Pro and Cons of each Presidential Candidates for individuals States

[sahal80]

Cons- there is none for HG/GM, if he moves the Capital its a Win for HGs but a loss for the other Hawiyes

If capital move to PL, both abgaal and hg would lose out (more so hg IMO because abgaal can just scrap hirshabelle and make banadir and shabelle dhexe one and have Mogadishu port and airport as our source of revenue and enjoy export revenue from our beautiful farms in jowhar and balcad all to ourselves and not sacrifice for "somaliweyne")
Deni moving the capital is as big of a loss for HG as it is for Abgaal. As of today, 90% of HG wealth is in xamar just how abgaal go all in xamar and tend to not focus on hirshabelle development. Deni wont move the capital to dhuusomareeb, cadado etc.He would move it to PL where all haawiyes are not wanted. HG have a huge stack in banadir and they also enjoy the international aid with their hiraab brethren abgaal.These two benefit thee most from the capital. Galmudug is just a paper state tbh because most hg focus on xamar. I don't think you realise that hiraab of today arent like the ones in the 90s. Abgaal and hg interests certainly align with each other and they always did tbh.

In a sense you are right, that Abgaal too would not lose alot if the capital gets moved, because now Abgaal will get Banaadir a huge Economic powerhouse added into their state, and same for HGs they will focus on their Galmudug.

As for Hiiraab of today compared to the 90s, you are right again today they are more aligned and have a united interests, but you have some folks here who honestly believe they can do isku-dir between Hiiraabs so that they can breath easily between them HGs and Abgaals.


As for Aw-qariib, kheyre never brought Qoorqoor, but he brought that Duduble deputy minister Abdulahi weheliye as GM President, which HG waayo-arags refused, as we all know Qoorqoor was brought by the Waayo-arag, and till this day all Sacads are pro-qoorqoor over Xaaf, anyway Sacad is Galmudug and Galmudug is Sacad, whatever empowers GM it empowers us.

And also you know deep down in your heart that im right, that kheyre and murursade waa iska powerless langaabs, so kheyre being President wont change shit, unless like i said, he would appease both Hiiraabs HGs and Abgaals, or start isku dir dagaal hooseed, and we all know when shit hits the fan its ''waan kula kaftamayeey Habargidirow'' or ''waaxan naha curudka Hawiye'' cards wont work, and as we also know that HG dagaal lagama adkaan karo and remember that Abgaals are known for not interfering with whomever HGs are karbaashing.

So in summary, Kheyre becoming President will be an Hostage under Hiiraabs in Mogadishu, simply because his beesha murursade are non-factor who have no deegaan nor the number to change the Political landscape of Somalia, unlike Farmaajo who had Darood backing and sympathies.

You still haven't shown me this united interest between Hiraab dhiiga uun baa ka tahay lafahaaga waa qolof kale, you even complained about your own seats because Abgaal said we are three subclans and HG have four. Murusade and the rest of the Hawiye mafioso have watched you try and fail at every shir dib usheshiisiineed wax aan jirinna wax kama dhigi kartid. There is no appeasing nor is there iskudir, this is what you are hoping for because you like chaos and destruction, Kheyre did more for Xamar than Rooble or any HG leader can ever do meeshaan masiir qaran ayaa ka taagan it is you who reduces it to a clan mafia and have no foresight to bring the country under a stable government

Ustaad, Kheyre reer Hiiraan wuu iska leexiyey he has stayed far from their never ending troubles, this HG aa nagu riixaysaan maandhaw maad ka fiirsatid, Odowaa iyo UPD shalay sootay lahaayeen gobolka Hiiraan waxaa degan labo iyo toban beelood including Saleebaan iyo Sacad gudigii lagu daray when there is only an Cayr area in Matabaan it is like me claiming the two Hirshabelle parliament members we have because we still have some juffo that live in Balcad, also there is an old juffo oo Hiiraan laga helo magaca tuulada iga maqan when I remember it I will confirm sxb

There is no murusade jufo or tuulo in Hiiraan at all. and Cali madaxweyne of Maxaas are crazy racists never welcome outsiders. Xooghayaha wasaarada gudaha yaxye hariiri who is murusade added two murusade to hirshabelle parliament in the name of Balcad this is after corrupt hassan Sheekh added alot of clans to vote for him not the original number 71 there was no murusade in them now they are 98. gaaljecel had 6 when hawadle had 14 out of these 71 now they have 12 there are alot of kenyans and ethiopians in them. this is the biggest reason we want to correct the parliament.

