Xawaadle needs to be checked for T. Sahal take take a genetic test?

[Gubbet]

North, this is like the difference between Somalia and Somali.


There is an ethnic Somali people of primarily similar characteristics and apparently genetic back ground (e3b majority, T minority).

Then there are citizens of Somalia who are just as much Somali citizens as ethnic Somalis.

Similarly there are an existing Darood (and Hawiye, etc) clansmen sharing the Xeer contracr that resulted from sitting down somewhere and insuring each other against MAG/DIYYA. THIS IS AN ACTUAL REALITY THAT IS IDENTIFIED BY THE VERY NATURE OF XEER GROUP EXISTING.

FURTHERMORE you can even say the Darod xeer group began the earliest or was most developed or reached maturity earlier, etc than all the other groups because from the first description of Somali clans to now, IT IS THE ONLY UNCHANGED XEER. The way it was described in 1805 is the way it was described in 1905 is the way it was described in 2005. It was "complete" so early that the bridge was pulled up and there has not been any questions about its composition. Really you can say all of Somali Xeer can be put in one basket and Darood will be in a different basket in terms of how closed/complete/concluded/finished the Darod xeer is and the incomplete/open/editable the other Xeer system are. The closest has been the Isaaq Xeer but even the Northern Dir/Ayduur/4.5 Mahe Direed theories is a reflection tgat Isaaq Xeer has not reached the degree of completedness of Darod Xeer.

However, by GENETIC EVIDENCE (HI SAHAL), we know the mythical story of Arab Sheikh who had 5 sons is not true for tge simple fact the overwhelming majority of Darod are paternally E3B. Eveb the randon J is negligible as a group inference, you can't even call it a minority. It is a statistical noise that is more explained by inducted individuals over long periods of time. It is like me having first cousins who are Egyptian paternally and back in the day my male Egyptian cousin is inducted/diya payment into his mother's qabiil whom he already considers himself a part of.

So Darod as a Xeer group exist, but descent from Darod Arab man storyline is completely false based on genetic evidence.

Now we do more detailed testing to see how Darod are related to each other on a scientific,group based testing with control abd legitimate experimental methodology.

Not only Darod but other Xeers and special groups of distinction like the Tumaal as a group,tge Madhibaan as a group, groups who have historical claims concerning each other, and stabd alone groups like XAWAADLE and GARRE, etc.

It is interesting.

Can you imagine how lucky we are that we can finally put our mythology to SCIENTIFIC TESTING.

If Sahal was Darood and I wasn't saying DAAROOD IS FAKE DUE TO TESTING Sahal would be accusing me of insulting him as Darood.

Somalis are so insecure when it comes to this stuff

[Northkil6]

North, this is like the difference between Somalia and Somali.


There is an ethnic Somali people of primarily similar characteristics and apparently genetic back ground (e3b majority, T minority).

Then there are citizens of Somalia who are just as much Somali citizens as ethnic Somalis.

Similarly there are an existing Darood (and Hawiye, etc) clansmen sharing the Xeer contracr that resulted from sitting down somewhere and insuring each other against MAG/DIYYA. THIS IS AN ACTUAL REALITY THAT IS IDENTIFIED BY THE VERY NATURE OF XEER GROUP EXISTING.

FURTHERMORE you can even say the Darod xeer group began the earliest or was most developed or reached maturity earlier, etc than all the other groups because from the first description of Somali clans to now, IT IS THE ONLY UNCHANGED XEER. The way it was described in 1805 is the way it was described in 1905 is the way it was described in 2005. It was "complete" so early that the bridge was pulled up and there has not been any questions about its composition. Really you can say all of Somali Xeer can be put in one basket and Darood will be in a different basket in terms of how closed/complete/concluded/finished the Darod xeer is and the incomplete/open/editable the other Xeer system are. The closest has been the Isaaq Xeer but even the Northern Dir/Ayduur/4.5 Mahe Direed theories is a reflection tgat Isaaq Xeer has not reached the degree of completedness of Darod Xeer.

However, by GENETIC EVIDENCE (HI SAHAL), we know the mythical story of Arab Sheikh who had 5 sons is not true for tge simple fact the overwhelming majority of Darod are paternally E3B. Eveb the randon J is negligible as a group inference, you can't even call it a minority. It is a statistical noise that is more explained by inducted individuals over long periods of time. It is like me having first cousins who are Egyptian paternally and back in the day my male Egyptian cousin is inducted/diya payment into his mother's qabiil whom he already considers himself a part of.

