Last piece in the puzzle that will reunify MX completely is 1 Ugaas

[grandpakhalif]

ReturnOfMariixman every clan needs a leadership based core and that is what NGM is referring too. MX thrive under strong leaders like Amiir Nuur and Siad Barre because we respect power and authority. Every succesful clan has a leadership class, wadaad class and military brass.

Look at Mucalimu today he is stuck in Xamar because he disobeyed orders and now has to pay the price. If he respected the leadership class he would not be in such a predicament

[NGM]

He’s a oday. I look at dhaqan in general as a tool for politicians and foreign entities. That’s why I want 1p1v but we need some type of order as well. I’m conflicted bro. I want to add modernity but tradition is still strong with us. I’m actually pragmatic but we definitely reform in dhaqan, business, Xeer a lot of things sxb.

Do you think 1p1v will make the dhaqan obsolete ? look at SL and Dhulbahante, Jamac Siyaad is basically Rer Dalal gone rogue, instead of using their power to empower Bahrarsame and make Dhulbahante fall inline under one Garad, they did what Rer Siyaad and Rer Nuur tried to do, and they just crowned their own Ugaas since they are Shireshore themselves.

The Dhaqan will always be relevant, and neither should we want to make it irrelevant, we want to clean house and 1p1v definitely will help with that, but it is also done regardless of outside legislation, it has and can be done internally using our age old xeer, and Sade House must always maintain order and kaladambeyn for success, the alternative is a bleak future, thankfully the new generation understand this.

And bro you not wrong 1p1v is definitely going to empower us but the dhaqan will always be relevant, so I agree with you but not to the extend where we thrown dhaqanka away, that is communism , been there done that

I’m not against order and kaladambeyn. What I against is too much centralization in power within Beesha. That leads to ruin and mediocrity. As for that’s too much communism, I slightly disagree. Xeer should be democratic and based on power realities not just dhalasho. This is the Boqor Maxamed Daud curse the new generation has to solve internally. For Dhulbahante, I don’t speak on their division, that’s internal Shirshoore affairs, all we can do is offer taalo as brothers. MXs aren’t known to meddle in kinship affairs that’s why the silent majority of Darood support us. Lastly, I don’t disagree with you on not eradicating dhaqan. But dhaqan shouldn’t be so stiff and inflexible to the point it can lead to communal division. No, like all order - it is based on Xeer, the greatest non Somali and non Muslim Xeer is the US constitution - which was made flexible enough to reflect the times while respecting traditional interests in the country. Fun fact? It was based on Native American Xeer - the Iroquois Nation. Natural law is universal but to stay universal it must make room for adaptability or it’ll become static and unloved. That is my view.

Consider Dhaqan a series of judgements, the next judgement is based on the previous and cannot waver too much from it as it threatens the social contract that make these choices legitimate in the first place, and consider the Hogaamiye Dhaqan in our case the Ugaas the constant that acts as the closing thread to the social fabric it can essentially only be dhalasho.

the restructure will however be reflected on the political arena, look Afar waaxood has been completely eradicated politically, but dhaqan wise its still there, amending that xeer is going to be done tactfully not brazenly, if I say to Howrarsame and Habar Ciise fok off I am not going to give you hiil or pay mag in time of war, they will do what Rer Cismaan, but yeah as far as politics its easy to correct errors like this, and this is what I wish for Gedo and Jubboyinka, with Rer Hassan taking lead and ilmo Amaanreer following. Tampering with the Dhaqan is a fools game.

[ReturnOfMariixmaan]

ReturnOfMariixman every clan needs a leadership based core and that is what NGM is referring too. MX thrive under strong leaders like Amiir Nuur and Siad Barre because we respect power and authority. Every succesful clan has a leadership class, wadaad class and military brass.

Look at Mucalimu today he is stuck in Xamar because he disobeyed orders and now has to pay the price. If he respected the leadership class he would not be in such a predicament

The thing with Moalimu - this film was shot before and it didn’t end well for both of us. Moalimu is a Laandheere in the gobol. This is a reality you have to accept. If not MXs didn’t learn from the past and what we tell each other is a lie sxb. That is my view.