[Amin5457]

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Cons- there is none for HG/GM, if he moves the Capital its a Win for HGs but a loss for the other Hawiyes

If capital move to PL, both abgaal and hg would lose out (more so hg IMO because abgaal can just scrap hirshabelle and make banadir and shabelle dhexe one and have Mogadishu port and airport as our source of revenue and enjoy export revenue from our beautiful farms in jowhar and balcad all to ourselves and not sacrifice for "somaliweyne")
Deni moving the capital is as big of a loss for HG as it is for Abgaal. As of today, 90% of HG wealth is in xamar just how abgaal go all in xamar and tend to not focus on hirshabelle development. Deni wont move the capital to dhuusomareeb, cadado etc.He would move it to PL where all haawiyes are not wanted. HG have a huge stack in banadir and they also enjoy the international aid with their hiraab brethren abgaal.These two benefit thee most from the capital. Galmudug is just a paper state tbh because most hg focus on xamar. I don't think you realise that hiraab of today arent like the ones in the 90s. Abgaal and hg interests certainly align with each other and they always did tbh.

In a sense you are right, that Abgaal too would not lose alot if the capital gets moved, because now Abgaal will get Banaadir a huge Economic powerhouse added into their state, and same for HGs they will focus on their Galmudug.

As for Hiiraab of today compared to the 90s, you are right again today they are more aligned and have a united interests, but you have some folks here who honestly believe they can do isku-dir between Hiiraabs so that they can breath easily between them HGs and Abgaals.


As for Aw-qariib, kheyre never brought Qoorqoor, but he brought that Duduble deputy minister Abdulahi weheliye as GM President, which HG waayo-arags refused, as we all know Qoorqoor was brought by the Waayo-arag, and till this day all Sacads are pro-qoorqoor over Xaaf, anyway Sacad is Galmudug and Galmudug is Sacad, whatever empowers GM it empowers us.

And also you know deep down in your heart that im right, that kheyre and murursade waa iska powerless langaabs, so kheyre being President wont change shit, unless like i said, he would appease both Hiiraabs HGs and Abgaals, or start isku dir dagaal hooseed, and we all know when shit hits the fan its ''waan kula kaftamayeey Habargidirow'' or ''waaxan naha curudka Hawiye'' cards wont work, and as we also know that HG dagaal lagama adkaan karo and remember that Abgaals are known for not interfering with whomever HGs are karbaashing.

So in summary, Kheyre becoming President will be an Hostage under Hiiraabs in Mogadishu, simply because his beesha murursade are non-factor who have no deegaan nor the number to change the Political landscape of Somalia, unlike Farmaajo who had Darood backing and sympathies.

Kheyre would have no influence at all especially xamar. The hiraabs would keep him in a chockhold and keep him at bay and a slave to our commands. We could further gain any interest we need by using him in a sense.

[Kees70]

m

Cons- there is none for HG/GM, if he moves the Capital its a Win for HGs but a loss for the other Hawiyes

If capital move to PL, both abgaal and hg would lose out (more so hg IMO because abgaal can just scrap hirshabelle and make banadir and shabelle dhexe one and have Mogadishu port and airport as our source of revenue and enjoy export revenue from our beautiful farms in jowhar and balcad all to ourselves and not sacrifice for "somaliweyne")
Deni moving the capital is as big of a loss for HG as it is for Abgaal. As of today, 90% of HG wealth is in xamar just how abgaal go all in xamar and tend to not focus on hirshabelle development. Deni wont move the capital to dhuusomareeb, cadado etc.He would move it to PL where all haawiyes are not wanted. HG have a huge stack in banadir and they also enjoy the international aid with their hiraab brethren abgaal.These two benefit thee most from the capital. Galmudug is just a paper state tbh because most hg focus on xamar. I don't think you realise that hiraab of today arent like the ones in the 90s. Abgaal and hg interests certainly align with each other and they always did tbh.

In a sense you are right, that Abgaal too would not lose alot if the capital gets moved, because now Abgaal will get Banaadir a huge Economic powerhouse added into their state, and same for HGs they will focus on their Galmudug.

