Correction on the 3 dozen trucks which Madobe is replacing: it's replacement for what they lost in Janay Abdalla

[Murax]

Lol @ BestP,

Unless you’re Reer Ugaas, Talxe the rest of MX are guests of them in Baardheere yet you’re inserting your own Kenya Ku Nol Clan. Okay don’t want to hear it from me why not the Kenyans openly telling you the cold hard truth you deny:



“Kenya’s intervention radically changed the local Somali clan power dynamics and economic fortunes in Kismayu. The invasion uplifted the economic clout of certain Ogaden sub-clans and marginalised previously dominant clan elites, especially the Marehan and their allies.

Without the support of certain clans, Kenya was unable to push the war against al-Shabaab to Gedo and Central Juba. In 2016, al-Shabaab overran its base in El Adde, killing almost an entire company of troops. Hostile local clans in Gedo did not cooperate with Kenyans to thwart the swarming attack.
In turn, Kenyan forces hunted down youths from these clans as “terrorists”.


https://nation.africa/kenya/blogs-opini ... a--4164302


My goodness has these words not been told to you for years?

-Kenyan invasion made you
-Without MX even M Jubba could not be captured
-Madoobe is powerless to help KDF or anyone in a battle against AS. 13 years and he’s still besieged in Janay Cabdalle?


Bottom line this is the cold hard truth as zero
sum as it seems: Jubbaland will go Nowhere without MX leadership.

[theyuusuf143]

Yuusuf

The referendum part is a silly joke, isn't it?

Factually, no Dhulbaante would ever want to share a country with SNM . The 13 Garaads had cemented a historic unity of Dhulbaantev(sorry but no room for iidoor intrusion) .The bormardment of La'Anod further strengthened the decoupling of Dhulbaante hor-gals from the SNM regime.The Jama Siyads were the last to break away from SNM .Garaad Mideeye and Fihima Quuje successfully neutralized the outcast Mahad Cambaashe.

I also very much doubt about the strength of SNM militia having failed to launch a successful infantry offensive against La'Anod for two months. The dejected Iidoors are now playing defensive in the fortified Goojacade while many HY men are abandoning their positions .


Politically you lost the entire Dhulbaante clan.The selfless MJ support reinvented Hartinimo ( a counterbalance to Iidoorism). In addition, Deni and MJs seemingly have no issue with khatumo state that has close societal and economic relationship with Puntland.Above everything else HARTI unity is paramount in a world where Iidoorism and Irirism are posing a significant threat to the existence of the Darods.

As the infamous Faisal Ali Waraabe said, Cudud Ciidan iyo Mid Siyaasad toona meesha kuma haysaan

No UN backed referendum in somaliland means no peace in the entire Horn. If my Dir waqooyi peaple right for self determination is very light for you , expect me to send more of your harti waqooyi tol to their creator. And that's not all , in fact there will never be any DDS or Jubaland unity. You are the biggest looser in this war . Let the war begin . Why only harti join them.

[BestP]

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[BestP]

Murax

First, clan power in Kismayo was never static. Jees,Morgan, Hiiraale,Islamists all had their tenure at the helm of the port city.

Second, Ogaden will never allow Marehan dominated Jubaland and its very simple to cut off Gedo from Kismayo given the huge chunk of Ogaden land in between .In short, the admin of Kismayo will always be the admin of Jubaland.

As as matter of fact, Marehan has no vision for inclusive Jubaland and we ogadens have to keep this anarchic tribe at bay You are all Barre Hiraale !

[BestP]

YUUSUF

SNM colonels aka Calan-casta are the biggest nemesis of your so-called Somaliland project.

Below are my private chats with a fellow HJ sarkaal.He has woken up to the bitter reality ! the dude is cursing the incompetent SNM Askaris who are destroying their Qaranka from within

MUUSE IYO INA KAAHIN WAA CADAWGA UGU WAYN REER WUQOOYIGA IYO SOOMALI OO DHAN !


ADMITTING ISAAQ DESTRUCTIVE ROLE IN SOUTH SOMALIA PARTICULARLY XAMAR



SOMALILAND IS SACAD MUSE PROJECT ! THE COLONELS ARE NATIONAL DISASTERS!

[Hulkujir]

BestP I call cap !

90% of Somali inhabited land has your footprint are we in agreement ? I know for fact Northern Somalia, Central Somalia and parts of DDS OG presently don't live they once use to live there, and in some parts for a long time.

I pose this question to you, why are you not claiming those lands ?

