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Ghiklo wrote: Mon Feb 20, 2023 2:34 am Waaq in the old reer Bari dialect could have just meant God. The Daarood clan began in Bari, not Galbeed.

Also, don't be ridiculous Ogaden/Geri Koombes clearly taught Oromos their abtiris. By the way, you can find Hawiye clan names in the Afran Qallo confederacy.

Are u a darood

balwarama wrote: Mon Feb 20, 2023 4:46 am This guy is a century and a half or 2 centuries late.
From 1848 to 1940s in British Contorolled Kenya, the Hawiye or the none Daaroods were not recognised or accepted as Somalis. The Dagodiye had to claim, Cawlyahan of Ogaden to get Daarood, priviledges.
There is no doubt that the Daarood were Royalty in Somali Country.
The Hawiye were directly or indirectly ruled by Mijertein.
Richard Burton even claims, Hawiye lives in Mijjertain Country.
Luigi Robecchi bricheti, writes in 1890, that the Darod lady's dowry is twice that of other Somalis.
As for the names, well, according to our story, the Darod was alone. He married from the Gallas who were here at the time.
Maybe the people were neither Moslems nor Somalis.
When, Edoor arrived nearly, 2 Centuries later, a lot of changes have happened.

Interestingly thou: the Guji Oromos are the only group of Oromo that still build, the primitive water catchments and deep water wells in the arid, eastern Ogaden Country, like Doolo. And I know for certain that we did not dug those wells or make those primitive water dams called, "Harooyinka" like Harodigeed. We conquered them as they were.
Maybe the Guji were the original inhabitants of these lands, today occupied by Ogaden. Maybe they were always our neighbors.

As for the Ajuuraan, there is no record of Ajuuraan and Daarood, knowing each other, at the height of Ajuuraan power.
The Daarood, later came in to contact with the Gareen branch of Ajuuraan whe were based at Qalaafo and highly respected them.

Lies lies Britain only colonised Kenya in1895
And the only people who had high status in British east Africa were isaaq no one wanted to be filthy jebertis
Isaaq sharifs had asiatic status why on earth would any one claim jeberti al khadan in Kenya

GameChanger wrote: Mon Feb 20, 2023 12:16 am The Kablalah lineage is still intact and well preserved in the Oromo Clans as parts of them never joined the group of Kablalah who broke free from the Galla and joined Ajuran which was a major victory for Somalis at that time of history. It provided a shield from further Oromo's grassing on our lands or wasting alot of sources again to invade them and in fact there was no longer borders with them anymore as the Kingdom was war-weary at that time after fighting 2 wars back to back wasting alot of manpower and sources into these campaigns. My forefathers part took in these campaigns making sure that Islam reigned supreme in the continent. Now Kablalah who became a new ally was guarding our left flank

Omg this is identical these doofaars have always been oromos I knew it they are is high shared ancestry with the oromos. Acudibilan Walahi great find ku wad

Can any dooros explain why those names are the same.

Four things daroods never can explain
Why the marexaan chief of the darood is called goyte xirabe theodorus a clear habesha orthodox name

How come the dhulbahante daroods trace 24. To darood and their supposed harti brothers mj trace over 40 to darood some one is clearly lying about their geneology abtirsi or they are not just related

Why do darood have habarti jidwaaq siwaaroon cabuudwaaq. A clear Oromo god in their abtirisi

And. Last but not least why do Oromo have the same ancestral names such as daroods kablalax and koombe

Khalid Ali wrote: Tue Feb 21, 2023 1:19 am

balwarama wrote: Mon Feb 20, 2023 4:46 am This guy is a century and a half or 2 centuries late.
From 1848 to 1940s in British Contorolled Kenya, the Hawiye or the none Daaroods were not recognised or accepted as Somalis. The Dagodiye had to claim, Cawlyahan of Ogaden to get Daarood, priviledges.
There is no doubt that the Daarood were Royalty in Somali Country.
The Hawiye were directly or indirectly ruled by Mijertein.
Richard Burton even claims, Hawiye lives in Mijjertain Country.
Luigi Robecchi bricheti, writes in 1890, that the Darod lady's dowry is twice that of other Somalis.
As for the names, well, according to our story, the Darod was alone. He married from the Gallas who were here at the time.
Maybe the people were neither Moslems nor Somalis.
When, Edoor arrived nearly, 2 Centuries later, a lot of changes have happened.

