new Xeer groups ( Somali clans).


What I am saying sounds radical and surprising, but what makes it sound radical and surprising is just hoe understudied and unscientifically critqued Somali clan formation is.

Of course the above is a theory, but I can assure you it's scientifically based hypothesis and not on subjective oral guesswork.
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Gubbet wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 12:45 am So this is not to offend, but my theory, as has been explained before, is;

1. Biciidyahan (MJ)
2. Maqaabul (OG)
3. Reer Ayaanle (HG)
4. Toljecle (IQ)

are offshoots of Marehan from the last big offensive/defensive reconfigurations that ended or concluded the long civil war that started with the murder/death of Boqor Mohamed Da'ud Abadir.

1. This ending resulted in the defeat of the original Harari leadership that had retreated from Harar to Aussa.
  • The Afar, with the Ali Da'aud dynasty in Harar, took over Aussa to make it an Afar Sultanate from then on and in the east the retreating Marehan of Emir Nur Dynasty who had by then lost Aussa after Harar, engaged in the battle that ended the war among themselves since the death of Boqor Mohamed Da'ud.

    The different alliances reconfigured and some splintered off to create the bases of Bicidyahan, Maqaabul, Ayaanle, and Toljecle.

    They made new Xeers that made bigger Xeers (i. r. Became "reero" that became "qabiilo").
2. In the beginning of the war that started everything was the death/murder of Boqor Mohamed Da'ud that saw the Marehan retreat from Harar to Aussa to begin with.
  • This is when the Marehan of the Emir Nur Dynasty had moved the administration of Adal to Aussa to begin with and Ali Da'uud Dynasty of Harar City started (which ended with Menelik's capture of Harar).

    In that original start of the long civil war which began inside the Marehan of Harar with members of the Marehan sub-clan of Hawlraarsame accused of the assassination of Boqor Mohamed Da'uud, earlier sets of reconfigurations took place that resulted in splintering to make new Xeer as well with other disjointed groups.

    Some groups that I suspect formed from this are Habar Awal, the Jiidle/Baadicadde, Amaanle of the NE, and Jidwaaq.
These are the originally splintered groups from Marehan just "hanging" around in limbo/periphery with their new made Xeer units that would be who the final splinters from Marehan in the conclusion of the Marehan civil war would join with to make some new big Xeer groups (qolo) today.

.
  1. Beginning of the civil war: the death of Boqor Mohamed Da'ud
    • Emir Nur Marehan Dynasty moves Adal to Aussa, Ali Daud Dynasty takes over Harar
      • Offshoots from Marehan make Habar Awal, the Jiidle/Baadicadde, Amaanle of the NE, and Jidwaaq.
  2. Conlusion of the civil war, Hussein Yusuf Matan end battle of succession within Marehan
    • Afar Tribesman + Ali Daud Dynasty in Harar seize Aussa and end Adal, Emir Nur Marehan Dynasty retreats East to Hawd/Somali plains
      • Offshoots from Marehan make bases of Bicidyahan, Maqaabul, Ayaanle, and Toljecle.
  3. Groups A and B reconfigure in myriad of ways to make new Xeer groups ( Somali clans).


What I am saying sounds radical and surprising, but what makes it sound radical and surprising is just hoe understudied and unscientifically critqued Somali clan formation is.

Of course the above is a theory, but I can assure you it's scientifically based hypothesis and not on subjective oral guesswork.
Good read bro, please extend this theory it's soundsr interesting :up:
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Glad for the Galmudug, DDSI understanding. Shoutout to my Makaahiil Reer Ayeeyo :up:
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Maqabul clan has 3 Sacads

sacad maxmad gumacdle
sacad gacanwayne
sacad Amuudaan

sacad Gacanwayne also called sacad xagal consist of 4 sub clans ; samane,ubaxle,xasan,nuux
sacad Maxamd also known as sacad siciid consist of 2 sub clans ; Cabdalle iyo Cawareere
sacad Amuudaan branches into 2; ibraahim iyo Xasan
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Re: Makaahiil/Sacad Reunification (Pact of Galmudug and Wardeer)....

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Seedyare wrote: Sun Mar 28, 2021 3:05 pm Maqabul clan has 3 Sacads

sacad maxmad gumacdle
sacad gacanwayne
sacad Amuudaan

sacad Gacanwayne also called sacad xagal consist of 4 sub clans ; samane,ubaxle,xasan,nuux
sacad Maxamd also known as sacad siciid consist of 2 sub clans ; Cabdalle iyo Cawareere
sacad Amuudaan branches into 2; ibraahim iyo Xasan
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Re: Makaahiil/Sacad Reunification (Pact of Galmudug and Wardeer)....

Post by Gubbet »

Kees, I agree with the general theory that Sacad, HG are composed of Muqaabul (OG).

But the reason there was a "fissure" is pretty obvious if you look at historical mapping.

1.They are both from an original body that broke away from Marehan.
2.They straddled a half-moon🌙 like boundary of Marehan.
3. The general Marehan body then broke them apart moving north and south.

I say "part" of Sacad (HG) because Sacad (HG) has a different component the original Muqaabul group formed with considering they were the much smaller group when Marehan hroke Muqaabul physically.

The other part of Sacad HG is from BENADIR and includes a union of Biyamaal and Moorshe (rer Xamar of gibil madoow variety.


Strangely aspects of thisbhas been preserved in Sacad internal "xan"/gossip and the Biyamaal/Moorshe component isn't limited to Sacad either but also has infused with Saleebaan.

The other component of Saleebaan is from the gradient that made Karanle - Udeejeen which is from IIMEEY/BALE.
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