[Gubbet]

The Sack of Serenli

At 7 p.m., while the askaris, or African soldiers, were settling down to evening meals, the Aulihan burst upon the British post. The Somalis set the surprised soldiers' huts on fire, and killed many of them as they fled the flames. By one account, 'Abdurrahman Mursaal himself is said to have shot Elliot beneath the ear with a revolver, and by another, to have donned Elliot's sun helmet after the raid. Dozens of Elliot's men were killed in the attack, while the survivors escaped across the Juba River to the nearby Italian post at Baardheere. The Somalis captured the company's maxim gun along with large quantities of arms and ammunition. For the next 18 months, 'Abdurrahman Mursaal's northern Aulihan, strengthened by the acquisition of British weapons, held free reign over much of Jubaland and threatened British rule in the NFD as well. Indeed, a British officer with service in the region would later describe the Ogaden, of whom the Aulihan were a part, as "one of the most formidable fighting tribes in Africa" because of their mobility with their ponies, remarkable endurance, and the skill with which they wielded their spears.

Marehan helped the colonial British to defeat Cawlyahan .In other words, Marehan were the stooges of the white man that defeated Hajji Abdirahman.

Aware of Marehan hostilities with the Aulihan, Barrett still thought the Marehan unreliable allies, and proposed that the British go it alone against the rebels. 104 It is significant to recognize that Barrett later changed his mind, and decided to take help where he could get it. In October, the colonel secretly ordered the Reer Farah Ogas section of the clan to send men to free his askaris from tending captured stock during operations against the Aulihan. 105 Thus, 800 Marehan would accompany the punitive expedition that defeated the northern Aulihan.

Daacad miyeey kaa tahay?

This is called obfuscation. Let's define this for you;



Do you understand what obfuscation is now? That is what you did.

Listen to me and listen to me very well. Bullshit doesn't work with me and your Somali sounds grown up enough for me to assume you are a mature man, let's have that reflected in "discussion' if you are going to engage other adults.

The issue arises from two very specific allegations you made in which I will quote again;

In the late 80s, Ogaden lost Southern Gedo to Marexaan then backed by the fading military regime.Faafaxdhuun,Baardheere were once Cawlyahan strongholds.

1. Siad Barre and his "military" allegedly took "Faafaxdhuun" from Ogaden for Marehan
   • I provided direct written report dated March 20, 1917 from British colonial governor of EAP ("Kenya colony") H. Conway Belfield that nullifies that mythology. In the report, it is made plain and clear 'Marehan seized Faafaxdhuun in November, 1916 or 5 months prior to the writing of the report
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     • Source: https ://books.google . com/books?id=eLA1AQAAMAAJ&pg=PA63
2. Siad Barre and his "military" allegedly took "Baardheere" from Ogaden for Marehan
   1. I provided direct Italian colonial records dated 1933 from a population statistics attempt titled "census." The "census" has a lot of things that seem problematic, but virtually every intellectual discussion of it has unanimously agreed the "urban" count produces the most "confidence" regarding the count. The urban locations were small, Somalis in urban settlement were small and easy to count, and the Italians had full control and access in the settlements. In it, Baardheere town in 1933 had 2X as much Marehan population than it did the rest of Darod combined, not just "Aulian."
      
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   2. Even more importantly, the administrative boundary of Italian Baardheere district is shown to not be interchangeable with the modern Baardheere district of Gedo.
      
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   3. In fact, the majority of Italian Baardheere district is today shared between the regions of Bay and Middle Jubba, respectively Diinsoor and Saakoow districts of today, with even modern Bu'aale and Afmadoow districtw containing some of old Italian Baardheere
      
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3. Those were your two specific allegations and they are both completely fact checked as false mythologizing using direct, 3rd party administrative records from the rulling authorities.
4. Marehan were "more than" Ogaden in Baardheere town even in 1933 and Marehan "seized" Faafaxdhuun in 'November 1916.

That is how to respond substantively and unambiguously to a point of contention. Do not try to gaslight me again in any discussion about anything because of your grievance towards "facts" and "evidence."

Wa sallam.

[Rebelxx222]

Even during the holy month of Ramadan, Gubbet doesn’t even try to restrain from lying subhanallah.

kuwii Ciil Qabo Cadaabta Gal

https://fb.watch/jv8zFGAwaI/?mibextid=qC1gEa

[Gubbet]

Even during the holy month of Ramadan, Gubbet doesn’t even try to restrain from lying subhanallah.

kuwii Ciil Qabo Cadaabta Gal

https://fb.watch/jv8zFGAwaI/?mibextid=qC1gEa

You are a snot-nosed brat. Really, you are a snot nosed brat.

All you do is WHINE, WHINE, WHINE and express venom towards people---because you "hate" 'facts and evidence.'

This is called "facts" and "evidence."

Facts and evidence kid, "facts" and "evidence."

You have neither but do have whining towards it and the people who champion it.

Grow up!

[Gubbet]

I also do apologize for my tone, but you do deserve it and it is a lot less harsh than what you have said about me. I truly dislike the negativity you implicate me in.