Interestingly thou: the Guji Oromos are the only group of Oromo that still build, the primitive water catchments and deep water wells in the arid, eastern Ogaden Country, like Doolo. And I know for certain that we did not dug those wells or make those primitive water dams called, "Harooyinka" like Harodigeed. We conquered them as they were.
Maybe the Guji were the original inhabitants of these lands, today occupied by Ogaden. Maybe they were always our neighbors.

As for the Ajuuraan, there is no record of Ajuuraan and Daarood, knowing each other, at the height of Ajuuraan power.
The Daarood, later came in to contact with the Gareen branch of Ajuuraan whe were based at Qalaafo and highly respected them.

Lies lies Britain only colonised Kenya in1895
And the only people who had high status in British east Africa were isaaq no one wanted to be filthy jebertis
Isaaq sharifs had asiatic status why on earth would any one claim jeberti al khadan in Kenya

You have reading comprehention problem. The Kenya part, clearly refers to the later date. From Cruttenden 1848, to British Kenyan bereucracy, only Daarood and sometimes together with Edoor is reffered to as Somali. The Hawiye were never accepted as Somalis by the English.
Read the book, "Journey through Jubbaland to the Lorian swamp". That book was written by an English man in 1913. In it, he says, Darod are Somalis and Hawiye are not Somali. He also says, the Ogaden is the true Bushmen of the Somali.
In Kenya there were two Somali Asociations.
The Isxaaqiya Community and Darodiya Community.
It is also possible, that the demand for higher status was first initiated by the Isxaaqiya Community but later the Darodiya Community also joined the protest. That Darodiya Community was mainly made up of the Harti Elements that came from the British Somaliland.
Once that status was granted, the same priviledges were extended to the native Darods by default, in the formerly British Jubaland, which was part of British East Africa.
These native, Darods (as the English used to call them) were Ogaden. The other Somali speaking groups were denied that status so the Degodiya Community, claimed to be part of Cawlyahan(Ogaden).

Soomaali waa itaxaan oo muran laga badin maayee, laakiin intani waa runtay, wayna qoran tahay.

Ma fiicna muran joogto ah un dadku inay ku jiraan xitaa haddaad sakhraansan tahay, ciddaad tahayna aan lagaranaynin.

Xagga, magacyada ay Daaroodku la wadaagaan, Gaalaha, sida Waaq iyo Koombe oo kale, waxaan aaminsanahay, inay sabab utahay, maadaama oo Daaroodku u markaas un bilaabanayay. Dadkii ay ka guursadeena ay Gaala ahaayeen.
Dee kolayna, Kushitignimadii bay wadaagaan. Laakiin, Daarood, Af ahaan markii layidhaahdo, Gaalaha ama Oromada waxay isaga dhaw yihiin, Cafarta iyo Saaxada, Alatariya.

Gaaluhu ma karaan, xarfaha, X, C, iyo Q.

Xagga abtirka, gaaban, inta badan waxaa keena Laangaabnimada.
Dhulbahante, aad buu uga Laangaabsan yahay, Majeerteen.
Dhulbahante iyo Cumar Maxamuud ayaa tiro ahaan isu dhigma.

Tusaale ahaan, Qoraxay waxaa wada jooga, laba Reer oo Abtirsi ahaan ay udhaxayso, 8 ama 9 Oday, haddana ah laba Qabiil oo isu dhigma oo waliba midka yari, Laandheeraysan yahay.
Reer Cali Yuusuf, jilibka Cabdi Iley, waa: Cali Yuusuf Maxaad-roob Cabdile.
Waxay isu dhigmaan, kaalin iyo wax qaybsi ahaan:
Reer, Xirsi Cilmi Warfaa Xirsi Khalaf Xasan Khalaf Yuusuf Maxaad-roob. Ufiirso, Yuusufka ay isugu yimaaddaan.
Haddana waliba, Reer Xirsiga ayaa kasii Laandheeraysan.
6 Oday baa udhaxaysa, marka magacyadooda iyo Yuusufka laga reebo.
Khalaf Yuusuf Maxaad-roob, Wiilkiisa, Wiilkiisu, Wiilkuu dhalay, Wiilkuu sii dhalay, Wiilkuu dhalay, dadkii ka tafiirmay baa kasii badan, Walaalkii, dadkii ka tafiirmay.

Waa karaamooyinka Ilaahay iyo mucjisooyinkiisa, mid kamid ah.

