Habar Yoonis has revolted as was predictable. Do not underestimate threat of "inter-Isaaq" civil war.

[theyuusuf143]

Inuu isaaq islaayo faa,iidaa inoogu jirtaba , waayo dadka badankoodu waxay u guurayaan hawd iyo reserve area , dhul aynu soo faaruqinay baa dib u camirmaya. Markasta oo population kaagu meel Ku batana , meeshaasi gacantay kuugu jirtaa. Ilaahaw habaarka boonta noo aqbal

[Gubbet]

Hawd iyo "reserve" waa lama degaan. He who doesn't know his history speaks your ignorance. The British tried 3X to dig a borehole for Garxajis south of Oodweyne but it refused to yield. Read Hunt. The Hawd is historically called "the waterless haud" for a reason. Unless you are Marehan with Buuro (Golwayn, Raqo, Cilaanle, etc) or at Galaadi or at Buuhoodle there is no permanent water anywhere else in the entire central plateau between WARANDHAAB (on the road to Dhagaxbuur) and Ceel Baxay of Buuro in a east-west line, no permanent water between Oodweyne and Cilaanle of Buuro, and no permanent water between Buuhoodle until Galaadi in a north -south line.



The "Haud" unless you are at Buuro, Galaadi, Buuhoodle is not meant for "settlement" until you are at Oodweyne or Warandhaab.

It is meant to be "grazed" at rainy season (Gu') when the pans like gubbets/bali/laaso/gal/tog/or war or all together small "ponds" are filled and the seasonal wells have pooled water in their acquifiers like at Walwaal and Wardeer and Garloogubey and Danood. Yea, even the "7 wells of Doollo" are not permanent water systems, they are historically seasonal wells that cannot sustain life during Jiilaal when folks like yours were supposed to have trekes back home to your permanent home wells at like Oodweyne. This is why the Ogaden who are not at Makaahiil were at Warandhaab (Uarandab) during Jiilaal while the Makaahiil were roosting at Galaadi or if not at war with Marehan in Buuro during Jiilaal!

The settlement of the Hawd was made possible by BIRKA (Berkad) or water chatchments introduced by the British but now we recognize the disastrous consequence of this is environmental degradation, overgrazing, and precarious life always at the door of famine on recurrently, cyclical basis every year.

You are supposed to graze the hawd "seasonally" during Gu then go back "home" so range and feed recover and the environment isn't taxed. Now you have that plus water trucking to the Berkad has disastrously impacted the availability and price of water far beyond the area.

The truth is Somalis are in this humanitarian catastrophy because what you identify is simply not sustainable.

[Gubbet]

Speaking of which for anyone who might be keen eyed on what the markings on the right side of that map maybe, well recall the comparison I made between Caynaba Valley and Gelinsoor Valley if full clan war breaks out between Dhullo and HJ as I observed the trajectory is pointing to;

It shows the sad reality of marehan , that you are reduced to beg alllah to punish isaaq. that's all you can do for you beloved brother.

"The lion does not need the whole world to fear him, only those nearest where he roams." You have already seen how our troops are capable against your harti folks. Our police can manhandle any habar and FK her Infront of others.

You need to understand your circumstance today as "HJ" is strategically heading into a "calamity."

Remember what I said at the start namely I will not be surprised if at the end of all this Dhulbahante is once again with the plains of Caynaba Valley.

Practically--no one--even while I was on this forum, believed Marehan would retake Gelinsoor valley in Mudug. Today Marehan not only retook it but is singularly the only one in it with Wagardhac having removed by force Caydiid's own HG/Sacad/Rer Jalaf.

"Oog" is "Kaxandhaale" and "Dacdheer" before Marehan removed HG by force; Sacad from Kaxandhaale and Saleebaan from Dacdheer.

HJ---Dhulbahante is holding the biggest grievance against you and your Garxajis brothers have effectively identified you as participants to or incriminated in "injustice."

It never turns out "well" for Somali subclans who inspire such deep grievance from their immediate neighbor to the extent even their own brother washes his hands off of it in public.

It never. Wallahi.

The markings on that previous map is just my tracking of how Gelinsoor valley has been seized back from HG by MX within the last 7-8 years;



Yusuf war baa u dhiman.

[theyuusuf143]

Niyaw horta ma dawaa kuu socota , miyaanad hal qodob weliga Ka hadli Karin adigoon marexan iyo tuulooyin kiina meesha dhigdhigin.

