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balwarama wrote: Mon Jan 09, 2023 4:49 am

theyuusuf143 wrote: Mon Jan 09, 2023 4:21 am Sharmake ruled both berbera and zeilac. He was pretty much in control of the whole somaliland coast and it's trade routes.

In peacetime you where relying on them to trade your commodities. In wartime you were under their mercy. They even pushed you beyond the River shabeelle. The fact that you can pass their territory shows you how effective sharmaarke was to create peaceful atmosphere for trading . It's not because habaryonis feared you .

1. Sharmaarke Saalax was not Habaryoonis Chief
2. He was a Habaryoonis, lone wolf hustler who for however or reason, made personal connections with and gained the trust of the Sharif of Mokha
3. He had no influence, outside Zeila
4. Berbera up to Bulohar was a Habar Awal, nomads area of influence
5. The Edoor were able to defeat us in early 20th century because the English armed them with modern weapons which we did not have at the time

He was rich powerful man , I didn't say he was cheif of habaryonis , in fact we Isaaqs don't give much importance to clan leaders, even today our traditional leaders are clowns. Cumaamada hunguriga nala galee ma cisayno. I repeat sharmake ruled both zeila and berbera even Djibouti. And I think he defenitly had influence in maydh because he was muse carre , his own raas owns there. I still don't understand what are you trying to achieve here ?

Did the ogaaden were nomadic yes they were. Who controled somaliland ports and trade , of course isaaq , siiba sharmaarke . Even the book you posted confirms that. Waar waad naga dhaadheerayden , naagihiinuna wada iman oo kale bay bay ahayen, taasaa runee . Ogaadenaw ilbaxnimo buuga idiinkuma taal

theyuusuf143 wrote: Mon Jan 09, 2023 5:19 am

balwarama wrote: Mon Jan 09, 2023 4:49 am

theyuusuf143 wrote: Mon Jan 09, 2023 4:21 am Sharmake ruled both berbera and zeilac. He was pretty much in control of the whole somaliland coast and it's trade routes.

In peacetime you where relying on them to trade your commodities. In wartime you were under their mercy. They even pushed you beyond the River shabeelle. The fact that you can pass their territory shows you how effective sharmaarke was to create peaceful atmosphere for trading . It's not because habaryonis feared you .

1. Sharmaarke Saalax was not Habaryoonis Chief
2. He was a Habaryoonis, lone wolf hustler who for however or reason, made personal connections with and gained the trust of the Sharif of Mokha
3. He had no influence, outside Zeila
4. Berbera up to Bulohar was a Habar Awal, nomads area of influence
5. The Edoor were able to defeat us in early 20th century because the English armed them with modern weapons which we did not have at the time

He was rich powerful man , I didn't say he was cheif of habaryonis , in fact we Isaaqs don't give much importance to clan leaders, even today our traditional leaders are clowns. Cumaamada hunguriga nala galee ma cisayno. I repeat sharmake ruled both zeila and berbera even Djibouti. And I think he defenitly had influence in maydh because he was muse carre , his own raas owns there. I still don't understand what are you trying to achieve here ?

Did the ogaaden were nomadic yes they were. Who controled somaliland ports and trade , of course isaaq , siiba sharmaarke . Even the book you posted confirms that. Waar waad naga dhaadheerayden , naagihiinuna wada iman oo kale bay bay ahayen, taasaa runee . Ogaadenaw ilbaxnimo buuga idiinkuma taal

Reference? Muran iyo Indho caddays ay Adna Aadan, idiin soo laqintay baad rabtaan, inaad Adduun ku joogtaan!!!
Waligiinba, dad akhlaaq xun oon Maganta bixinin ayaad ahaydeen. Waa sababta aad heesaha iyo munkarka ugu badnaydeen, awalkii hore.
Anagu waxaan lahayn
1. Ugaas iyo Saldanad mid ah
2. Xeerar iyo dhaqamo noo gaar ah
3. Xoolo
4. Culimo, Diinta iyo Digriga noo qaabilsan
5. Dadkaa, ganacsanayaan ahayn
6. Haddii loo baahdo waan dagaalamaynay
7. Dad, maganta bixiyaan ahayn
8. Waxaan ahayn, Fardooley
9. Si gobonimo leh baan uguursan jirnay, Xididkana uga xishoon jirnay
10. Tuugnimada ma anaan aqoonin (Dhaca iyo xatooyadu waa kala laba)

Ilbaxnimo badani, nagama maqnayn

I respect all

Yeah the yusuuuf is right Sharmarke salax Baashe ruled both berbera and zeila later in hé let his son inherit his throne and his son was killed by the habar awal in berbera this is a fact.