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Why Somalis love to claim Arabs when we are really related to the oromos by blood. Koonbe and kablalah are very unique names , it's not like Mohamed or Ali. It's very unique and the fact that oromo has the same names in their abtirsi is very interesting and it needs to be researched. We need to accept who we are . Any Somali with few brain cells knows that our ancestors didn't cross the the ocean.

mahoka wrote: Mon Feb 20, 2023 7:26 pm

balwarama wrote: Mon Feb 20, 2023 4:46 am

Warya stop writing essays, you are galla oromo ya cagdheer. It’s why I used to cook you in jail ogaden

He has no historical stuff to back him and he is qouting Richard Burton which is laughable. It is like some random Somali going to the UK 100 years ago and in fact it was in Kenya he wrote that which is not even in Somalia.. It is like some random somali writting that the Anglo are not the real Anglo but the Welsh are Which is laughable because the Anglo are the real anglo whereas the Welsh are celtics and you claiming someone who is SAMAALE is not how does that logic work I am Samaale aka the so-called Berbers mentioned by Ibn Battuta. It is someone who doesn't know anything and no academia has taken his writtings serious as it was not based on anything and basically rejected. Example people like James Dahl who is well versed in Somali abtirsi and historical accounts knows that Kablalah is oromo but never included in his work in order to avoid backlash but just says instead that the Jeberti has no trace or is unknown to keep it diplomatic.

Whereas the Jeberti emerged out of the Galla Madow wars entirely. The Samaale's have done Mercy to these who converted first and took them as their brothers because they knew they couldn't assimilate if they don't change Abtirsi from the Galla and disassociate from the Galla. Haven't you noticed that on top of the Jeberti it is claimed that a Hiraab girl gave birth to them which both are incorrect but it was done so to assilimate them. So the first wave of converts could disassociate themselves with the later group who also converted but kept their abtirsi and genelogy lineage. Jeberti is the first wave of Galla Oromo who converted but the rest did a century later.

We aren't qouting some irrelevant rejected individual who has nothing of research but we are viewing this from multiple historical sources and the track record movement of people. Jeberti emerged post-Gaal Madow wars which is roughly 4-5 centuries ago.

It also shows that the Samaale's treated the Galla different then the Jareer plantation slaves and other cad cad nobles who settled there and they went to great lengths building mosques and even setting up a sultanate for them in Bale they were sympathetic towards them an saw them as distant relative who broke off from them centuries ago. Which also includes giving the Kablalah new lineage the samaale's had a bias towards the Galla Oromo once they defeated them because they looked like them and were distant relatives.

theyuusuf143 wrote: Tue Feb 21, 2023 3:56 am Why Somalis love to claim Arabs when we are really related to the oromos by blood. Koonbe and kablalah are very unique names , it's not like Mohamed or Ali. It's very unique and the fact that oromo has the same names in their abtirsi is very interesting and it needs to be researched. We need to accept who we are . Any Somali with few brain cells knows that our ancestors didn't cross the the ocean.

We are not related to oromo, you want to humiliate beesha isaaq ninyahow, I am starting to think you are sheegato

Khalid Ali wrote: Tue Feb 21, 2023 1:42 am Four things daroods never can explain
Why the marexaan chief of the darood is called goyte xirabe theodorus a clear habesha orthodox name

How come the dhulbahante daroods trace 24. To darood and their supposed harti brothers mj trace over 40 to darood some one is clearly lying about their geneology abtirsi or they are not just related

Why do darood have habarti jidwaaq siwaaroon cabuudwaaq. A clear Oromo god in their abtirisi

And. Last but not least why do Oromo have the same ancestral names such as daroods kablalax and koombe

Are you stupid? Oromos flooded the Somali Galbeed after the 16th century. If we were not a double-digit IQ moron, you would know it's impossible for 16th-century era Oromos to father, a 900-year-old clan, that began in Bari.

The Dhulbahante all share a recent unknown ancestor prior to Siciid Harti, which is why their abtiris is so short. They are still related to other Hartis likely at the 825 year mark.

"Why the marexaan chief of the darood is called goyte xirabe theodorus a clear habesha orthodox name"

This might get my post deleted but a small minority (~5%) of Marexaans are indeed Oromo. Some Oromos have those Habesha-sounding names without actually being Habesha.

"And. Last but not least why do Oromo have the same ancestral names such as daroods kablalax and koombe"

The answer to this is obvious. Assimilated Somalis taught Oromos their abtiris. The Jidwaaq have their closest Y-Chromosome matches (father to son) with the Leelkase clan. For the last time, Daaroods all originated in the Bari region. Daaroods historically lived deep in the Somali interior.