Aduunku inuu horumar gaadhyse miyaan laguu sheegin oo meel walba riig laga qodi Karo. Qalab hal KM biyaha ugu tegayaa jira. Waxa jira yaguna wax dhaamam la dhaho. Oo biyaha sare la qabto , biyaha hoosena soo dhawaanayan ama ay maaxanayan.

[Gubbet]

Niyaw horta ma dawaa kuu socota , miyaanad hal qodob weliga Ka hadli Karin adigoon marexan iyo tuulooyin kiina meesha dhigdhigin.

Aduunku inuu horumar gaadhyse miyaan laguu sheegin oo meel walba riig laga qodi Karo. Qalab hal KM biyaha ugu tegayaa jira. Waxa jira yaguna wax dhaamam la dhaho. Oo biyaha sare la qabto , biyaha hoosena soo dhawaanayan ama ay maaxanayan.

It's not me sxb, it is Marehan. They are the ony Somali group that are singularly important to the history of every part of the Somali territories. For example, you aren't important to southern history and nor is Hawiye important to northern history and nor is Raxanwayn important to western history and nor is Dir important to eastern history. Yet, the Marehan are important to northern history, they are important to central history, they are important to southern history, they are important to the history of Raxanwayn, they are important to Western history with the Futuh and Harar, they are important to even far borderlands deep southwestern and southern history with the captures of Liban and Nageyle to Ceel-Waaq and Wajeer.

For example, you referenced "Hawd and Reserve" which are British colonial tools that were misappropriated so the British would placate the groups within her jurisdiction for the fact a random line was put down on Somali territory which had the effect of then gifting land to Ethiopian official control that never existed before.

What they called Hawd and Reserve was really a "declared statement" that the groups in her jurisdiction, like all Somalis, do not have static boundaries, but are really migratory and so therefore ", Ethiopia, will you please allow them to continue migrating since I gifted you control to begin with?"

The Hawd and Reserve are not YOUR property. They are EQUITY to which you had a right to---like all Somali herdsmen on the central plateau who have historically gathered there for "communal grazing" during GU/rainy season.

The Hawd and Reserved are not even geographical or environmental terms. It is not the "Hawd" livelihood zone---it is a part of it. And it is not clan territory that belongs to you either. It merely pointed out where your herds "usually" went as far as before you had to go back to Oodweyne. And where you went as far as was communally grazed with other Somalis who reached it namely the Ogaden and related Jidwaaq in that part of the plateau.

Essentially it is WADA LAHAANSHO, NOT LAHAANSHO. Lahaanasho was alien because 1. Clans didn't own grazing,they owned wells and 2. there were NO WELLS in the Hawd and Reserved.

Which is why I brought up the actual heart of hawd environmental livelihood zone is WARDHEER and the only groups who had permanent wells are the people who were at Buuro (MX), Galaadi (Mj), and Buuhoodle (Dh).

They are the only ones who had permanent wells in the entire livelihood zobe called "Hawd."

Which is to say you referencing the Hawd and Reserve as property of your "ownership" justifying whatever you think about hostilities so you institute an act of land claiming is completely misguided and ignorant.

Because---

The Hawd isn't your clan property and the part accessed by you is not even the part with permanent source of water if it was meant to be settled.

The overwhelming majority of the Hawd including 100%, of the part accessed by you is meant to be grazed seasonally during Gu and retreated from the rest of the year during Jiilaal.


As for Riig, it doesn't give you water. It only allows you to access it. There are only 3 places with permanent acquifers namely Buuro (MX), Galaadi (,MJ), and Buuhoodle (,Dh,). The rest of the permanent water is on the perimeter of Hawd namely Uarandab (previously Tug Faafan, now Ceel Ogaadeen system), Oodweyne (Togdheer system), Laas Caano (previously Tug Daroor, now Nugaal system), Dudub-Galdogob-Gaalkacyo (Mudug system), Qorof-Cabda Caalle-Balanbale (previously Mareerguur, now Caabudwaaq system). Any "Riig" within that perimeter not dug at Buuro, Galaadi, and Buuhoodle will get you shallow dug wells that are season or temporary. Look at Warder town---it requires 10 wells where only 1/2 of it is being used at a time with the other 1/2 on reserve for the other half of the year. And in between, they are dependent on any bit of rain water that comes seeping into the shalow acquifer not being used to fill up before switch. And they have the same number of wells at Walwaal not because of need but as stand by/further reserve for Wardeer town. Now you know why Wardeer town is so small and even more why Walwaal and all these off repeated 7wells of Doollo are empty hamlets. They were never meant to be settled but seasonally grazed and the wells temporary and seasonally discharging water not permanently.