[ReturnOfMariixmaan]

Do you think 1p1v will make the dhaqan obsolete ? look at SL and Dhulbahante, Jamac Siyaad is basically Rer Dalal gone rogue, instead of using their power to empower Bahrarsame and make Dhulbahante fall inline under one Garad, they did what Rer Siyaad and Rer Nuur tried to do, and they just crowned their own Ugaas since they are Shireshore themselves.

The Dhaqan will always be relevant, and neither should we want to make it irrelevant, we want to clean house and 1p1v definitely will help with that, but it is also done regardless of outside legislation, it has and can be done internally using our age old xeer, and Sade House must always maintain order and kaladambeyn for success, the alternative is a bleak future, thankfully the new generation understand this.

And bro you not wrong 1p1v is definitely going to empower us but the dhaqan will always be relevant, so I agree with you but not to the extend where we thrown dhaqanka away, that is communism , been there done that

I’m not against order and kaladambeyn. What I against is too much centralization in power within Beesha. That leads to ruin and mediocrity. As for that’s too much communism, I slightly disagree. Xeer should be democratic and based on power realities not just dhalasho. This is the Boqor Maxamed Daud curse the new generation has to solve internally. For Dhulbahante, I don’t speak on their division, that’s internal Shirshoore affairs, all we can do is offer taalo as brothers. MXs aren’t known to meddle in kinship affairs that’s why the silent majority of Darood support us. Lastly, I don’t disagree with you on not eradicating dhaqan. But dhaqan shouldn’t be so stiff and inflexible to the point it can lead to communal division. No, like all order - it is based on Xeer, the greatest non Somali and non Muslim Xeer is the US constitution - which was made flexible enough to reflect the times while respecting traditional interests in the country. Fun fact? It was based on Native American Xeer - the Iroquois Nation. Natural law is universal but to stay universal it must make room for adaptability or it’ll become static and unloved. That is my view.

Consider Dhaqan a series of judgements, the next judgement is based on the previous and cannot waver too much from it as it threatens the social contract that make these choices legitimate in the first place, and consider the Hogaamiye Dhaqan in our case the Ugaas the constant that acts as the closing thread to the social fabric it can essentially only be dhalasho.

the restructure will however be reflected on the political arena, look Afar waaxood has been completely eradicated politically, but dhaqan wise its still there, amending that xeer is going to be done tactfully not brazenly, if I say to Howrarsame and Habar Ciise fok off I am not going to give you hiil or pay mag in time of war, they will do what Rer Cismaan, but yeah as far as politics its easy to correct errors like this, and this is what I wish for Gedo and Jubboyinka, with Rer Hassan taking lead and ilmo Amaanreer following. Tampering with the Dhaqan is a fools game.

NGM,

I compared your answer to Grandpa’s answer. And it showed me why you and me are in sync on most things. But there’s one area I’m very against. I highly disagree with your attitude against Hawrarsame and Habar Ciise! Habar Ciise I think you meant Habar Yacquub! Secondly, Xeer should always be PROGRESSIVE not REGRESSIVE! Should all the descendants of Hawrarsame and MX clans pay forever for the crimes of a bygone era centuries ago? Their nobility isn’t in doubt. But the law made them exiled. If true MX unity is be to achieved and real mutually respected order is to stand. We must be honest with each other. Our superior attitude should be outwards not inwards - it the highest sign of reer baadiyonimo that MXs aren’t lenient with each other but their enemies. And this is a failure of the leadership class. On your political thing for Gedo we’re in agreement. Lastly, grandpa when i said you react before you think your post is the perfect example why. This will be resolved with Moalimu. That’s why I’m not really worried sxb.

[grandpakhalif]

Mucalimu bit the hand that fed him and insulted FGS and Kulane Jiis the ultra commander of NISA. Instead of thanking the government hes attacking them playing victim, seems like MX are waking up to that guy.

Poor guy I heard Farmaajo cut his security and hotel cheque the silent killer this Pres is

[ReturnOfMariixmaan]

Mucalimu bit the hand that fed him and insulted FGS and Kulane Jiis the ultra commander of NISA. Instead of thanking the government hes attacking them playing victim, seems like MX are waking up to that guy.

