Original dervish come in

[Khalid Ali]

I have the solution. Original dervish is right. When he says it’s not feasible to make a clear border between eastern hy and hj and dhulbahante and warsangali. Because it does it’s a headache where will
U make the border. Gumeys oog and how will u deal with the ceerigaabo district where are villages are on both sides of the border dhulbahante have two sub districts in ceerigaabo region masagan and awrboogays Now Gadhweyne have two sub districts in the badhan overal districts they live in waqadiriy how will u fix it. Now how is that going to work it’s madness and also the the Hutus don’t care about some districts of somaliland they want all of somaliland to be under the bunker the best way is to convince the warsangali and dhulbahante on a power sharing formula where I differ with od is talks with walanweyn is not feasible they will never Honer Any deal they signed. We should just wait once they hold a referendum on their so called constitutions and they fail to hold elections inside somaliland Britain’s bounderies if they fail to hold elections then its a win. U defeault then somaliland is recognised

But what we should do is that since isaaq during the British era were 67.8 percent in term of population I believe we should not sit on 80 percent of all seats in somaliland. But share it 50 50 duriyad vs darafyada in order to have an all inclusive somaliland
And we should enshrine it in the constitution

In order for every one to be happy I just don’t see anything good coming from the bunker not sure what od thinks anything good can come from the bunker

[abdikarim86]

^Reer Sheekh Isxaaq are least 80% of the population of Somaliland. The British merely estimated.
The voting patterns just before independence give a clear indication of the demographic split of the population.

Where do you get get the idea that the masses will accept only 50% representation to appease a minority hell bent on splitting Somaliland into its clan units?

[abdikarim86]

With respect to the topic raised by Yuusuf - A couple of points.

Somaliland must NOT leave Eastern Sool and should push further into Eastern Sanaag. The status quo MUST remain till the day comes when serious talks start between Xamar and Hargeysa.

When that day comes, then a MAYBE clan demarcation can be done between the HY & HJ and the Harti /Daarood. Town by town, village by village and hamlet by hamlet.

The folks from Eastern Sool and their Daarood Kin want the disintegration of Somaliland along clan units.
Go on twitter, listen to their media and read their websites.
They want the collapse of Somaliland.
They want Awdal land and the Isaaq to be split. And all those subunits to be controlled from Xamar by the Daarood/Hawiye duopoly.

We must NOT negotiate with these people, if it harms the existence of Somaliland in any way.

We remain, eventually their little so called revolution will run out of steam. And if war comes - Which is likely.
We go on the defensive and kill them whenever they attack army positions like during the days of their SSC and Khaatumo rebellion.

Eventually they will run out of steam.

[mahoka]

Guys we are ignoring the elephant in the room

South Sudan and Eritrea got recognised in the last 32 years
South Sudan fought a brutal war against Sudan and Eritrea fought a brutal war against Ethiopia.

[abdikarim86]

This is not bad. The problem is the border. Isaaq has encroached on the historical border between them and dhulos. Dhulbahante wants his original border back but isaaq want to keep expanding.

Not an INCH will be given up.
If you want it - Pick up the AK

[original dervish]

First of all I don't see you putting on your tin hat and grabbing a gun.

Those whom call for war from their comforts in the west are among the worst type of cowards.

Because you heard some bs online that doesn't represent Dhulbahante........no more than snet represents any other clan. Stop being so flakey.

[abdikarim86]

Guys we are ignoring the elephant in the room

South Sudan and Eritrea got recognised in the last 32 years
South Sudan fought a brutal war against Sudan and Eritrea fought a brutal war against Ethiopia.

Our road is much longer - Eritrea and South Sudan are both basket cases.

I think if we were recognised in the early 90s we may have not faired any better.

We are stable, we control the majority of territories we claim, we have an imperfect freedom, institutions and
and an elective democracy.

We have to think long term.

An offensive war cannot be the solution.
The Dhulbahante minority, want to paint Duriyatul Sheekh Isaxaaq as blood thirsty and genocidal.