Read this topic for more info;

https://www.somalinet.com/forums/viewto ... 9#p5030703

[skywalker25]

Niyaw horta ma dawaa kuu socota , miyaanad hal qodob weliga Ka hadli Karin adigoon marexan iyo tuulooyin kiina meesha dhigdhigin.

Aduunku inuu horumar gaadhyse miyaan laguu sheegin oo meel walba riig laga qodi Karo. Qalab hal KM biyaha ugu tegayaa jira. Waxa jira yaguna wax dhaamam la dhaho. Oo biyaha sare la qabto , biyaha hoosena soo dhawaanayan ama ay maaxanayan.

It's not me sxb, it is Marehan. They are the ony Somali group that are singularly important to the history of every part of the Somali territories. For example, you aren't important to southern history and nor is Hawiye important to northern history and nor is Raxanwayn important to western history and nor is Dir important to eastern history. Yet, the Marehan are important to northern history, they are important to central history, they are important to southern history, they are important to the history of Raxanwayn, they are important to Western history with the Futuh and Harar, they are important to even far borderlands deep southwestern and southern history with the captures of Liban and Nageyle to Ceel-Waaq and Wajeer.

For example, you referenced "Hawd and Reserve" which are British colonial tools that were misappropriated so the British would placate the groups within her jurisdiction for the fact a random line was put down on Somali territory which had the effect of then gifting land to Ethiopian official control that never existed before.

What they called Hawd and Reserve was really a "declared statement" that the groups in her jurisdiction, like all Somalis, do not have static boundaries, but are really migratory and so therefore ", Ethiopia, will you please allow them to continue migrating since I gifted you control to begin with?"

The Hawd and Reserve are not YOUR property. They are EQUITY to which you had a right to---like all Somali herdsmen on the central plateau who have historically gathered there for "communal grazing" during GU/rainy season.

The Hawd and Reserved are not even geographical or environmental terms. It is not the "Hawd" livelihood zone---it is a part of it. And it is not clan territory that belongs to you either. It merely pointed out where your herds "usually" went as far as before you had to go back to Oodweyne. And where you went as far as was communally grazed with other Somalis who reached it namely the Ogaden and related Jidwaaq in that part of the plateau.

Essentially it is WADA LAHAANSHO, NOT LAHAANSHO. Lahaanasho was alien because 1. Clans didn't own grazing,they owned wells and 2. there were NO WELLS in the Hawd and Reserved.

Which is why I brought up the actual heart of hawd environmental livelihood zone is WARDHEER and the only groups who had permanent wells are the people who were at Buuro (MX), Galaadi (Mj), and Buuhoodle (Dh).

They are the only ones who had permanent wells in the entire livelihood zobe called "Hawd."

Which is to say you referencing the Hawd and Reserve as property of your "ownership" justifying whatever you think about hostilities so you institute an act of land claiming is completely misguided and ignorant.

Because---

The Hawd isn't your clan property and the part accessed by you is not even the part with permanent source of water if it was meant to be settled.

The overwhelming majority of the Hawd including 100%, of the part accessed by you is meant to be grazed seasonally during Gu and retreated from the rest of the year during Jiilaal.


As for Riig, it doesn't give you water. It only allows you to access it. There are only 3 places with permanent acquifers namely Buuro (MX), Galaadi (,MJ), and Buuhoodle (,Dh,). The rest of the permanent water is on the perimeter of Hawd namely Uarandab (previously Tug Faafan, now Ceel Ogaadeen system), Oodweyne (Togdheer system), Laas Caano (previously Tug Daroor, now Nugaal system), Dudub-Galdogob-Gaalkacyo (Mudug system), Qorof-Cabda Caalle-Balanbale (previously Mareerguur, now Caabudwaaq system). Any "Riig" within that perimeter not dug at Buuro, Galaadi, and Buuhoodle will get you shallow dug wells that are season or temporary. Look at Warder town---it requires 10 wells where only 1/2 of it is being used at a time with the other 1/2 on reserve for the other half of the year. And in between, they are dependent on any bit of rain water that comes seeping into the shalow acquifer not being used to fill up before switch. And they have the same number of wells at Walwaal not because of need but as stand by/further reserve for Wardeer town. Now you know why Wardeer town is so small and even more why Walwaal and all these off repeated 7wells of Doollo are empty hamlets. They were never meant to be settled but seasonally grazed and the wells temporary and seasonally discharging water not permanently.