So Darod as a Xeer group exist, but descent from Darod Arab man storyline is completely false based on genetic evidence.

Now we do more detailed testing to see how Darod are related to each other on a scientific,group based testing with control abd legitimate experimental methodology.

Not only Darod but other Xeers and special groups of distinction like the Tumaal as a group,tge Madhibaan as a group, groups who have historical claims concerning each other, and stabd alone groups like XAWAADLE and GARRE, etc.

It is interesting.

Can you imagine how lucky we are that we can finally put our mythology to SCIENTIFIC TESTING.

If Sahal was Darood and I wasn't saying DAAROOD IS FAKE DUE TO TESTING Sahal would be accusing me of insulting him as Darood.

Somalis are so insecure when it comes to this stuff

Thanks G, very interesting indeed

[mahoka]

Gubbet what are u saying xawaadle isn't hawiye.
Or dir isn't somali

You as Sacad Muuse (mostly E3b) are closer to Mareexaan (completely E3b) paternally than you are to Habar Yoonis (completely T1) so which one is Isaaq if he existed and what does it make of the other group that isn't?

We are not related. You sound like an African American begging a white person no offence.

We aren’t even the same race, our skin colours are different, the structure of our noses and skulls are completely different, the size of our lips are different, the texture of our hair is different. Our IQ levels are different. I am not even close to your cousins like the ogaden who live near me in Ethiopia.

No offence but don’t repeat what you said again, it comes off as desperate

[Gubbet]

Gubbet what are u saying xawaadle isn't hawiye.
Or dir isn't somali

You as Sacad Muuse (mostly E3b) are closer to Mareexaan (completely E3b) paternally than you are to Habar Yoonis (completely T1) so which one is Isaaq if he existed and what does it make of the other group that isn't?

We are not related. You sound like an African American begging a white person no offence.

We aren’t even the same race, our skin colours are different, the structure of our noses and skulls are completely different, the size of our lips are different, the texture of our hair is different. Our IQ levels are different. I am not even close to your cousins like the ogaden who live near me in Ethiopia.

No offence but don’t repeat what you said again, it comes off as desperate

Are you past your teens? I am serious.

Let me tell you something; breath, go to school, learn the scientific method. I am 100% dead serious.

[STARKAST]

You as Sacad Muuse (mostly E3b) are closer to Mareexaan (completely E3b) paternally than you are to Habar Yoonis (completely T1) so which one is Isaaq if he existed and what does it make of the other group that isn't?

We are not related. You sound like an African American begging a white person no offence.

We aren’t even the same race, our skin colours are different, the structure of our noses and skulls are completely different, the size of our lips are different, the texture of our hair is different. Our IQ levels are different. I am not even close to your cousins like the ogaden who live near me in Ethiopia.

No offence but don’t repeat what you said again, it comes off as desperate

Are you past your teens? I am serious.

Let me tell you something; breath, go to school, learn the scientific method. I am 100% dead serious.

Your replying to Khadija Ali

[Jabuutawi]

The Isaaacs of Gabiley, Arabsiyo or the Sacad Muse are increasingly becoming the sheegads versus the looma ooyans of the east, Burco and such, according to new genetic data. They know this among themselves. It is an open secret a layman can understand.

Just watch him come back calling Ciise qooti, etc., when in reality, his subclans are the remnants of Qooti invasion after the collapse of Adal.

Can you share in detail/written form of Darood Xeer? I want to compare it to my xeer.

[Gubbet]

War Xeer Daarood waabuu jiray, 5tii qaybood ku heshiisaa wali heshiis ku aha lakin shantii baa qowmiyadoo kala noqday.

Maareexaan keliya 3 Xeer Leh; Xeer Sade Bari, Xeer Guri, iyo Xeer Galti. Lakin kor waxay ka midaysanyihiin Xeer Mareexaan. Xeer Mareexaane waxuu hoos yimaadaa dalada Xeer Daarood.

For example do this is how Xeer Mareexaan divides national powersharing between Marehan Galmudug and Marehan Jubba

No Marehan has AN ACTUAL powersharing system that is not about "understanding." It means black and white like 4.5. There is no bargaining nor debate. It is codified in Xeer Marehan.