Lastly, if Daaroods followed Waaqism we would definitely have belonged to a different religious sect than the Oromos.

mahoka wrote: Tue Feb 21, 2023 7:35 am

theyuusuf143 wrote: Tue Feb 21, 2023 3:56 am Why Somalis love to claim Arabs when we are really related to the oromos by blood. Koonbe and kablalah are very unique names , it's not like Mohamed or Ali. It's very unique and the fact that oromo has the same names in their abtirsi is very interesting and it needs to be researched. We need to accept who we are . Any Somali with few brain cells knows that our ancestors didn't cross the the ocean.

We are not related to oromo, you want to humiliate beesha isaaq ninyahow, I am starting to think you are sheegato

FK OFF.

I don't know how authentic this is, but I always laugh at how arrogant some somalis are in regards to them potentially being related to a nation they've bordered for centuries. As if they're aren't from the same poor, war torn region of the world. As if their clan is of significance in the sight of Allaah the creator of all nations who won't ask about your clan, but about your/our deeds. If Allah wills, I much rather be a ''lowly Galla" in paradise than a Somali in hell who went there because he didn't pray, or because he oppressed others, or killed many fellow Muslims unjustly or etc. Surely Kibr will lead to the path of doom, and humility leads to good.


As if their being Somali, or Isaac or whatever clan, is going to give them special privileges on the day of judgement. As if Allah will grant them vip instant access to jannah simply because they're Isaac or Ogaden or whatever clan. An Isaac can just as easily be thrown into Jahannam as an Oromo, habeshi, Arab, Turk, etc.
An Isaac or Ogaden or marehan will not benefit from their clan when they're questioned by Allah and that's all that truly matters to the wise one. Everything else shall perish and you won't benefit when benefit is truly desperately needed, from your clan or ethnicity.

GameChanger wrote: Tue Feb 21, 2023 7:15 am

mahoka wrote: Mon Feb 20, 2023 7:26 pm

balwarama wrote: Mon Feb 20, 2023 4:46 am

Warya stop writing essays, you are galla oromo ya cagdheer. It’s why I used to cook you in jail ogaden

He has no historical stuff to back him and he is qouting Richard Burton which is laughable. It is like some random Somali going to the UK 100 years ago and in fact it was in Kenya he wrote that which is not even in Somalia.. It is like some random somali writting that the Anglo are not the real Anglo but the Welsh are Which is laughable because the Anglo are the real anglo whereas the Welsh are celtics and you claiming someone who is SAMAALE is not how does that logic work I am Samaale aka the so-called Berbers mentioned by Ibn Battuta. It is someone who doesn't know anything and no academia has taken his writtings serious as it was not based on anything and basically rejected. Example people like James Dahl who is well versed in Somali abtirsi and historical accounts knows that Kablalah is oromo but never included in his work in order to avoid backlash but just says instead that the Jeberti has no trace or is unknown to keep it diplomatic.

Whereas the Jeberti emerged out of the Galla Madow wars entirely. The Samaale's have done Mercy to these who converted first and took them as their brothers because they knew they couldn't assimilate if they don't change Abtirsi from the Galla and disassociate from the Galla. Haven't you noticed that on top of the Jeberti it is claimed that a Hiraab girl gave birth to them which both are incorrect but it was done so to assilimate them. So the first wave of converts could disassociate themselves with the later group who also converted but kept their abtirsi and genelogy lineage. Jeberti is the first wave of Galla Oromo who converted but the rest did a century later.

We aren't qouting some irrelevant rejected individual who has nothing of research but we are viewing this from multiple historical sources and the track record movement of people. Jeberti emerged post-Gaal Madow wars which is roughly 4-5 centuries ago.

It also shows that the Samaale's treated the Galla different then the Jareer plantation slaves and other cad cad nobles who settled there and they went to great lengths building mosques and even setting up a sultanate for them in Bale they were sympathetic towards them an saw them as distant relative who broke off from them centuries ago. Which also includes giving the Kablalah new lineage the samaale's had a bias towards the Galla Oromo once they defeated them because they looked like them and were distant relatives.

You are insane. So a 900-year-old clan, which did not originate in the Galbeed, is somehow Oromo.

Haven't you noticed that on top of the Jeberti it is claimed that a Hiraab girl gave birth to them which both are incorrect but it was done so to assilimate them.

