Is Xawaadle really Layl Kase?

[Ghiklo]

A Xawaadle test taker has done a medium-density Y-Chromosome DNA test (Y37) and has come out with E-Y18637, making him paternally thousands of years removed from the Leelkase. So, no they are not related.

Interesting. I haven't seen any Xawaadle genetic results. Is it only 1 individual? I think it is best to wait until at least 3 Xawaadle individuals before making any kind of preliminary conjuncture based on pattern.

Hawaadle shares same DNA closters as HG, Duduble and other central Somali groups meaning they are in reality brothers and their claims are truthful. They are Samaale

Not really, Ugaaslabes, Madhibaans, Arabs, Raxanweyns, and some HJs are in the same cluster. That E-Y18637 result only rules out a connection with Daaroods, let alone Leelkases. Although, it would be interesting to see more Xawaadle results.

[GameChanger]

Interesting. I haven't seen any Xawaadle genetic results. Is it only 1 individual? I think it is best to wait until at least 3 Xawaadle individuals before making any kind of preliminary conjuncture based on pattern.

Hawaadle shares same DNA closters as HG, Duduble and other central Somali groups meaning they are in reality brothers and their claims are truthful. They are Samaale

Not really Ugaaslabes, Madhibaans, Arabs, Raxanweyns, and some HJs are in the same cluster. That E-Y18637 result only rules out a connection with Daaroods, let alone Leelkases. Although, it would be interesting to see more Xawaadle results.

I am confident with more tests that the central plain of Somalia will closter closely HG, Duduble, Hawaadle and others in the central plain all the way to Mogadishu and Shabelleha dhexe

[Gubbet]

Ghiklo, have you seen any tests from Reer Ayaanle of Cayr? Not all Cayr, but reer Ayaanle?

[Ghiklo]

A Xawaadle test taker has done a medium-density Y-Chromosome DNA test (Y37) and has come out with E-Y18637, making him paternally thousands of years removed from the Leelkase. So, no they are not related.

Interesting. I haven't seen any Xawaadle genetic results. Is it only 1 individual? I think it is best to wait until at least 3 Xawaadle individuals before making any kind of preliminary conjuncture based on pattern.

It's just one guy but he has been grouped with Abgaals and HGs according to his Y-STR results. Y-STRs are a bit of a coin toss, though. So he might form a Xawaadle-specific E-Y18637 subclade instead of coming under the main Hawiye subclade.

[Ghiklo]

Ghiklo, have you seen any tests from Reer Ayaanle of Cayr? Not all Cayr, but reer Ayaanle?

Nah, only seen Xasan Samadoorte results.

[GameChanger]

The E-FT77328 Story

"E-FT77328's paternal line was formed when it branched off from the ancestor E-BY192465 and the rest of mankind around 450 BCE."
"The man who is the most recent common ancestor of this line is estimated to have been born around 1000 CE."
So 1450 years is the time elapsed between E-FT77328 and its ancestral E-BY192465.

" A large number can suggest a small population size or a bottleneck, causing only one lineage to survive for a long time".

I am not sure how accurate Abtirsi is but if my interpretation is correct, it seems that, after Mahamuud "Daame"{..}, only Madable "Diintawaaq" survived and he had had two sons Hiraab and Muhudiin.
*Hawiye->Gorgaate->Mahamuud "Daame"->{Raage->Baraxow->Sariire->Berdaale-> Abkaal->Madable"Diintawaaq"}->Hiraab->Madarki'is "Habar Gidir"
*Hawiye->Gorgaate->Mahamuud "Daame"->{Raage->Baraxow->Sariire->Berdaale->Abkaal-> Madable"Diintawaaq"}->Hiraab->Mudulood->Darandoole->Osman->Ali"Abgaal"
*Hawiye->Gorgaate->Mahamuud "Daame"->{Raage->Baraxow->Sariire->Berdaale->Abkaal->Madable"Diintawaaq"->Muhudiin->Samaale->Meyle->Mahamed->Hawaadle

E-BY192465 "Madable "Diintawaaq" is the ancestor of at least 2 descendant lineages known as E-FT77328 and 1 yet unnamed lineage.

If E-BY192465 is Madable "Diintawaaq" then
1) E-FT77328->is Hiraab and
2)yet unnamed lineage-> might be (Muhudin ): i think the Bay Guy can be Hawaadle?