We must remain patient, and our wars must be defensive.
Like their Khaatumo and SSC from 10 years ago it will fizzle out

[noer]

I have the solution. Original dervish is right. When he says it’s not feasible to make a clear border between eastern hy and hj and dhulbahante and warsangali. Because it does it’s a headache where will
U make the border. Gumeys oog and how will u deal with the ceerigaabo district where are villages are on both sides of the border dhulbahante have two sub districts in ceerigaabo region masagan and awrboogays Now Gadhweyne have two sub districts in the badhan overal districts they live in waqadiriy how will u fix it. Now how is that going to work it’s madness and also the the Hutus don’t care about some districts of somaliland they want all of somaliland to be under the bunker the best way is to convince the warsangali and dhulbahante on a power sharing formula where I differ with od is talks with walanweyn is not feasible they will never Honer Any deal they signed. We should just wait once they hold a referendum on their so called constitutions and they fail to hold elections inside somaliland Britain’s bounderies if they fail to hold elections then its a win. U defeault then somaliland is recognised

But what we should do is that since isaaq during the British era were 67.8 percent in term of population I believe we should not sit on 80 percent of all seats in somaliland. But share it 50 50 duriyad vs darafyada in order to have an all inclusive somaliland
And we should enshrine it in the constitution

In order for every one to be happy I just don’t see anything good coming from the bunker not sure what od thinks anything good can come from the bunker

me tink that's what i said in 2021 elections. i said those b**ch a** wasakhgalis gonna be too lazy to vote. maybe boycott. then they won't have any seats. so let's set aside some seat that only wasakhgali regions can vote on. if wasakhgali n idoor compete in the same constituencies all the seats gonna go to idoor. to make wasakhgalis feel included, wasakhgali villages should get a certain number of seats. isak areas get a certain number set aside

or we can do the formula from '60. it was like 2 idoor seats to 1 seat for the other tribes. 33 total. idoor constituencies had like 21 or 22. me tinke idoor gave 1 of their seats to madiban or yibir

last thing. executive pm chosen by parliament. this gonna diffuse tribalism. presidency is winner take all. president deal wit tribes. wit an executive pm, the tribes deal wit their mp. the mp deal wit the rest of parliament. parliament deal wit pm n the ministers. we never gotta worry again about a president who don't know how deal wit wasakhgali tribe elders

[theyuusuf143]

Why is it hard somalis to agree on any thing , we need clear border line between us (HJ/HY) and dhulbahante , including their ceerigaabo territory. That's very simple thing we can do now and it doesn't even need any government involvement. This border line is tribal border line so eventually if dhulbahante leaves they have legitimate boundaries . My suggestion is good for both sides .

Wallaahi it won't even cost any thing , it's easy for me to do like a cup of tea. All we need is formal meeting between the clans , then hire volunteer experts from our clans. And mark every where after we consult every two opposing villages. This can prevent thousands of our future offspring to die for something we can solve today.

Maati gadhleh baa ummada hogaaminaysa walaahi, naago iyo munaafiqiin aan Rabin in la heshiiyo. Adeer dhulbahantaw hadaad bil gudaheed arin noola iman waydaan anagoo habarjeclo iyo habaryonis ah , walaahi run baan idiin sheegayaye. Isaaqna idinka bixi maayo somaliland na weligiin kama go,i kartaan. Maxaad go,adaan waxbaba inooma kala soocnee. Weliba isna dayn mayno ilaa qiyaamaha . Nin walawba intay gacantaadu gaadho qabso.

[Khalid Ali]

^Reer Sheekh Isxaaq are least 80% of the population of Somaliland. The British merely estimated.
The voting patterns just before independence give a clear indication of the demographic split of the population.

Where do you get get the idea that the masses will accept only 50% representation to appease a minority hell bent on splitting Somaliland into its clan units?

We need ta more inclusive state structure of government to appease all the constituents. U can still be the majority but u share the political representing to accommodate the smaller communities nothing wrong with that even America does it with the niggers and latinos and the red indians

[Khalid Ali]

Why is it hard somalis to agree on any thing , we need clear border line between us (HJ/HY) and dhulbahante , including their ceerigaabo territory. That's very simple thing we can do now and it doesn't even need any government involvement. This border line is tribal border line so eventually if dhulbahante leaves they have legitimate boundaries . My suggestion is good for both sides .

Wallaahi it won't even cost any thing , it's easy for me to do like a cup of tea. All we need is formal meeting between the clans , then hire volunteer experts from our clans. And mark every where after we consult every two opposing villages. This can prevent thousands of our future offspring to die for something we can solve today.