Poor guy I heard Farmaajo cut his security and hotel cheque the silent killer this Pres is

Is this supposed to make me mad? This is your insecurities showing not mines. In the end I’ll be right. Unlike you grandpa I know Gedo more than you sxb. There’s a reason why you don’t want him going back to Gedo sxb. We both know why. I’ll leave it there.

[Jimbie]

He’s a oday. I look at dhaqan in general as a tool for politicians and foreign entities. That’s why I want 1p1v but we need some type of order as well. I’m conflicted bro. I want to add modernity but tradition is still strong with us. I’m actually pragmatic but we definitely reform in dhaqan, business, Xeer a lot of things sxb.

Do you think 1p1v will make the dhaqan obsolete ? look at SL and Dhulbahante, Jamac Siyaad is basically Rer Dalal gone rogue, instead of using their power to empower Bahrarsame and make Dhulbahante fall inline under one Garad, they did what Rer Siyaad and Rer Nuur tried to do, and they just crowned their own Ugaas since they are Shireshore themselves.

The Dhaqan will always be relevant, and neither should we want to make it irrelevant, we want to clean house and 1p1v definitely will help with that, but it is also done regardless of outside legislation, it has and can be done internally using our age old xeer, and Sade House must always maintain order and kaladambeyn for success, the alternative is a bleak future, thankfully the new generation understand this.

And bro you not wrong 1p1v is definitely going to empower us but the dhaqan will always be relevant, so I agree with you but not to the extend where we thrown dhaqanka away, that is communism , been there done that

I’m not against order and kaladambeyn. What I against is too much centralization in power within Beesha.

Good point... the times have changed the mechanism have changed. centralized ugas leadership did not work in the past what makes you think it works in 2021? The mechanisms have evolved past this ancient and outdated system so much it’s 2021 we now have better and more efficient governing systems.

[ReturnOfMariixmaan]

Do you think 1p1v will make the dhaqan obsolete ? look at SL and Dhulbahante, Jamac Siyaad is basically Rer Dalal gone rogue, instead of using their power to empower Bahrarsame and make Dhulbahante fall inline under one Garad, they did what Rer Siyaad and Rer Nuur tried to do, and they just crowned their own Ugaas since they are Shireshore themselves.

The Dhaqan will always be relevant, and neither should we want to make it irrelevant, we want to clean house and 1p1v definitely will help with that, but it is also done regardless of outside legislation, it has and can be done internally using our age old xeer, and Sade House must always maintain order and kaladambeyn for success, the alternative is a bleak future, thankfully the new generation understand this.

And bro you not wrong 1p1v is definitely going to empower us but the dhaqan will always be relevant, so I agree with you but not to the extend where we thrown dhaqanka away, that is communism , been there done that

I’m not against order and kaladambeyn. What I against is too much centralization in power within Beesha.

Good point... the times have changed the mechanism have changed. centralized ugas leadership did not work in the past what makes you think it works in 2021? The mechanisms have evolved past this ancient and outdated system so much it’s 2021 we now have better and more efficient governing systems.

You understood my point very well. Our ancient Xeer should reflect the times and be amenable in that light. No MX clan wants to return to leadership that doesn’t benefit us or our regions. MXs went back to badiyo during the qax. It’s time to build and build on solid and realistic grounds

[Thecoolguysomali]

f-king dirty langab boons what do you guys do but argue about your shitty qabiil which couldn't achieve shit!You guys live all in shitty desert tuulos and don't even actively invest in your lands and get smoked up you are a shame and embarassment amongst beesha darood.

[nine]

ReturnOfMariixman every clan needs a leadership based core and that is what NGM is referring too. MX thrive under strong leaders like Amiir Nuur and Siad Barre because we respect power and authority. Every succesful clan has a leadership class, wadaad class and military brass.