1. National powersharing between Marehan Mudug nd Msrehan Gedo

• Clean, no messy, equal division based on wholes is 1/3 for Mudug every 2/3 fo Gedo
  
  • If there are 3 seats for Marehan nationally, Mudug gets 1 and Gedo 2. If 6 seats, Mudug 2, Gedo 4. If 9 seats,Mudug 3, Gedo 6
  • Ratio is exactly 2:1 (2 M Gedo + 1 M Mudug = 3 Marehan Nationally)
  • The Senate perfectly captures this, Marehan has 3 Senate seats where Gedo took 2 and Mudug took 1).
• For any additional Marehan seat nationally that would not satisfy a clean, WHOLE division of 1/3, it is rounded UP as a reward to Gedo on a ratio of 2.5:1. Usually when Gedo reaches or is in excess of 70% of the total does Mudug receive the next addition
  • So since 4.5 started, of Marehan 14 MPs Gedo has owned 10 and Mudug 4.

It is actually coded. "Alderman" kind of political Constituency and IT IS NOT ENTIRELY BASED ON LINEAGE which is so radical for the Somali 4.5 system.

For rules concerning who is Guri and who is Galti

Similarly Marehan has a very evolved and detailed organization based on migration time × population settlement that doesn't exist in any other Somali community even those with migration heritage who borrowed term like "Guri."

1. 100% Gedo
2. Gedo & Galmudug
3. 100% Galmudug

A. Guri
B. Galti
C. Mixed

1A: Rer Hassan, Soonfure, etc
1B Rer Ahmed, Ugas Shermarke, rtc
1C Rer Garaad, Talxe, etc.

2A. Uurmidig, Hawlraarsame, etc
2B. Rer Siyaad, Cali Dheere, etc
2C. Rer Cismaan, rer Yusuf, etc

3A Bah Abaskuul, Celi etc
3B. Rer Warsame, rer Siyaad Hussein etc
3C. Celi, Wagardhac

3×3= 9 Classifications

Most people always confuse "100% Rer Gedo" today with "Rer Guri"

When really "100% reer Gedo" has 3 different classes with only 1/3 chance being necessarily "Rer Guri"

100% rer Gedo & Guri Migration = Rer Hassan
100% rer Gedo & Galti Migration = Rer Ahmed
100% rer Gedo & Both = Talxe

For a historical record , you can read "Texts of the consuetudinary law of the Marrehân Somali"

https://ehrafworldcultures.yale.edu/ehr ... d=mo04-022

[mahoka]

The Isaaacs of Gabiley, Arabsiyo or the Sacad Muse are increasingly becoming the sheegads versus the looma ooyans of the east, Burco and such, according to new genetic data. They know this among themselves. It is an open secret a layman can understand.

Just watch him come back calling Ciise qooti, etc., when in reality, his subclans are the remnants of Qooti invasion after the collapse of Adal.

Can you share in detail/written form of Darood Xeer? I want to compare it to my xeer.

There is a reason habar awal is mentioned in fusxatul xabash book while pagan oromo ciise isn’t mentioned.


There is a reason your pagan tribe has completely different culture to every single somali


There is a reason why you are known as pagans and not strong on Islam, never produced a single sheikh or xaafidul Quraan.


You had nothing to do with Adal, your oromo tribe has never been associated with adal ever.

The reason you got so much inferiority complex towards me is because I forced you to adopt Islam and cut your ancestor’s heads off if they prayed to waaq the oromo god. You were always my raaciya

[mahoka]

Also the fact this pagan was said I was going to call him a qoti gave it away, that’s where this whole inferiority complex comes from, sacad muse calls them qoti and jaarso kkkkkkkk


Kulaha “watch he will call me a qoti”

[mahoka]

You as Sacad Muuse (mostly E3b) are closer to Mareexaan (completely E3b) paternally than you are to Habar Yoonis (completely T1) so which one is Isaaq if he existed and what does it make of the other group that isn't?

We are not related. You sound like an African American begging a white person no offence.

We aren’t even the same race, our skin colours are different, the structure of our noses and skulls are completely different, the size of our lips are different, the texture of our hair is different. Our IQ levels are different. I am not even close to your cousins like the ogaden who live near me in Ethiopia.

