Bah Ogaden elders endorse Abdi Ciise Qooleey as MP

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And why did NGM ignore my response considering he was in part soliciting it? :P
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Gubbet wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 8:58 am And why did NGM ignore my response considering he was in part soliciting it? :P
ignore what ?

RoM

1. Parliament is split in a 4.5 formula based entirely on myths and legends about identity, power and numbers.
2. out of 4.5 we are "Darood" and it is split based on a pyramid scheme that favours MJ and is anti-Sade
3. that leaves you with 14 seats that are used against you and not by you

you need to know the history behind why before you can move towards how, you will understand how to improve it and make MX politics on the national level more robust. One change that happened before was Rer Diini passing seat to Rer Hassan, that shows you there is a large group of people who are moving towards the how already before you.
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Bro, that's a lot of kool aid you are serving. You are speaking in tongues and I can tell you history has taught me the less clear something being said is the less tangible relevance it has. Mareexaan needs top to bottom Xeer reconfiguration in light of the new realities and my Bah-Xawaadle is the number #1 adjustment that Mareexaan's weak back requires. You might be relatively better than bah-Xawaadle, but your side of the back still needs to be cracked a little if not a full adjustment. That is all I will say.
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Gubbet wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 12:03 pm Bro, that's a lot of kool aid you are serving. You are speaking in tongues and I can tell you history has taught me the less clear something being said is the less tangible relevance it has. Mareexaan needs top to bottom Xeer reconfiguration in light of the new realities and my Bah-Xawaadle is the number #1 adjustment that Mareexaan's weak back requires. You might be relatively better than bah-Xawaadle, but your side of the back still needs to be cracked a little if not a full adjustment. That is all I will say.
what is you suggestion for this reconfiguration :lol:
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Gubbet wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 12:03 pm Bro, that's a lot of kool aid you are serving. You are speaking in tongues and I can tell you history has taught me the less clear something being said is the less tangible relevance it has. Mareexaan needs top to bottom Xeer reconfiguration in light of the new realities and my Bah-Xawaadle is the number #1 adjustment that Mareexaan's weak back requires. You might be relatively better than bah-Xawaadle, but your side of the back still needs to be cracked a little if not a full adjustment. That is all I will say.
I agree but I’m staring to hate your sense of humor now kkk :lol: :lol:
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My suggestion NGM is DEEGAAN, you loved the word deegaan I recall before you understood what Afar Waaxood even was but Afar Waaxood was really a reer Mudug attempt to go from qabiil xeer configuration for dividing up power to a more realistic understanding of deegaan xeer configuration.

And keep in mind, with all respect to you, this is not your "rer Dalal and rer Siyaad Xussein started Caabudwaaq" which even if we said was true hypothetically speaking is no more legitimate than " Laysaan and Ashraaf started Baardheere" or " Macalinweyne and Gasaargude started Luuq" or " Harti and Ogaadeen were counted to Kismaayo in 1901."

Not what was even if we said hypothetically true would be irrelevant to today's reality; but DEEGAAN AS IN WHO LIVES WHERE TODAY AND WHAT THE REPRESENTATION OF THAT DEEGAAN WOULD CONSIDER "CONSTITUENCY."

Cali Dheere wasn't just put into "Bah Hawiye" just because and Habar Ciise into "Bah Ogaadeen" just because.

Cali Dheere and Uurmidig LIVE WITH BAH-HAWIYE, in particular reer Siyaad Ugaas historically. They have been inseparable from them as oodwadaag.

And Habar Ciise LIVES WITH BAH-OGAADEEN in particular reer Dalal. They live IN Raqo and around in Dhigix, but within reer Dalal.

So that's why afar waaxood said Habar Ciise is past of Bah Ogaadeen waax and Cali Dheere under Bah Hawiye waax.

It wasn't limiting Bah Ogaadeen or bah Hawiye, it was EXPANDING Marehan representation by realizing there aren't enough seats and all Marehan should feel represented, so instead of qabiil based xeer there is a deegaan based xeer for constituency.

REER GEDO NEEDS THIS SYSTEM OR THEY NEED A SIMILAR NEW DEEGAAN SYSTEM THAT REALIZES NOW UNDER FEDERALISM THE PROBLEM THAT FACED RER MUDUG HAVING TO ADJUST TO GETTING SMALLER PART OF THE NATIONAL MAREHAN EQUITY AGAINST REER GEDO

In my opinion, Habar Yaacquub and Hawlraarsame should stay the only xeer based configuration pegged to seats.