As for Hiiraab of today compared to the 90s, you are right again today they are more aligned and have a united interests, but you have some folks here who honestly believe they can do isku-dir between Hiiraabs so that they can breath easily between them HGs and Abgaals.


As for Aw-qariib, kheyre never brought Qoorqoor, but he brought that Duduble deputy minister Abdulahi weheliye as GM President, which HG waayo-arags refused, as we all know Qoorqoor was brought by the Waayo-arag, and till this day all Sacads are pro-qoorqoor over Xaaf, anyway Sacad is Galmudug and Galmudug is Sacad, whatever empowers GM it empowers us.

And also you know deep down in your heart that im right, that kheyre and murursade waa iska powerless langaabs, so kheyre being President wont change shit, unless like i said, he would appease both Hiiraabs HGs and Abgaals, or start isku dir dagaal hooseed, and we all know when shit hits the fan its ''waan kula kaftamayeey Habargidirow'' or ''waaxan naha curudka Hawiye'' cards wont work, and as we also know that HG dagaal lagama adkaan karo and remember that Abgaals are known for not interfering with whomever HGs are karbaashing.

So in summary, Kheyre becoming President will be an Hostage under Hiiraabs in Mogadishu, simply because his beesha murursade are non-factor who have no deegaan nor the number to change the Political landscape of Somalia, unlike Farmaajo who had Darood backing and sympathies.

Kheyre would have no influence at all especially xamar. The hiraabs would keep him in a chockhold and keep him at bay and a slave to our commands. We could further gain any interest we need by using him in a sense.

This is what i keep telling the nigga Awqariib, that kheyre will be a lame-duck enslaved by Hiiraabs simply because murursade are small in numbers and weak, just remember when last time when Kheyre messed with both Hiiraabs when he was PM, both Shabelle armies HG and Abgaal came to him in Mogadishu and kheyre than ran scared to Hiiraabs begging for mercy

[Kees70]

In a sense you are right, that Abgaal too would not lose alot if the capital gets moved, because now Abgaal will get Banaadir a huge Economic powerhouse added into their state, and same for HGs they will focus on their Galmudug.

As for Hiiraab of today compared to the 90s, you are right again today they are more aligned and have a united interests, but you have some folks here who honestly believe they can do isku-dir between Hiiraabs so that they can breath easily between them HGs and Abgaals.


As for Aw-qariib, kheyre never brought Qoorqoor, but he brought that Duduble deputy minister Abdulahi weheliye as GM President, which HG waayo-arags refused, as we all know Qoorqoor was brought by the Waayo-arag, and till this day all Sacads are pro-qoorqoor over Xaaf, anyway Sacad is Galmudug and Galmudug is Sacad, whatever empowers GM it empowers us.

And also you know deep down in your heart that im right, that kheyre and murursade waa iska powerless langaabs, so kheyre being President wont change shit, unless like i said, he would appease both Hiiraabs HGs and Abgaals, or start isku dir dagaal hooseed, and we all know when shit hits the fan its ''waan kula kaftamayeey Habargidirow'' or ''waaxan naha curudka Hawiye'' cards wont work, and as we also know that HG dagaal lagama adkaan karo and remember that Abgaals are known for not interfering with whomever HGs are karbaashing.

So in summary, Kheyre becoming President will be an Hostage under Hiiraabs in Mogadishu, simply because his beesha murursade are non-factor who have no deegaan nor the number to change the Political landscape of Somalia, unlike Farmaajo who had Darood backing and sympathies.

You still haven't shown me this united interest between Hiraab dhiiga uun baa ka tahay lafahaaga waa qolof kale, you even complained about your own seats because Abgaal said we are three subclans and HG have four. Murusade and the rest of the Hawiye mafioso have watched you try and fail at every shir dib usheshiisiineed wax aan jirinna wax kama dhigi kartid. There is no appeasing nor is there iskudir, this is what you are hoping for because you like chaos and destruction, Kheyre did more for Xamar than Rooble or any HG leader can ever do meeshaan masiir qaran ayaa ka taagan it is you who reduces it to a clan mafia and have no foresight to bring the country under a stable government