Look at Mucalimu today he is stuck in Xamar because he disobeyed orders and now has to pay the price. If he respected the leadership class he would not be in such a predicament

When Barre Hiiraale took a soft stance towards MX dissidents he was disrespected. Beesha respects and does well strong leaders or strong Colonels/Generals who show force. All this nacnac about doorasho and will of the people is BS. There should be an Ugaas dictator with a monopoly over violence.
Monarchy is undisputably more stable than electing officials. Monarchy + monopoly over violence >> republicanism libertarianism etc.

[Gubbet]

Interesting take. I will wait for the other side to rebuttal. This is a matter between Ilmo Ugaas Diini,

I literally grit my teeth when you say this. Nothing in this topic is about "Ilmo Ugaas Diini."

Also, because you have not shown understanding of it (otherwise you would have fact checked the entire misinformation the topic rests on), at the very least it is a Marehan basic fact to know;

1. The Ugaas Guud line in Gedo is from Ugaas Guuleed Ugaas Shermaarke Ugaas Diini.

This is why the Ugaas in Gedo is Ugaas Guud.

2. The Sade Bari line in Galmudug is from Shirwac Ugaas Shermaarke Ugaas Diini. This is why the Ugaas in Galmudug is junior.

3. Guuleed was the eldest son of Ugaas Shermaarke. Shirwac was the 2nd oldest. They are both from bah-Majerten. The Guuleed line was the Marehan Ugaas until Ugaas Mohamed with his son and replacement Hersi relocated to Jubbaland in early part.of Galti migration.

4. After a little bit, it became apparent Marehan Ximan required the direct representation of the Ugas there especially with creeping colonization, so a deputized representation of the Ugaas (a sort of Grand Duke or Principality) was sourced from the 2nd eldest line of Ugaas Shermaarke----Shirwac---- and the person settled on was the ever wise, and long lived granduncle of the main Ugaas; Cabdulle Ali (all his descendents seem to have inherited the longevity as well looking at how long folks like Ciise Ugaas and Xaawo Ugaas Faarax lived).

5. So the Ugaas Guud in Gedo goes into Ugaas Guuleed Ugaas Shermaarke; they are reer Ugaas Guuleed.

6. The Sade Bari Ugaas goes into Shirwac Ugaas Shermaarke; they are reer Shirwac. PM Cabdiwali Sheekh Axmed is reer Shirwac for example.

• Ugaas Diini
  • Ugaas Shermaarke
    1. Ugaas Guled
       • Ugaas Jaamac
         • Ugaas Ali
           • Ugaas Guled
             • Ugaas Maxamed<--- Moved to the Jubba during early Galti migration
               • Ugaas Hersi
                 • Ugaas Hashi
                 • Ugaas Cumar
    2. Shirwac
       • Ali
         • Ugaas Cabdulle <----- He was crowned in Ximan as jr Ugaas after main Ugaas line settled in Jubba
           • Ugaas Ciise
           • Ugaas Faarax
             • Ugaas Siraaji
             • Ugaas Axmed
               • Ugaas Maxamed

The whole topic rests on the false assumption the Sade Guud and Sade Bari Ugaasyo are from "Cabdulle."

That's also what informs the misunderstanding an issue like this is about 1 popular figure being able to replace 1 unpopular figure.

No, it is an institutional manner; the Ugaad Guud is from "Reer Ugaas Guuleed Ugaas Shermaarke" ONLY.

Sourcing the Ugaas representation in Ximan from a "junior" "Shirwac Ugaas Shermaarke" line was precisely done to ward of ever linking the two issues about which is Ugaas Guud and which is deputized.

Ironically it was done to institutionally guard against the very disruption expressed in this topic.

It is not then surprising that a misunderstanding about the basic facts of the situation is the only way such a disruption could have been theorized.

/Thread

[Gubbet]

Isnt Rer Hassan Ugaas in bed with Madoobe? Ugaas Yarow?

Yeah he’s in Kismaayo but we’ll deal with him.

Yall need to clean house Reer Diini stance in clear, Maxamed Sayid Adan and Yarow the idiot Fartaag will not be returning this year for Senator that is for sure but those two are the worst examples of Marehan tomfoolery.