Just because allowed to to come to the port doesn’t made u a trader wixi meesha yaala uun ba laga ibiniyey u didnt proof shit

''From a historical point of view Ali dhuhs poem explicitly details the large gains in traditionally Ogaden territory and wells, and the looting of Ogaden camels by the Isaq. He details the scattering of the Ogaden clan, their forced migration southwards seeking refuge in the feverish river valleys, and even turning to hunting and farming- measures that were again considered very shameful usually only undertaken by slaves and low-caste Somalis and utterly demeaning for the once great pastoral Ogaden clan. The Ogaden, Ali recounts, have been forced to accept refuge with the clans that defeated them, especially the Habr Yunis, and cannot take revenge. The Isaq are portrayed as particularly callous and shameful in the way they parade looted Ogaden camels in front of their previous owners. Even in translation it is a very evocative poem"


''The Habr Yunis advance into Ogaden territory was eventually halted by the intervention of the British protectrate authorities with assistance from the Ethiopian Empire, who considered the Ogaden their subjects and whose safety was their priority. In one incident the Habar Yunis looted 1330 camels from the Ogaden, but were pressured by the British and the Ethiopians to return the camels to their previous owners. The Habr Yunis obliged and promised to desist in their raids, but despite their promise they continued to successfully raid the Ogadens unhindered up until the British ceded the Haud to Ethiopia''.

''During the period of administrative chaos which followed the war the Isaaq used their superior strength against both the Ogaadeen and the Dhulbahante. They looted many Ogaadeen herds, captured some of their wells and water-ponds, and dislodged them from a large part of their grazing areas in the Hawd. The Isaaq onslaught was so powerful that the Ogaadeen could put up little or no resistance, and did not even try to avenge their wrongs. Some of the clans, however, after being looted and pushed southward, developed a modus vivendi with the Isaaq and intermarried with them''.

'' The southwards expansion of the Somali from the shores of the Gulf of Aden still continues despite the establishment of international frontiers and Administrative control. It is very evident in the Northern Province of Kenya, and in the British Protectorate the Isaaq now appear to be pushing outside the territory at the expense of the Darod into the Ogaden and Haud''

The Habar Yunis are the reason why you settle in as for as Kenya today. it was to escape from them...

Donqonkii Ogadeen...

We defeated the Edoor with our own weapons.
Weapons, we got from the Italians in Beledwayne.
We were at war with the Abysinians at Harar, at the same time the Edoor together with their British patrons were raiding Ogaden under the cover of hunting down, the remnants of the Dervishes.
That is why when Italy attacked Abysinia, the Ogadens, wholly sided with Italy and became Soldiers for Mussolini.
There is even a Habaryoonis poet, attesting to this and saying:
Intii aan Talyaanigu camirin, cidhifyadaa kaynta
Miyaanaan cadceed iyo cadceed celinin Daaroodka.

never the less. idoor is the tiny weak li'l tribe that took hawd from cagder. as the mighty cagder fled daror, the cagder garad begged for pity. weak a** idoor sultan beheaded the defeated cagder garad

bestp. shouldn't you thank me for chasing you. running away from me caused you to run into weaker tribes. centuries of idoor bullying cagder led to cagder in jubaland

noer wrote: Mon Jan 09, 2023 11:23 pm never the less. idoor is the tiny weak li'l tribe that took hawd from cagder. as the mighty cagder fled daror, the cagder garad begged for pity. weak a** idoor sultan beheaded the defeated cagder garad

bestp. shouldn't you thank me for chasing you. running away from me caused you to run into weaker tribes. centuries of idoor bullying cagder led to cagder in jubaland

1. The Edoor, Habaryoonis, murdered a captive. Which is a gun culture
2. Ogaadeen, MSubeer, Reer Isaaq, Reer Haaruun, have killed, the Habaryoonis, Chief, so called Suldan Cawad, in combat as revenge
3. These fights were happening in late 19th century
4. We captured Jubbaland in 1842. Our capture of Jubbaland is well documented by the English who came to us in 1880s
5. Our mission to capture Jubbaland happened around the same time we were raiding, the Edoor in Berbera. Arguably the peak of our power. It was the time of Ugaas Nuur-Cubudhiye

balwarama wrote: Tue Jan 10, 2023 12:28 am

noer wrote: Mon Jan 09, 2023 11:23 pm never the less. idoor is the tiny weak li'l tribe that took hawd from cagder. as the mighty cagder fled daror, the cagder garad begged for pity. weak a** idoor sultan beheaded the defeated cagder garad

bestp. shouldn't you thank me for chasing you. running away from me caused you to run into weaker tribes. centuries of idoor bullying cagder led to cagder in jubaland