Ustaad, Kheyre reer Hiiraan wuu iska leexiyey he has stayed far from their never ending troubles, this HG aa nagu riixaysaan maandhaw maad ka fiirsatid, Odowaa iyo UPD shalay sootay lahaayeen gobolka Hiiraan waxaa degan labo iyo toban beelood including Saleebaan iyo Sacad gudigii lagu daray when there is only an Cayr area in Matabaan it is like me claiming the two Hirshabelle parliament members we have because we still have some juffo that live in Balcad, also there is an old juffo oo Hiiraan laga helo magaca tuulada iga maqan when I remember it I will confirm sxb

There is no murusade jufo or tuulo in Hiiraan at all. and Cali madaxweyne of Maxaas are crazy racists never welcome outsiders. Xooghayaha wasaarada gudaha yaxye hariiri who is murusade added two murusade to hirshabelle parliament in the name of Balcad this is after corrupt hassan Sheekh added alot of clans to vote for him not the original number 71 there was no murusade in them now they are 98. gaaljecel had 6 when hawadle had 14 out of these 71 now they have 12 there are alot of kenyans and ethiopians in them. this is the biggest reason we want to correct the parliament.

Ninki Awqariib has already started isku-dirka beelaha Hawiye,

Ustaad Sahal, sxbkeen awqariib already wuxuu bilaabey dhaqanka mururusade isku-dirka kulaha HG are boogieman to Xawaadle, ileen isku-dirka beelaha Hawiye murursade caan bay ku yihiin, waayo ma haystaan ​​tabar kale kkkkkk

[sahal80]

You still haven't shown me this united interest between Hiraab dhiiga uun baa ka tahay lafahaaga waa qolof kale, you even complained about your own seats because Abgaal said we are three subclans and HG have four. Murusade and the rest of the Hawiye mafioso have watched you try and fail at every shir dib usheshiisiineed wax aan jirinna wax kama dhigi kartid. There is no appeasing nor is there iskudir, this is what you are hoping for because you like chaos and destruction, Kheyre did more for Xamar than Rooble or any HG leader can ever do meeshaan masiir qaran ayaa ka taagan it is you who reduces it to a clan mafia and have no foresight to bring the country under a stable government

Ustaad, Kheyre reer Hiiraan wuu iska leexiyey he has stayed far from their never ending troubles, this HG aa nagu riixaysaan maandhaw maad ka fiirsatid, Odowaa iyo UPD shalay sootay lahaayeen gobolka Hiiraan waxaa degan labo iyo toban beelood including Saleebaan iyo Sacad gudigii lagu daray when there is only an Cayr area in Matabaan it is like me claiming the two Hirshabelle parliament members we have because we still have some juffo that live in Balcad, also there is an old juffo oo Hiiraan laga helo magaca tuulada iga maqan when I remember it I will confirm sxb

There is no murusade jufo or tuulo in Hiiraan at all. and Cali madaxweyne of Maxaas are crazy racists never welcome outsiders. Xooghayaha wasaarada gudaha yaxye hariiri who is murusade added two murusade to hirshabelle parliament in the name of Balcad this is after corrupt hassan Sheekh added alot of clans to vote for him not the original number 71 there was no murusade in them now they are 98. gaaljecel had 6 when hawadle had 14 out of these 71 now they have 12 there are alot of kenyans and ethiopians in them. this is the biggest reason we want to correct the parliament.

Ninki Awqariib has already started isku-dirka beelaha Hawiye,

Ustaad Sahal, sxbkeen awqariib already wuxuu bilaabey dhaqanka mururusade isku-dirka kulaha HG are boogieman to Xawaadle, ileen isku-dirka beelaha Hawiye murursade caan bay ku yihiin, waayo ma haystaan ​​tabar kale kkkkkk

waxaas hada ma taagna. Murusade iyo Xawaadle wax isugu jira malahan trollska facebooka markii laga soo tago xadkaa noo dhaxeeya.

this is mirusade community not claiming anywhere in hiiraan but they r claiming many names in shabellada dhexe like biyocade, al kawsar

[OwQariib]

There is no murusade jufo or tuulo in Hiiraan at all. and Cali madaxweyne of Maxaas are crazy racists never welcome outsiders. Xooghayaha wasaarada gudaha yaxye hariiri who is murusade added two murusade to hirshabelle parliament in the name of Balcad this is after corrupt hassan Sheekh added alot of clans to vote for him not the original number 71 there was no murusade in them now they are 98. gaaljecel had 6 when hawadle had 14 out of these 71 now they have 12 there are alot of kenyans and ethiopians in them. this is the biggest reason we want to correct the parliament.