Read this topic for more info;

https://www.somalinet.com/forums/viewto ... 9#p5030703

Voltage,

Clearly you are a man living on handouts or have reach parents since you have so much time to bombard us with constant stream of misinformation. You tactics are clever - pick a subject that will be difficult, then build facts around that subject which can't be proven otherwise unless one takes a trip back home. This is not possible or necessarry. The truth is nobody knows you or these wells you speak off. We Isaaq's dont know Marexaan, we know of Ogaden, Dhulbahnte, and Majerteen. You though are on the edge of the Hawd. Look at my Habar Jeclo we settle from Xiis to a few Miles away from Danot. You go work out that distance. However I'd be ashamed if that was all I branged about day and night...

[Gubbet]

I wanted to give you some biting retort referencing the fact you are HJ and whatever implications can be derived even in comparison with other Isaaq on this subject but I decided it is not worth it and in fact irrelevant---just like your pattern of personalizing everything with me as an expression of your fragile intolerance of people's freedom of speech and expression.

[Gubbet]

Hawd iyo "reserve" waa lama degaan. He who doesn't know his history speaks your ignorance. The British tried 3X to dig a borehole for Garxajis south of Oodweyne but it refused to yield. Read Hunt. The Hawd is historically called "the waterless haud" for a reason. Unless you are Marehan with Buuro (Golwayn, Raqo, Cilaanle, etc) or at Galaadi or at Buuhoodle there is no permanent water anywhere else in the entire central plateau between WARANDHAAB (on the road to Dhagaxbuur) and Ceel Baxay of Buuro in a east-west line, no permanent water between Oodweyne and Cilaanle of Buuro, and no permanent water between Buuhoodle until Galaadi in a north -south line.



The "Haud" unless you are at Buuro, Galaadi, Buuhoodle is not meant for "settlement" until you are at Oodweyne or Warandhaab.

It is meant to be "grazed" at rainy season (Gu') when the pans like gubbets/bali/laaso/gal/tog/or war or all together small "ponds" are filled and the seasonal wells have pooled water in their acquifiers like at Walwaal and Wardeer and Garloogubey and Danood. Yea, even the "7 wells of Doollo" are not permanent water systems, they are historically seasonal wells that cannot sustain life during Jiilaal when folks like yours were supposed to have trekes back home to your permanent home wells at like Oodweyne. This is why the Ogaden who are not at Makaahiil were at Warandhaab (Uarandab) during Jiilaal while the Makaahiil were roosting at Galaadi or if not at war with Marehan in Buuro during Jiilaal!

The settlement of the Hawd was made possible by BIRKA (Berkad) or water chatchments introduced by the British but now we recognize the disastrous consequence of this is environmental degradation, overgrazing, and precarious life always at the door of famine on recurrently, cyclical basis every year.

You are supposed to graze the hawd "seasonally" during Gu then go back "home" so range and feed recover and the environment isn't taxed. Now you have that plus water trucking to the Berkad has disastrously impacted the availability and price of water far beyond the area.

The truth is Somalis are in this humanitarian catastrophy because what you identify is simply not sustainable.

By the way as for why Carro Mareexaan in the Hawd is called "Buuro" this is why



The single best equity in the entire grazing land on the central plateu

These are the only permanent sources of water in the entire haud from Galaadi to Warandhaab. This is why all the precolonial travelers called it the MAREHAN DESERT like in the Two Dianas in Somaliland or as they liked to pronounce it the"Mary Ann" Desert. This is why the Sayid ran to Bur (Buuro) after the Brits seriously engaged bringing Sikhs from India. Bur Gumburu was his single biggest battle defeat of the Brits trying to go from Galadi to Warder. Everyone else had to leave the hawd during Jiilaal and go running back to their home wells EXCEPT for Marehan. They simply retreated to their high altitude permanent sources of water while everything else in the Hawd turned into dry, baking, desert during Dry season. Only Marehan was left near the next bloom because he had at some point taken control of Buuro and didn't have to travel far, by the next Gu when others were just decamping Marehan camels were already fat having had a head start on NAQ.

What it looks like up those Hills inside one of those high altitude valleys this one @ Raqo, neary mom's home village in Buuro