Grandpa, your tone is incredibly offensive and I have seen you display this lack of wisdom a number of times in all circumstances, so I am going to take this opportunity to call you in the hopes you will take a good look at it and reconsider the lack of awareness you display.

Saddam is Hassan Gaashireedle. You are Isaaq Gaashireedle.

Hassan is an institution even succeeding the power of Isaaq in the almost total space where Hassan lives.

If you are cacooned in Caabudwaaq surrounded on 4 fronts by other Marehan and your sense of hubris is informed by the Diini Island that has had Marehan sea protecting it on 4 corners, reer Hassan has not even had SOMALI support facing off with Booraam and whoever else in places like Liibaan.

You are speaking the same childish, petulant, embarrassing lack of basic garasho and caqli that causes someone else of your background to start a topic like this based on wrong facts or insultingly lie about other Marehan clans like what he said about Habar Ciise.

Wallahi both of your indhadeeg are fighting words in Somalia. I have heard of LESS that caused men to kill each other within Marehan.

I think, as I have always said, there is a fundamental problem here where a basic.level of respect and dignity is spitefully and intentionally denied to people who are Marehan by others claiming to be Marehan.

It is disturbing.

You treat and you speak and you reference any single Sade the way you would want your own father or grandfather treated or spoken to or referenced.

In fsct, every single human is deserving.of that basic level of civility if nothing else.

Reconsider the way you choose to express yourself. It is not a positive reflection.

And I do apologize for my sharp tone, but the point is the intention.

[NGM]

I’m not against order and kaladambeyn. What I against is too much centralization in power within Beesha. That leads to ruin and mediocrity. As for that’s too much communism, I slightly disagree. Xeer should be democratic and based on power realities not just dhalasho. This is the Boqor Maxamed Daud curse the new generation has to solve internally. For Dhulbahante, I don’t speak on their division, that’s internal Shirshoore affairs, all we can do is offer taalo as brothers. MXs aren’t known to meddle in kinship affairs that’s why the silent majority of Darood support us. Lastly, I don’t disagree with you on not eradicating dhaqan. But dhaqan shouldn’t be so stiff and inflexible to the point it can lead to communal division. No, like all order - it is based on Xeer, the greatest non Somali and non Muslim Xeer is the US constitution - which was made flexible enough to reflect the times while respecting traditional interests in the country. Fun fact? It was based on Native American Xeer - the Iroquois Nation. Natural law is universal but to stay universal it must make room for adaptability or it’ll become static and unloved. That is my view.

Consider Dhaqan a series of judgements, the next judgement is based on the previous and cannot waver too much from it as it threatens the social contract that make these choices legitimate in the first place, and consider the Hogaamiye Dhaqan in our case the Ugaas the constant that acts as the closing thread to the social fabric it can essentially only be dhalasho.

the restructure will however be reflected on the political arena, look Afar waaxood has been completely eradicated politically, but dhaqan wise its still there, amending that xeer is going to be done tactfully not brazenly, if I say to Howrarsame and Habar Ciise fok off I am not going to give you hiil or pay mag in time of war, they will do what Rer Cismaan, but yeah as far as politics its easy to correct errors like this, and this is what I wish for Gedo and Jubboyinka, with Rer Hassan taking lead and ilmo Amaanreer following. Tampering with the Dhaqan is a fools game.

NGM,

I compared your answer to Grandpa’s answer. And it showed me why you and me are in sync on most things. But there’s one area I’m very against. I highly disagree with your attitude against Hawrarsame and Habar Ciise! Habar Ciise I think you meant Habar Yacquub! Secondly, Xeer should always be PROGRESSIVE not REGRESSIVE! Should all the descendants of Hawrarsame and MX clans pay forever for the crimes of a bygone era centuries ago? Their nobility isn’t in doubt. But the law made them exiled. If true MX unity is be to achieved and real mutually respected order is to stand. We must be honest with each other. Our superior attitude should be outwards not inwards - it the highest sign of reer baadiyonimo that MXs aren’t lenient with each other but their enemies. And this is a failure of the leadership class. On your political thing for Gedo we’re in agreement. Lastly, grandpa when i said you react before you think your post is the perfect example why. This will be resolved with Moalimu. That’s why I’m not really worried sxb.