Every other Gedo seat should be pegged to DEEGAAN.

Why should a seat ALWAYS go to reer Siyaad or reer Ugaas Shermaarke?

Because under this qabiil xeer understanding, they have been officially or unofficially recognized as " reer Siyaad Siyaad" or "reer Ugaas Shermaarke" seats.

NO!

THEY ARE WAAXDA GARBO AND WAAXDA BAARDHEERE NORTH (WAAXDA BAARDHEERE SOUTH IS THE CURRENT TALXE SEAT).

WAAXDO GARBO IS ANY CLAN THAT HAS DEEGAAN IN GARBAHAARAY

-REER SIYAAD
-BAH DAARANDOOLE
-REER GARAAD
-RER OSMAN
-RER YUSUF
-AMIIR NUUR
-ETC

WAAXDA BAARDHERE NORTH
-DEEGAAN CLANS IN TOTALITY

The Beled Xaawo Waax replaces Cali Dheere, the two Rer Hassan seats become Waaxda Luuq and Waaxda Buurdhuubo, the rer Axmed Waaxda Dollow, the Uurnidig Waaxda Ceel-Waaq

I mean literally now Mareexaan Gedo have an extreme unfair monopoly.

It is taking EVERY DEEGAAN and gifting the SEAT to the alleged MOST POWERFUL/OR ALLEGED BIGGEST/OR ALLEGED MOST ARMED... Whatever it is measuring for it takes one single group from widely understood Marehan diverse deegaan and gifting that seat to that group

For all you and Grandpa have virulently opposed Afar Waaxood in Mudug (maybe you wanted the same Gedo unfairness in Mudug?), Afar Waaxood is looking to be 100X more fair, more inclusive, more considerate of your brothers, and really MORE REPRESENTATIVE AND MORE STABLE AND CONDUCIVE FOR BETTER INTERNAL RELATIONSHIP than the extremely bankrupt undemocratic, unstable, unfair, exclusive, and easily manipulated (as we see with Fartaag) system forced on reer Gedo which they have never addressed and I assure you with the increasing rejection WILL NOT BE VIABLE going forward.

These elections are going to release the pent up frustrations IF THE CLANS DO NOT FIND INCLUSIVITY.

In particular there is ONE SEAT to watch for dor excerbating this issue and that is is the reer Ugaas Shermaarke seat.

For Fartaag to be squatting on SENATE, we will see how MAREEXAAN navigates the MP seat this time IN GARBAHAARAY, IN GEDO, UNDER MAREEXAAN control.

Watch the reer Ugaas Shermaarke seat very cery very closely.

There are only 2 options;

1. The seat becomes the first Gedo MP seat to be "removed" from clan hands with this simple being informed by the seat OPENED UP TO DIVERSE COMPETITION, maybe even telling reer Ugaas Shermaarke YOU ARE NO LONGER ELIGIBLE

Or

2. The Seat's competition controlled for reer Ugaas Shermaarke competitors informing the decision that no change or correction ia coming

Mareexaan will have no more excuse which bought them the time last election when the fact all rhe elections happened under Ahmed Madoobe in Kismaayo was the defense.

The SECOND seat to watch is the reer Siyaad one with the fierce campaign by GARBAHAARAY deegaan clans for reform waged more publicly and strongly than any other deegaan in Gedo.

Mareexaan is at a fork in the road.

Either fork is a choice and will have significant consequences.