1) E-FT77328 "Hiraab" has atleast four sons:

1a)E-Y177088 is Mudulood
1b) Y264505 is Madarki'is "Habar gidir"
1c)Martile"Shiikhaal" Hiraab Mahamuud=?
1d)Mohamud"Duduble" Hiraab Mahamuud=?

I just collected these names from the Internet and i do not know if they are in right order!

"But the story does not end here! As more people test, the history of this genetic lineage will be further refined."FTDNA

Y chromosome xawaadle closter in the majority will resemble these based on abtirsi and regional location

[Nomand]

it's a fake map. apparently.

dolow, beledxaawo, dhamase, ceelwaaq and geriley are all hawiye towns and cities according to that map.

[Ghiklo]

The E-FT77328 Story

"E-FT77328's paternal line was formed when it branched off from the ancestor E-BY192465 and the rest of mankind around 450 BCE."
"The man who is the most recent common ancestor of this line is estimated to have been born around 1000 CE."
So 1450 years is the time elapsed between E-FT77328 and its ancestral E-BY192465.

" A large number can suggest a small population size or a bottleneck, causing only one lineage to survive for a long time".

I am not sure how accurate Abtirsi is but if my interpretation is correct, it seems that, after Mahamuud "Daame"{..}, only Madable "Diintawaaq" survived and he had had two sons Hiraab and Muhudiin.
*Hawiye->Gorgaate->Mahamuud "Daame"->{Raage->Baraxow->Sariire->Berdaale-> Abkaal->Madable"Diintawaaq"}->Hiraab->Madarki'is "Habar Gidir"
*Hawiye->Gorgaate->Mahamuud "Daame"->{Raage->Baraxow->Sariire->Berdaale->Abkaal-> Madable"Diintawaaq"}->Hiraab->Mudulood->Darandoole->Osman->Ali"Abgaal"
*Hawiye->Gorgaate->Mahamuud "Daame"->{Raage->Baraxow->Sariire->Berdaale->Abkaal->Madable"Diintawaaq"->Muhudiin->Samaale->Meyle->Mahamed->Hawaadle

E-BY192465 "Madable "Diintawaaq" is the ancestor of at least 2 descendant lineages known as E-FT77328 and 1 yet unnamed lineage.

If E-BY192465 is Madable "Diintawaaq" then
1) E-FT77328->is Hiraab and
2)yet unnamed lineage-> might be (Muhudin ): i think the Bay Guy can be Hawaadle?

1) E-FT77328 "Hiraab" has atleast four sons:

1a)E-Y177088 is Mudulood
1b) Y264505 is Madarki'is "Habar gidir"
1c)Martile"Shiikhaal" Hiraab Mahamuud=?
1d)Mohamud"Duduble" Hiraab Mahamuud=?

I just collected these names from the Internet and i do not know if they are in right order!

"But the story does not end here! As more people test, the history of this genetic lineage will be further refined."FTDNA

Y chromosome xawaadle closter in the majority will resemble these based on abtirsi and regional location

Don't tell me you're Omaar from Anthrogenica.

The Bay guy is Raxanweyn, not Xawaadle. Anyway, the man who first carried the E-BY192465 mutation was born anywhere between 2600-1800 years ago. He can't possibly be the father of Hiiraab.

[GameChanger]

it's a fake map. apparently.

dolow, beledxaawo, dhamase, ceelwaaq and geriley are all hawiye towns and cities according to that map.

I agree with you I concede the map is indeed exaggerated and overly overdone because if Beledxaawo is different color then it needs ot be re-visited

[GameChanger]

Don't tell me you're Omaar from Anthrogenica.

I am not him but just qouted him

[Gubbet]

it's a fake map. apparently.

dolow, beledxaawo, dhamase, ceelwaaq and geriley are all hawiye towns and cities according to that map.

Whoever drew that "Abikar" map astounds me wallahi at how much animosity this individual carried towards Marehan. It literally bespeaks "silent rage" the extreme expression of resentment behind their map.

Luuq, Dollow, Beled-Xaawo, and Ceel-Waaq apparently not 4 of the biggest Marehan majority towns in Somalia



Shaatiloow, Hareeri Hoosle, Snet's Turbulence home village of Maalkarey, and Abdirashiid Janan's home village of Geedweyne are apparently not some of the biggest Marehan majority deegaan in Somalia as well;