Ugaas line existed for many generations before it over took the MX leadership from Rer Garaad, they have track record of unlocking new lands for MX, defeating enemies, and keeping order within Beesha, Rer Hassan has a special place in my consideration because they singlehandedly did that, so of course Hassan Galshireedle can become MX leaders tomorrow, 50 years from now or 500 years from now, to me it makes no difference, there are already alot of powerful lines running parallel to the Ugaas line, it is just a matter of time saxib, if it was not for Rer Dalal the Ugaas line would be completely rejected by rest of MX I know this for a fact, we are that strong, and the Ugaas line continues to serve MX through us, and this is what makes it legitimate, an Ugaas who does not serve his people is like a lose closing thread and his order will unravel easily, this is why Ugaas Mohamed in Caabudwaaq will relocate to Garbaharey and start working there to strenghten MX unity and success.



I understand Rer Hassan, Talxe, Howrarsame, grievances but that is issue you have with Galti, I see Galti as a stain on our legacy, they started off well but last 30 years they were nothing but a nuisance to MX, this is why I support corrective measures in the politics of Gedo. The same Galti creating problems in Gedo lost us Kismaayo,

these sort of things is reality in every society, there is always going to be trouble makers, ambitious fools and corrupt abuse of power, this is what I am fighting against because I want prosperity for MX through unity.

[NGM]

ReturnOfMariixman every clan needs a leadership based core and that is what NGM is referring too. MX thrive under strong leaders like Amiir Nuur and Siad Barre because we respect power and authority. Every succesful clan has a leadership class, wadaad class and military brass.

Look at Mucalimu today he is stuck in Xamar because he disobeyed orders and now has to pay the price. If he respected the leadership class he would not be in such a predicament

When Barre Hiiraale took a soft stance towards MX dissidents he was disrespected. Beesha respects and does well strong leaders or strong Colonels/Generals who show force. All this nacnac about doorasho and will of the people is BS. There should be an Ugaas dictator with a monopoly over violence.
Monarchy is undisputably more stable than electing officials. Monarchy + monopoly over violence >> republicanism libertarianism etc.

Hiiraale was halyeey MX but I fell out with him due to his lack of risk analysis and carelessness, this seems to be a trait among Rer Koshin, this is the exact same uninformed BS Siyaad Barre did when he fokin armed Makahiil out of all clans, just because they are his Rer Abti, the same niggas we have been fighting NO BLOOD MONEY for generations. The once killed a young 10 year old Rer Dalal boy north of Wardheer where they are majority, cut off the kids head and stole his camels, we had no xeer with these midgo and we went to war raided them to nearby Dhegaxbuur, this happened not that long ago in the 40s, 100s of Rer Dalal from a juffo hooseed rode out only 27 returned, but they had killed so many Makahiil left a trail of bodies and this is probably why they have cuqdad to this day. Ever since 1930s we had nothing to do with Makahiil, prior to the 30s yes we stole camels from each other for sport, but the walwal war they took side of Habeshi this is what made them midgo, to this day they say MX are not Ethiopians lol, damn right we not ethiopians but we live in Ethiopia as free Somalis, while they live as slaves.

[NGM]

Voltage afarta gees xagee buu MX iga deganyahay war waxaa tahay laangaab cuqdadeysan oo xaqiida inkirayo ! Qamuudan anaa Dalal oo khadka ka adeegsado, Galaadi ana Dalal oo geedwalbo harsado, Wardheer anaa Dalal oo Miirkhalif ka soo talaabsadey, Shilaabo ana Dalal oo shidaalka shilin ka dhiganayo, Dhusomareb ana Dalal oo Hulkujir dhuusada Hawiye ku reebay, Xeraale ana Dalal oo lagala xisaabtamo.

adaa ah baqti xun oo ba'ayeeste dhulkiis ayaanle cayr ku xaragoodo 2021 Gedo baa u carartaa iyo Caabudwaaq go defend your land from Ayaanle Cayr, Rer Dalal baa ku waalataye.