Sxb, you don't know the first thing about the Daarood clan. The girl was Dir.


Jeberti is the first wave of Galla Oromo who converted but the rest did a century later.

You most definitely failed science class in high school.


It also shows that the Samaale's treated the Galla different then the Jareer plantation slaves and other cad cad nobles who settled there and they went to great lengths building mosques and even setting up a sultanate for them in Bale they were sympathetic towards them an saw them as distant relative who broke off from them centuries ago. Which also includes giving the Kablalah new lineage the samaale's had a bias towards the Galla Oromo once they defeated them because they looked like them and were distant relatives.

Now, this is pure stupidity.

Ghiklo wrote: Tue Feb 21, 2023 8:20 am

GameChanger wrote: Tue Feb 21, 2023 7:15 am

mahoka wrote: Mon Feb 20, 2023 7:26 pm
Warya stop writing essays, you are galla oromo ya cagdheer. It’s why I used to cook you in jail ogaden

He has no historical stuff to back him and he is qouting Richard Burton which is laughable. It is like some random Somali going to the UK 100 years ago and in fact it was in Kenya he wrote that which is not even in Somalia.. It is like some random somali writting that the Anglo are not the real Anglo but the Welsh are Which is laughable because the Anglo are the real anglo whereas the Welsh are celtics and you claiming someone who is SAMAALE is not how does that logic work I am Samaale aka the so-called Berbers mentioned by Ibn Battuta. It is someone who doesn't know anything and no academia has taken his writtings serious as it was not based on anything and basically rejected. Example people like James Dahl who is well versed in Somali abtirsi and historical accounts knows that Kablalah is oromo but never included in his work in order to avoid backlash but just says instead that the Jeberti has no trace or is unknown to keep it diplomatic.

Whereas the Jeberti emerged out of the Galla Madow wars entirely. The Samaale's have done Mercy to these who converted first and took them as their brothers because they knew they couldn't assimilate if they don't change Abtirsi from the Galla and disassociate from the Galla. Haven't you noticed that on top of the Jeberti it is claimed that a Hiraab girl gave birth to them which both are incorrect but it was done so to assilimate them. So the first wave of converts could disassociate themselves with the later group who also converted but kept their abtirsi and genelogy lineage. Jeberti is the first wave of Galla Oromo who converted but the rest did a century later.

We aren't qouting some irrelevant rejected individual who has nothing of research but we are viewing this from multiple historical sources and the track record movement of people. Jeberti emerged post-Gaal Madow wars which is roughly 4-5 centuries ago.

It also shows that the Samaale's treated the Galla different then the Jareer plantation slaves and other cad cad nobles who settled there and they went to great lengths building mosques and even setting up a sultanate for them in Bale they were sympathetic towards them an saw them as distant relative who broke off from them centuries ago. Which also includes giving the Kablalah new lineage the samaale's had a bias towards the Galla Oromo once they defeated them because they looked like them and were distant relatives.

You are insane. So a 900-year-old clan, which did not originate in the Galbeed, is somehow Oromo.

Haven't you noticed that on top of the Jeberti it is claimed that a Hiraab girl gave birth to them which both are incorrect but it was done so to assilimate them.

Sxb, you don't know the first thing about the Daarood clan. The girl was Dir.

Jeberti is the first wave of Galla Oromo who converted but the rest did a century later.

You most definitely failed science class in high school.


It also shows that the Samaale's treated the Galla different then the Jareer plantation slaves and other cad cad nobles who settled there and they went to great lengths building mosques and even setting up a sultanate for them in Bale they were sympathetic towards them an saw them as distant relative who broke off from them centuries ago. Which also includes giving the Kablalah new lineage the samaale's had a bias towards the Galla Oromo once they defeated them because they looked like them and were distant relatives.

Now, this is pure stupidity.

There was no recorded movements of Jeberti before Gaal Madow wars because they emerged out of it and no they are not 900 years old because the change of abtirsi occured like 400-500 years ago.

Jeberti is a ghost in academia or in the track record of peoples movements. Also the fact that they dwelled in the wilderness majority of the time doesn't help the case. They were eternal pastorals. Majority of them were Galla pastorals who assilimated.

Jeberti could have possibly not landed from the sky? and still be full cushitic something will always not add up and also no Somali will change abtirsi as that is considered holy in the horn but there is only one answer which you won't like but nonetheless a ground reality