[BestP]

As of 1913, Lieutenant Francis Elliot( killed by Aulliahan in 1916 ) breifly explained the clan distribution in Jubaland.

The Marehan tribe occupy the north-east part in the neighbourhood of Serenleh and Dolo. From Italian territory they have emigrated into Jubaland during the last twenty years, and are still inclined to be turbulent. They are possessors of large numbers of camels, and of horses also in lesser number, but, unlike the Ogaden, they do not rear cattle extensively. Probably their numbers do not exceed 5000.

The Herti Somali occupy the coast and extend inland as far as the Deshek Wama. Of the three sub-tribes of the Herti, the Midjertein [Majeerteen] are the most numerous in Jubaland, while the Wasengeleh are but few in number and the Dolbahanta still remain to the east of the Juba. The Herti do business as traders as well as rear cattle. Their numbers are about 3000.

The Ogaden Somali are split up into five important sub-tribes are the Mohamed Zubeir, the Aulihan, the Abd Wak, the Abdallah, and the Magharbul. Two other sub-tribes are of less importance, namely, the Her Mohamed and the Habr Suliman. It is remarkable that the so-called Mad Mullah, Mohamed Abdullah Hassan, belongs to the very unimportant tribe of the Habr Suliman. Of the Ogaden in Jubaland the Mohamed Zubeir are the most influential and numerous. They occupy the Afmadu district as far south as the Deshek Wama, and own immense quantities of cattle. The Aulihan tribe frequent the district to the west and south of Serenleh. They are rich in camels as well as cattle, and the Juba river is their main water-supply.

Jubaland and Its Inhabitants
F. Elliott
The Geographical Journal, Vol. 41, No. 6 (Jun., 1913), pp. 554-561 (10 pages)



The punitive expedition (revenge for Francis Elliot) against Cawlyahan only dislodged Hajji Abdirahman and his fighting men and there is no enough evidence which suggest that in the space of 4 years 1913-1917) cawlyahan lost the entire Southern Gedo to Marehan particularly Faafaxdhuun.

The truth is, The Kacaan systematically displaced Cawlyahan from Gedo in the Absame-Marehan war in 1988.Faafaxdhuun was reer Afgaab territory and they are soon coming for it.

[BestP]

BestP I call cap !

90% of Somali inhabited land has your footprint are we in agreement ? I know for fact Northern Somalia, Central Somalia and parts of DDS OG presently don't live they once use to live there, and in some parts for a long time.

I pose this question to you, why are you not claiming those lands ?

You missed the point of discussion.

Marehan had seized Ogaden land in Gedo under the watch of Barre regime in 1988. They also breifly occupied the port city of Kismayo (a multi-clan hub faraway from Gedo )

On the other hand, Absame formed the present version of Jubaland.Though dysfunctional as a state when compared to Puntland or Somaliland, Absame are well aware of the wild greed of the Marehan to capture the entire region. Thus, Absame policy is to keep Marehan away from Jubbooyinka particularly Kismayo.

Any attempt of Marehan aggression in Jubaland will be considered an act of war against Absame and we shall deal with them accordingly

[Gubbet]

This is juvenile trolling.

The matter of "Siad Barre military took Faafaxdhuun and Baardheere" from Ogaden for Marehan factchecked by 1917 records from Governor Belfield in Nairobi and 1933 records from Governor della Somalia Italiana has 2X now seen a rebuttal without contention as to the facts of the issue.

The allegation is categorically dismissed on the grounds of false mythologizing for grievance making---possibly even originally designed as "disinformation" for the purposes of creating rebellion to Siad Barre govt by the SPM.

[Gubbet]

BestP I call cap !

90% of Somali inhabited land has your footprint are we in agreement ? I know for fact Northern Somalia, Central Somalia and parts of DDS OG presently don't live they once use to live there, and in some parts for a long time.

I pose this question to you, why are you not claiming those lands ?

You missed the point of discussion.

Marehan had seized Ogaden land in Gedo under the watch of Barre regime in 1988. They also breifly occupied the port city of Kismayo (a multi-clan hub faraway from Gedo )

On the other hand, Absame formed the present version of Jubaland.Though dysfunctional as a state when compared to Puntland or Somaliland, Absame are well aware of the wild greed of the Marehan to capture the entire region. Thus, Absame policy is to keep Marehan away from Jubbooyinka particularly Kismayo.

Any attempt of Marehan aggression in Jubaland will be considered an act of war against Absame and we shall deal with them accordingly

You sound like someone else who commented in this topic. I did suspect it.

[theyuusuf143]

@Bestplaya


Wax alaale wixii nalaku eedayn jirayba hadaanu bilaabayna. In badan baad odhan jirteen isaaq baa soomali qasaya anagoo masaajidka Ku jirna. Imikaanu toos u qasayna yadoon wayso noo dhawrnayn.