1. The Edoor, Habaryoonis, murdered a captive. Which is a gun culture
2. Ogaadeen, MSubeer, Reer Isaaq, Reer Haaruun, have killed, the Habaryoonis, Chief, so called Suldan Cawad, in combat as revenge
3. These fights were happening in late 19th century
4. We captured Jubbaland in 1842. Our capture of Jubbaland is well documented by the English who came to us in 1880s
5. Our mission to capture Jubbaland happened around the same time we were raiding, the Edoor in Berbera. Arguably the peak of our power. It was the time of Ugaas Nuur-Cubudhiye

i still own daror. i can't wait for abiy loyalists to leave jigjiga. cagder iyo idoor oo isku so hadhay. free hawd n reserve. including jigjiga





idoor deported cagders from so much land. shouldn't be too hard to deport a few cagder settlers from jigjiga. amnesty for the good cagder who can contribute to hawd n reserve or the rest of somaliland. the rest of cagder have to immediately return to native cagderland. they can apply for somaliland residence to return to jigjiga or anywhere in hawd n reserve

We will definitely take over jigjiga one day , its a property of habar awal. Sacad muuse made a mistake to give too much importance of Hargeisa. They should have stayed jigjiga. I can't lie the cagdheers are good at adapting new environments . Even if we put them in Siberia the cagdheers can survive there and raise up. How on earth cagdheers managed to be reer jigjiga , I can't even believe

noer wrote: Tue Jan 10, 2023 12:36 am

balwarama wrote: Tue Jan 10, 2023 12:28 am

noer wrote: Mon Jan 09, 2023 11:23 pm never the less. idoor is the tiny weak li'l tribe that took hawd from cagder. as the mighty cagder fled daror, the cagder garad begged for pity. weak a** idoor sultan beheaded the defeated cagder garad

bestp. shouldn't you thank me for chasing you. running away from me caused you to run into weaker tribes. centuries of idoor bullying cagder led to cagder in jubaland

1. The Edoor, Habaryoonis, murdered a captive. Which is a gun culture
2. Ogaadeen, MSubeer, Reer Isaaq, Reer Haaruun, have killed, the Habaryoonis, Chief, so called Suldan Cawad, in combat as revenge
3. These fights were happening in late 19th century
4. We captured Jubbaland in 1842. Our capture of Jubbaland is well documented by the English who came to us in 1880s
5. Our mission to capture Jubbaland happened around the same time we were raiding, the Edoor in Berbera. Arguably the peak of our power. It was the time of Ugaas Nuur-Cubudhiye

i still own daror. i can't wait for abiy loyalists to leave jigjiga. cagder iyo idoor oo isku so hadhay. free hawd n reserve. including jigjiga





idoor deported cagders from so much land. shouldn't be too hard to deport a few cagder settlers from jigjiga. amnesty for the good cagder who can contribute to hawd n reserve or the rest of somaliland. the rest of cagder have to immediately return to native cagderland. they can apply for somaliland residence to return to jigjiga or anywhere in hawd n reserve

I can assure you, we are determined to take back, Daror and the rest of Garduur, occupied by Edoor.
The Edoor, Ogaadeen border used to be Tuuyo plains in the 1870s.

theyuusuf143 wrote: Tue Jan 10, 2023 1:07 am We will definitely take over jigjiga one day , its a property of habar awal. Sacad muuse made a mistake to give too much importance of Hargeisa. They should have stayed jigjiga. I can't lie the cagdheers are good at adapting new environments . Even if we put them in Siberia the cagdheers can survive there and raise up. How on earth cagdheers managed to be reer jigjiga , I can't even believe

We are not Reer Jigjiga. However it belongs to our cousins, Bartire, Jidwaaq and we will defend it.

General Duufle (Skywalker)


Xiniinyo iyo Xoog Ingriis uu lahaa ayaad igula dagaashay .Bal halkan yara aqriso, Waa kaan gaalkii uu idin leeyahay "Our Western tribes"

"I don't hesitate to state that our friendly tribes(Iidoor) can then be reasonably be said to be in a position to hold their own (against Ali and Haroun )"

Cali iyo Haaruun baa hafin jiray Iidoorkii gaalku ku lamaanaa



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They (British) did supply friendly tribes (Iidoor) with weapons, which were used against other tribes (Ogaden ) in internecine warfare


The lowly Iidoor always counted on the biased British interventions

Habashi iyo Ingriis markaanu gaashaanka u daruurnay ee aan wax badan meel iska saarnay, Iidoor gaalada ayuu daba dhilif u ahaa.

Cumar Fakad depicting the bloody Ogaden struggle against the two colonial kafirs, the British and Habesha.

Dayaaradaha Reer Yurub wixii, nalagu soo daayey
Dusha sare waxay nagaga timid, baladdii duulaysay
Madfac dirigriglayn iyo garneylaad, dundumo moodid
Darandoori wuxuu noogu riday, diir-cadow Ferenji
Danbaskaa wixii lagaga dhigay, dad iyo maalkeena
Waxay beel danaayeysan subax, dumisay eey leeftay
Dabaabaad wixii nalagu galay, daakirkiyo waaga
Dabracelinta kaaraha wixii, nala dabaalsiiyey
Dirir hore dorraato iyo shalay, duhurka aan joogno
Iidoor dagaal nalama galin, dab iyo baaruude
Dufan-jeceshu waatay kufriga, daris ahaayeene