Ninki Awqariib has already started isku-dirka beelaha Hawiye,

Ustaad Sahal, sxbkeen awqariib already wuxuu bilaabey dhaqanka mururusade isku-dirka kulaha HG are boogieman to Xawaadle, ileen isku-dirka beelaha Hawiye murursade caan bay ku yihiin, waayo ma haystaan ​​tabar kale kkkkkk

waxaas hada ma taagna. Murusade iyo Xawaadle wax isugu jira malahan trollska facebooka markii laga soo tago xadkaa noo dhaxeeya.

this is mirusade community not claiming anywhere in hiiraan but they r claiming many names in shabellada dhexe like biyocade, al kawsar

Sxb you must be overdosing on Jicib, we are in Ceelgod is that not in Hiiraan



Look how much water resoviors we have on our side of the border, jidkaa ku faanaysaa and your nomads drink from our wells to thirst their quench



You don't mess with us sxb that road from Wabxo to Ceelbuur is called Dab Xarar use to be called Dab Naar gabayo kusoo arooray it's like the Afgooye road when Tolka militia fought Bangladeshi troops



I remembered the tuulo it's Burfiiq we have abakar & ayaansame juffo who daaq with Jajeele we are in Qoraxsin imboow meel kastaa waa barakaysanaa Hawiye dhulkiisoo dhan waa joognaa

[OwQariib]

Kheyre would have no influence at all especially xamar. The hiraabs would keep him in a chockhold and keep him at bay and a slave to our commands. We could further gain any interest we need by using him in a sense.

This is what i keep telling the nigga Awqariib, that kheyre will be a lame-duck enslaved by Hiiraabs simply because murursade are small in numbers and weak, just remember when last time when Kheyre messed with both Hiiraabs when he was PM, both Shabelle armies HG and Abgaal came to him in Mogadishu and kheyre than ran scared to Hiiraabs begging for mercy

The demographics show we are too strategic to worry about shack living Abgaals and homeless HGs, Villa Somalia will be green zoned and you can guess whose deegaan is behind the villa

[TarTar]

too much cap






u ain't even need to look at kees n ustad sahal. saying move to tha capital to dabayacoland. this gonna be good for me 'cause Deni free me from farmajo




gtfoh. naw nigga. not that deni got any chance to get elected or move capital. but if it happen, deni gonna tax u in Hamar. take all tha funds to Kardho. then u be begging farmajo to be restored

[sahal80]

kkkkk Ceelgod HG aa qabsanweysay ma murusadaa u dhawaan kara maxaas xataa uma dhawa iyo wabxo waraa niyahow qabiilada facebook ku nool maatihiin Murusade hal taako hiiraan kuma dhoco aniga marabo inaan dhulkiina sheegto waayoo hiiraanaba iga badan. meesha ay joogaan murysade dhinacaas waa warxoolo oo u jirta wabxo 35 km kana tirsan galgaduud dhulkaas hada Ceyr ayaaba ku fiday ilaa ceelbuur oo bariga uga aadan asaga maad xagsataan intaan xadka wabxo aysan gaarin hiiraan tabar uma heesaan

ceelgod waa ceel biyaha laga cabo oo hal guri ku oolin waxaana isku dagaala waa Xawaadle iyo HG oon loo ogleen inay deegaameesato balse ka dhaansata. xuduuda maxaas dhan ciidankeenaa jooga iyo macawisleey qabiil haweesan kara maleh Xawaadlaa maamula.

buurfiiq waa ku qosley waa waqooyi galbeed ee baladweyne meesha jareerta iyo jijeele isku dagaalayeen intee ka soo galeen austaliadaan murusade










Murusade meesha ay joogaan oo galgaduud ka tirsan

[Kees70]

HG Homeless kulaha the langaab afarqooble, when we all know HG has 4 Degmos DC and 5 DC Deputy and are the only Hawiye clan to have its own Multiple Airlines and Banks while other Hawiye clan have no banks nor airplanes.

So what does murursade have other than Dayniile in whole of Somalia????


