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Murax wrote: Wed Oct 05, 2022 6:04 am Geoseven,

Yes Xawaadle have done a heroic job. May Allah burn in hell in eternity the devils who are committing these terrorist acts in B Weyne.


All that being said, I fundamentally disagree vehemently HSM’s Gov approach to this being let’s galvanize, arm Hawiye to fight Al Shaydaan. Similarly as I admit Farmaajo in many cases was idiotic for not taking post civil war sensitivities into account, so is HSM in this case. The branding of this offensive should have been had a 100% Government/Somali theme.


Secondly, it is ultimately a foolish proposition! If this Yaa Hawiye Ah was going to work it would require HG Galgaduud, M Shabelle all launching similar offensives.

BAAQ Has anybody seen Kees70?? Where is all the booto, tough talk, and why are these vaunted HG I keep hearing about not doing anything?!


Bottom line hate or love Al Shaydaan they act as a nation state actor with centralized command control, chain of command, and rule of law however disgusting the Non Islamic law it is they enforce. Bottom line is only an opposite opposing Governmental approach will work.


Unfortunately time will prove me right.

Murax wrote: Wed Oct 05, 2022 7:34 am Kees70,


Bro QoorQoor was supposed to launch a offensive similar to the one in Hiiraan. There was supposed to be one in M Shabelle too by Guudlaawe HSM’s actual home region.! So far nothing. If Al Shaydaan’s lines don’t get stretched by their immediate neighbors they will zero in, and hone in on Xawaadle. Sadly Reer B Weyne will pay the price while double dealing, playing both sides, hotel igu sawir Hawiye politicians will be having isbaarmuuto in Xamar.


Btw I hope I am totally wrong. Wallahi Thumma Billahi Thumma Tallahi the most Qabiliste Hawiye is more closer to me than a Non Qabiliste Al Shaydaan member.


Sadly though in Somalia that’s not the case. Why in this offensive has it been brought to light even juffos of the same subclan of Hawiye being for Al Shaydaan or vice versa?


Again the narrative was disastrous from the beginning.


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Kees70 wrote: Wed Oct 05, 2022 7:23 am
Niyahow why are you getting me and HGs involved here

Runtii Beesha Xawadle are heroes who should be commended for their bravery, but the fact remains that Hiiraan affairs belongs to Cali Gudlaawe iyo Hiirshabelle Maamul and has nothing to do with HGs.

As for HGs runti it benefits us more Alshabaab being active than being destroyed, no HGs are under Alshabaab except the small Saruurs, everyone knows that Alshabaab is an double edge sword their presence is good for some clans but bad for others.

Gubbet wrote: Wed Oct 05, 2022 9:13 am

Kees70 wrote: Wed Oct 05, 2022 7:23 am
Niyahow why are you getting me and HGs involved here

Runtii Beesha Xawadle are heroes who should be commended for their bravery, but the fact remains that Hiiraan affairs belongs to Cali Gudlaawe iyo Hiirshabelle Maamul and has nothing to do with HGs.

As for HGs runti it benefits us more Alshabaab being active than being destroyed, no HGs are under Alshabaab except the small Saruurs, everyone knows that Alshabaab is an double edge sword their presence is good for some clans but bad for others.

This one is not Habar Gidir.

I never cared to notice before, but having engaged him recently, the signs were always there. I would even wager he is personally and from a constituency that is anti-Habar Gidir. Although i will reserve any finger pointing.

He has no interest in their true equity, but all the interest manipulatively emphasizing the bias detractions HG resent.

He can "never" defend "them", probably because his heart lacks inspiration, and even "when" he effectuates the place of defense, he is merely responding through them to engage his real attention; the other group/issue/etc that is the object whose attention the manipulative use of HG is supposed to facilitate.

"He" is not HG at all. The individual is a person who in their heart can even be said to feel nothing but "coldness" towards HG.