I hope Mareexaan chooses the more INCLUSIVE, DEMOCRATIC, AND MORE WIDELY REPRESENTATIVE choice.
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ReturnOfMariixmaan wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 4:26 pm
Gubbet wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 12:03 pm Bro, that's a lot of kool aid you are serving. You are speaking in tongues and I can tell you history has taught me the less clear something being said is the less tangible relevance it has. Mareexaan needs top to bottom Xeer reconfiguration in light of the new realities and my Bah-Xawaadle is the number #1 adjustment that Mareexaan's weak back requires. You might be relatively better than bah-Xawaadle, but your side of the back still needs to be cracked a little if not a full adjustment. That is all I will say.
I agree but I’m staring to hate your sense of humor now kkk :lol: :lol:
Saddam, I'm Napoleon Dynamite drinking grape JUICE when I'm suburbia, but D-mac with with some ice kold grape DRINK when I need to talk some cents into folks :Shrug:
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Btw, I threw criticism everywhere because there is nothing that can't be improved, but I hope NGM's new found maturity allows him to understand that even so, ai still criticized my own group as the most egregious and identified reer Mudug as much better and fairer and even potentially an example for reer Gedo who need whole sale reform. The whole system needs to be torn and reformed in Gedo.
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Gubbet wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 5:57 pm
ReturnOfMariixmaan wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 4:26 pm
Gubbet wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 12:03 pm Bro, that's a lot of kool aid you are serving. You are speaking in tongues and I can tell you history has taught me the less clear something being said is the less tangible relevance it has. Mareexaan needs top to bottom Xeer reconfiguration in light of the new realities and my Bah-Xawaadle is the number #1 adjustment that Mareexaan's weak back requires. You might be relatively better than bah-Xawaadle, but your side of the back still needs to be cracked a little if not a full adjustment. That is all I will say.
I agree but I’m staring to hate your sense of humor now kkk :lol: :lol:
Saddam, I'm Napoleon Dynamite drinking grape JUICE when I'm suburbia, but D-mac with with some ice kold grape DRINK when I need to talk some cents into folks :Shrug:
My nigga i don’t know how y’all move in your ends but that’s a violation where I’m from :x :lol:
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I'm taking the piss, I doubt niggas would even get the Napoleon Dynamite reference since HE is a joke on himself; basically saying I go fromt basset hound to rottweiler, unless the violation is grape DRINK Image
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Rer Garad should get seat is the simple answer I am looking for and if the Ugaas fails to deliver, I am looking at Canjeex the governor.

This will further strengthen MX unity and horumar.
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NGM wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:16 pm Rer Garad should get seat is the simple answer I am looking for and if the Ugaas fails to deliver, I am looking at Canjeex the governor.

This will further strengthen MX unity and horumar.
Reer Garaad or Reer Cismaan should deffo get a seat. Both have great population in Central and South Gedo. Reer Cismaan also have deegaans in Waamo too and rarely get national seats.

Btw, I am not a fan of Canjeex as the governor. He seems corrupt and lazy. Anyone with a fat belly should not hold any position in Somalia.
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XimanJaale wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:33 pm
NGM wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:16 pm Rer Garad should get seat is the simple answer I am looking for and if the Ugaas fails to deliver, I am looking at Canjeex the governor.

This will further strengthen MX unity and horumar.
Reer Garaad or Reer Cismaan should deffo get a seat. Both have great population in Central and South Gedo. Reer Cismaan also have deegaans in Waamo too and rarely get national seats.

Btw, I am not a fan of Canjeex as the governor. He seems corrupt and lazy. Anyone with a fat belly should not hold any position in Somalia.
This is Africa what you expect? Unless we take a bigger role it’s gonna be like this bro.
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Gubbet wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 6:56 pm I'm taking the piss, I doubt niggas would even get the Napoleon Dynamite reference since HE is a joke on himself; basically saying I go fromt basset hound to rottweiler, unless the violation is grape DRINK Image
Yeah yeah nigga I’m a pit bull foh son :lol:
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NGM wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:16 pm Rer Garad should get seat is the simple answer I am looking for and if the Ugaas fails to deliver, I am looking at Canjeex the governor.

This will further strengthen MX unity and horumar.
This is where the Kool aid needs to stop being served.

The Ugaas nor Canjeex has power over "this."Do you even know what "this" is bro?

"This" is what makes YOU as reer Dalal think you are due the Galmudug Marehan Senatorship.

By that I mean, no reer Siyaad and no reer Ugaas Shermaarke is going to allow losing a seat WITHOUT an entire across the board agreement.

Mohamed Ugaas Xaashi can't take it and neither can Canjeex and neither can even Farmaajo.

The entire point I want you to understand, as someone who wants reer Garaad in particular represented, is WE ARE PAST THE POINT OF GIMMICKS AND STATEMENTS THAT ARE NOT GOING TO CHANGE ANYTHING.

Reer Siyaad sow maahi, and did I not just identify Bah-Xawaadle in particular have been implicated in the rotten system----then allow me to be the first person to say to you WALLAHI BILLAHI OO TOLLAHI UGAAS HEBEL, AND GOVERNOR HEBEL CAN'T TAKE A SINGLE SEAT FROM ANY CLAN THAT HAS IT "WITHOUT" A COMPLETELY NEW REGION WIDE DISPENSATION.

So there is no other "simple answer."

Any answer that is different to a totally new dispensation has to be agreed upon across the board is no answer.

You can't change what informs one seat without changing what informs all of the Gedo seats.

That is the only simple answer.
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