No offence but don’t repeat what you said again, it comes off as desperate

Are you past your teens? I am serious.

Let me tell you something; breath, go to school, learn the scientific method. I am 100% dead serious.

Sxb there is a reason you want to be closer to sacad muse, just like there is a reason African Americans claim to be linked to ancient Egyptians.

Lower level groups in human societies try to associate themselves with those of higher standings. The African American who faced struggle and slavery is this trying to associate himself with ancient Egyptians - one of humanities greatest civilisations.

Darod mareexan tribe which is struggling and suffered a lot is associating itself with the wealthiest and most prestigious somali clan - the Habar awal.

You see why we can’t take you seriously right.


I have nothing against mareexan people, I wish you luck in all things but we just aren’t related lol. Saying such thing makes you look bad

[Jabuutawi]

The Isaaacs of Gabiley, Arabsiyo or the Sacad Muse are increasingly becoming the sheegads versus the looma ooyans of the east, Burco and such, according to new genetic data. They know this among themselves. It is an open secret a layman can understand.

Just watch him come back calling Ciise qooti, etc., when in reality, his subclans are the remnants of Qooti invasion after the collapse of Adal.

Can you share in detail/written form of Darood Xeer? I want to compare it to my xeer.

There is a reason habar awal is mentioned in fusxatul xabash book while pagan oromo ciise isn’t mentioned.


There is a reason your pagan tribe has completely different culture to every single somali


There is a reason why you are known as pagans and not strong on Islam, never produced a single sheikh or xaafidul Quraan.


You had nothing to do with Adal, your oromo tribe has never been associated with adal ever.

The reason you got so much inferiority complex towards me is because I forced you to adopt Islam and cut your ancestor’s heads off if they prayed to waaq the oromo god. You were always my raaciya

Just as I predicted, keep deflecting from your sheegad heritage . Throw everything out there, hoping something sticks is your strategy. You can’t escape from your ignoble roots, you, Khadra Ali and the nurse that used to comment here — facts, not fiction you post.

[mahoka]

The Isaaacs of Gabiley, Arabsiyo or the Sacad Muse are increasingly becoming the sheegads versus the looma ooyans of the east, Burco and such, according to new genetic data. They know this among themselves. It is an open secret a layman can understand.

Just watch him come back calling Ciise qooti, etc., when in reality, his subclans are the remnants of Qooti invasion after the collapse of Adal.

Can you share in detail/written form of Darood Xeer? I want to compare it to my xeer.

There is a reason habar awal is mentioned in fusxatul xabash book while pagan oromo ciise isn’t mentioned.


There is a reason your pagan tribe has completely different culture to every single somali


There is a reason why you are known as pagans and not strong on Islam, never produced a single sheikh or xaafidul Quraan.


You had nothing to do with Adal, your oromo tribe has never been associated with adal ever.

The reason you got so much inferiority complex towards me is because I forced you to adopt Islam and cut your ancestor’s heads off if they prayed to waaq the oromo god. You were always my raaciya

Just as I predicted, keep deflecting from your sheegad heritage . Throw everything out there, hoping something sticks is your strategy. You can’t escape from your ignoble roots, you, Khadra Ali and the nurse that used to comment here — facts, not fiction you post.

You are trying to save face but the fact the first thing you said was “watch him call me a qoti (oromo gypsy)” already gave away your inferior origins.

You already known we have always seen you as the inferior oromo and this is where your inferiority complex comes from and why you always need to defend your background lol


If I came from a lowly background like you darods on this thread wouldn’t be trying to claim to be close to me and wouldn’t be begging me to accept them.

There is a reason you sharpen your teeth like oromo and afar, you are our raaciya (people we conquered) during adal wars with habashi

[Gubbet]

We are not related. You sound like an African American begging a white person no offence.

We aren’t even the same race, our skin colours are different, the structure of our noses and skulls are completely different, the size of our lips are different, the texture of our hair is different. Our IQ levels are different. I am not even close to your cousins like the ogaden who live near me in Ethiopia.

No offence but don’t repeat what you said again, it comes off as desperate

Are you past your teens? I am serious.

Let me tell you something; breath, go to school, learn the scientific method. I am 100% dead serious.

Sxb there is a reason you want to be closer to sacad muse, just like there is a reason African Americans claim to be linked to ancient Egyptians.