Maati gadhleh baa ummada hogaaminaysa walaahi, naago iyo munaafiqiin aan Rabin in la heshiiyo. Adeer dhulbahantaw hadaad bil gudaheed arin noola iman waydaan anagoo habarjeclo iyo habaryonis ah , walaahi run baan idiin sheegayaye. Isaaqna idinka bixi maayo somaliland na weligiin kama go,i kartaan. Maxaad go,adaan waxbaba inooma kala soocnee. Weliba isna dayn mayno ilaa qiyaamaha . Nin walawba intay gacantaadu gaadho qabso.

No need for that dhulka oo dhan wala wasanleeyahay sxb
Cid cid wax gaar u leh ma jirto and we should not entertain certain clan ownership of certain regions all of the land belongs to somaliland and its government that should be the approach wax faiido ah oo ku jirta dhulka dhulbahante iyo wasakhgali baan siinayaa xamar. Oo xamar baa igu ictraafaaysa waxaas waxaasi wa been xamar ma rabti bariga sool iyo bariga sanag adigay ku rabta inay godka ugandheeska ku hood geyso once u get that wax micna ugu ma fadhido bariga sool iyo bariga sanaag

[theyuusuf143]

Anaga qudhayadu ma rabno. Ee cid alaale qaadanaysa haw timaado aqoon sigayagana hanala siiyo. Dhulkan xitaa hadaynu macdan Ka baadhi lahayn jewi nabad gelyo baan inoo saamaxayn. Dhulmahante is very disadvantaged clan for somaliland. Mustaqbal kooda iyo keenuba wuxu Ku jiraa inaynu kala tagno. Wixii iskaga keen xidhana lagu kala baxo qaabkaan kor kusoo sharaxay. Wixii intaa Ka sokeeya waa iska hadal.

[zidane88]

Huuhaa aside, i think Dhulbahante should stay with Somaliland. Where else would be better for them than S/land?

[original dervish]

Personally I agree that Dhulbahante are better off in SL.
The sticking point seems to be secessionism.
Which is crazy because its clear SL will never be independent.

A good compromise would be if SL recognise they're still a part of Somalia and Dhulbahante recognise they're part of SL.

SL can then pursue its secessionist agenda from within Somalia. A new political dispensation will have to take place where all the non issaq groups have their rights and autonomy guaranteed in a new constitution.

By following this path I believe that in a decade or so all northerners would agree to be separate from Somalia.

[abdikarim86]

^Reer Sheekh Isxaaq are least 80% of the population of Somaliland. The British merely estimated.
The voting patterns just before independence give a clear indication of the demographic split of the population.

Where do you get get the idea that the masses will accept only 50% representation to appease a minority hell bent on splitting Somaliland into its clan units?

We need ta more inclusive state structure of government to appease all the constituents. U can still be the majority but u share the political representing to accommodate the smaller communities nothing wrong with that even America does it with the niggers and latinos and the red indians

I understand the point you make - Examples of this exist the world over.

What they all have in common is that said minorities accept the status quo and if they don’t they agitate for more or agitate to leave in legitimate ways.

However the Dhulbahante extremists and their Daarood kin are not interested in this.

They want the disintegration of Somaliland - What is so difficult to understand?

This blue revolution was a concerted conspiracy.
They kill their kin who work for Somaliland for years.
They keep silent about the murders.
They blame the Isaaq for the murders.
And then they start rioting.
Police drawn from their kin kill a few protesters and suddenly
It’s Beesha Sheekh Isaxaaq have committed genocide.
We withdraw the troops so as not to give credibility to the liars and to calm the situation.
We give them space
And what do they and their elders do - Caytan, goading and pure propaganda.

How should we act - By not giving one inch.

The status quo is the only option open to us.
Let them do their dabaaldag.
Let them waive their shitty blue flags.
Let them wail all over the media about how Reer Sheekh Isaxaaq are the devil.

The dust will settle eventually

We are all over Eastern Sool.
When the dust settles and the police, civil servants, teachers
need to be paid they will behave. When businesses want to get back to normality. They will behave and run out of steam eventually.

If they opt for war - And these extremists are hot headed.
Then it MUST be defensive. It must not be offensive for this is what they crave.

It should be the same way we dealt with Khaatumo and SSC 10 years ago. Placate, cajole and when they attack military bases - Kill.

Eventually Xamar and Hargeysa will talk - And then we can be rid of them if the option is put on the table.
Wallah no Isaaq will loose a seconds sleep over Eastern Sanaag and Eastern Sool if it means we get de jure recognition.