This is HG in Mogadishu





And this is Murursade Dayniile




Enough said, we all know who the richest Hawiye subclan are and has developed its areas in Mogadishu waa HGs.

[sahal80]

Hawadle on facebook reacting to murusade claiming their dhul on facebook. this map shows ceelgod is our front with Ceyr. Murusade claiming meel ay mareykan iyo ruush isaga soo horjeedaan instead of wabxo.

but atleast this front is now peaceful now.

[OwQariib]

HG Homeless kulaha the langaab afarqooble, when we all know HG has 4 Degmos DC and 5 DC Deputy and are the only Hawiye clan to have its own Multiple Airlines and Banks while other Hawiye clan have no banks nor airplanes.

So what does murursade have other than Dayniile in whole of Somalia????


This is HG in Mogadishu





And this is Murursade Dayniile




Enough said, we all know who the richest Hawiye subclan are and has developed its areas in Mogadishu waa HGs.

The seats were distributed to antagonise us, we use to have Deputy Benadir mayor until you started crying to have an equal position so they created a gudoomiye ku xigeenka amniga currently Cali Yare. There are also three commercial banks in Xamar, IBS and Salaama are two of them and Murusade own one of them, HG own another and the other is Abgaal or another clan. You lying about the airlines aswell nobody owns an airline they are rented, Dayniile actually has its own airstrip untaxed by the government, meeshaan waa Vatican City eebow.



Sahal, I'm not claiming Burfiiq but XL have no veto on who lives with other clans. We know you are xenophobic hillbillies and that's why the border was created by the Italians to seperate us, you were once part of greater Mudug until you realised it would relegate you to Duduble status. Maxamed Sh Cusmaan AUN was also born in Burfiiq, it follows our tradition where we have juffos in every Hawiye gobol e.g deep Mudug (Gaalkacyo and Hobyo) more specifically Dhegdheer's juffo reer Dumaal and reer cumar isxijiwaq Hiilibi. But our HQ is galgaduud, benadir, lower shabelle.

[Kees70]

kkkk walahi Owqariib you made me laugh

, kulaha HG cried for Deputy Mayor posts of Mogadishu, sxb you do realize HG has Deputy Positions all over South Somalia Cities and the whole S/hoose Deputy Governor is HG and so is both Marka and Baraawe deputy mayors are HGs.




As for the Banks, Murursade own 0 none, we all know that Premier bank is Cayr, IBS is Sacad and Salaam/Hormuud is duduble, in fact all the banking and telecommunication sector in Mogadishu is dominated by HG.

Sxb lets end this, my point of the discussion is that Hiiraab and Murursade are not equals, and that Hiiraab will hold Xasan kheyre Hostage in Mogadishu if he becomes President just like they held him hostage when he was PM, masaakinta Murusade somaliya oo dhan labo tuulu ka dagaan labadana al-shabab kataliyo, and here you are telling us otherwise kkkkk

[OwQariib]

kkkk walahi Owqariib you made me laugh

, kulaha HG cried for Deputy Mayor posts of Mogadishu, sxb you do realize HG has Deputy Positions all over South Somalia Cities and the whole S/hoose Deputy Governor is HG and so is both Marka and Baraawe deputy mayors are HGs.




As for the Banks, Murursade own 0 none, we all know that Premier bank is Cayr, IBS is Sacad and Salaam/Hormuud is duduble, in fact all the banking and telecommunication sector in Mogadishu is dominated by HG.

Sxb lets end this, my point of the discussion is that Hiiraab and Murursade are not equals, and that Hiiraab will hold Xasan kheyre Hostage in Mogadishu if he becomes President just like they held him hostage when he was PM, masaakinta Murusade somaliya oo dhan labo tuulu ka dagaan labadana al-shabab kataliyo, and here you are telling us otherwise kkkkk

Forget the banks, Hormuud is Murusade property. CEO Axmed Sacuudi is Ayansame and half brothers of Axmednur J. We raised the man and he built us a well in Ceelbuur after the 2001 conflicts.

If by held hostage you mean what Hiraab did to HSM and Sharif then keep dreaming. They gave every qandaraas to their clans and you still hate them for their political blunders. If Kheyre works towards a central government or federalism he's going by the book, he will know even more the wasted value in appeasing people who don't appreciate it.

[SunFromNorth]

Hodan was Daroodland