Lower level groups in human societies try to associate themselves with those of higher standings. The African American who faced struggle and slavery is this trying to associate himself with ancient Egyptians - one of humanities greatest civilisations.

Darod mareexan tribe which is struggling and suffered a lot is associating itself with the wealthiest and most prestigious somali clan - the Habar awal.

You see why we can’t take you seriously right.


I have nothing against mareexan people, I wish you luck in all things but we just aren’t related lol. Saying such thing makes you look bad

Ceeb Mahoka, Sacad Muuse, Habar Awal, Isaaq, gebigood are my Somali, Muslim kith and kin. I have a Sacad Muuse niece whom I cradle and feed milk with these very fingers I am quickly typing.

I realize the statement you responded to was crossing into your equity and for that I do apologize and say it is for you to tell me what your Xeer identity is not for me to argue.

However, in my defense, Khalid waa balaayo af adag and I have a way of responding to him that doesn't necessarily reflect on greater Isaaq or anyone apart from Khalid. Lug xun buu meel walba ku ciriirin anane jilaafaan diyaar ula ahay

[Gubbet]

And btw, you really need to get off African Americans and their equity sxb. It is actually even a throwback to racist caricature from old fake Carleton Coons era. African Americans are the single greatest, most productive, enterprising, group of Black people to have ever livrd amd they did it overcoming the cruelest forms of oppression. Leave African Americans alone amd keep this strictly where it is, between camel shagging Somalis.

[Jabuutawi]

There is a reason habar awal is mentioned in fusxatul xabash book while pagan oromo ciise isn’t mentioned.


There is a reason your pagan tribe has completely different culture to every single somali


There is a reason why you are known as pagans and not strong on Islam, never produced a single sheikh or xaafidul Quraan.


You had nothing to do with Adal, your oromo tribe has never been associated with adal ever.

The reason you got so much inferiority complex towards me is because I forced you to adopt Islam and cut your ancestor’s heads off if they prayed to waaq the oromo god. You were always my raaciya

Just as I predicted, keep deflecting from your sheegad heritage . Throw everything out there, hoping something sticks is your strategy. You can’t escape from your ignoble roots, you, Khadra Ali and the nurse that used to comment here — facts, not fiction you post.

You are trying to save face but the fact the first thing you said was “watch him call me a qoti (oromo gypsy)” already gave away your inferior origins.

You already known we have always seen you as the inferior oromo and this is where your inferiority complex comes from and why you always need to defend your background lol


If I came from a lowly background like you darods on this thread wouldn’t be trying to claim to be close to me and wouldn’t be begging me to accept them.

There is a reason you sharpen your teeth like oromo and afar, you are our raaciya (people we conquered) during adal wars with habashi

I am talking to a stupid. You are either woefully ignoring the facts or you are just plain dumb person.

What the hell are you talking about? Inferiority, what? Your past posts are enough evidence of me stating what I stated. You call others 'Qooti' due to lack of convincing evidence. When in reality, your Sacad Muse clan is the closest to Qooti, both genetically and culturally, than other Somali clans -- fact!

You have incorporated Jarso and Akisho into your clan system. Why don't you take a DNA test? What are you afraid of finding out? I took DNA test and shared in public forums. I AM proud of my background. What are you ashamed of?

Spewing hot air without any context to verifiable footnotes or any sort of evidence is amateurish at best and plain desperation at worst. Your strategy is throw everything out there and hopefully something sticks.

When did Habar Awal conquer Ciise? Another 'throw it out there, hopefully it sticks' strategy. Go back to history and read about the 1820s slaughter of your ilk by Ciise - another fact.

My 500 years old Xeer is enough evidence of our presence in Adal, and before that, Ifat. I do not accept the argument with lack of evidence to boot, that a public assistance recipient, who lives in a run down flat somewhere in UK, as the sole authority of Adal/Ifat sultanates history.

Who wants to be whom when you ride the gorgorad of your women to enter Djibouti? Punani diplomacy is your get out of jail card to a better life. You can't fool anyone, certainly not me. Sacad Muse men use their sisters punani as a diplomatic tool. You should really kiss the ring of an Ciise man. Without us, you will be backward, underdeveloped provincial region within Somalia.

Why I am talking to this loser is beyond me? Qof aduunki ka dhacay baa waxtigi iskaga luumiye. Qootiyow, this is my last post addressing you directly.