You would assume that it is HSM and Ismail Omar Guelleh who are laying siege on Laascaanod and not Muuse Biixi

[Khalid Ali]

Listen he didn’t die a martyr death he fled the battle field haji sudi died in taleeex isaaq. Habarjeclo dervish man the man who was with the mahdist introduced the duub cad and all. Quiet the smart fella Any way sayid siigeyste died in immeey in Ethiopia as a refugee he fled from his own wife naado and sister. The Oromo had a field day with both of these ladies the arusa Oromo he died then in imeey of influenza. So never a martyr death. Any way ur right there are poems sayid siigeyste wrongfully were attributed to him. He never said. We’re made up to bash isaaq also there were allot of poems tribally motivated in spite of isaaq I don’t mind these all in all the four first years were only battles against the English after that it was. Just a gang who were stealing camels . Any way if u want a martyr then it’ sheikh Bashir he led a 8 year rebellion against the British the British later hanged him this was in the 1930s if any one deserves a statue is that guy for he died a real martyr death

Also it’s quiet the thing that u mention the link between shabaab and dervishes they were indeed exactly the same except the dervishes were camel thief’s and shabaab steals ur money by taxing ur and if u don’t pay they blow u up how ever their ideology is exactly the same. Pure evil filth takfir and stuff u do know Ahmed godane the late emir of shabaab he used idolise sayid siigeyste because of is jihadism and irhaabism I wouldn’t be surprised if we have statues for godane in xamar in hundred years time . Hawiye way ka surtooowda they always add aan u dhalaan they honer them maybe we willl see Boqor burhaan also a statue in xamar of him build by hawiye inside Mogadishu after 100 years

[GameChanger]

Lmao at Siigeystee but anyways I don't think Somalia will exist in 100 years from now hence I believe our end station is when WW3 starts. Which will be around this half century and that is for another thread another day.. Besides I don't put much weight into statues they are irrelevant in reality even a business man could get one for himself it is that irrelevant

[skywalker25]

This mentality wallahi needs to go and it is a fallacy.. Idoors have single handily attacked one morning and caused mayhem nobody has aided them but themselves and if I see anyone laying blame on Gulleh or HSM I am gonna thru a hissy fit. I have seen it circulating online and it is not true. Muuse Bixii seems to have alot of lobbiest in many places but people shouldn't attach Gulleh iyo HSM to the incident of LA it is Haram wallahi to say that and they have no dog in the fight.. OD will agree with this

OD, is the source of this accustaion. Sxb, you seem like a nice guy, so let me break down the Qurjile mindset. These guys beat the British to save the iddors from becoming christians, the single handed built the Somali state. They have statue in your Capital and they were Aweynes favoured foot soldiers. Who are you to even speak to them.

As for las anood its free today (not sure when i wasn't, - od will have to clear that up - and the iidoor beggars have been cleansed. They are being chased all the way to Burco. The iidoor have been forced by Dhubahnte to accept the blue flag...

Sxb, what's your agenda against SMCX? You called for "Hawiye" to remove his monument in Xamar in another thread. I know the Kacaan revisionised some of the dervish history but is that not just as wrong as the "controversialisation" of his history too. He was not a mad man on a mission to fight the world but he was a calculated scholar with a sophisticated political network of contacts in Germany and Turkey, he had other clans in his camp which without it he would have had no legitimacy, but he may have erred like any other mujtahid, for that he gets two rewards. Some Isaaq go as far as bringing up "Xasan Barsane" should have a monument, to create tribal sentiment against the Kacaan's "shortcomings" as if that diminishes anything from either of them. Watch some of the latest videos from Mohamed Haji Ingiriis. Sayidka and his subclan are from the south which he spent time and learnt there, the scholars disagreed over fighting 'gaalcad' before 'gaalmadow'. Each have their reasons, but the Sayid went for the former and with that he fought against the most powerful of the 'gaalcad' the English the most. For that reason Somalis always honour the strength and capabilities of their enemy so by that honour he is ofcourse deserving of great praise.

Nothing you have posted is of anything of note. The mad mullah was Ogaden who wanted to fight the british, instead of the habashi occupying his own people or the italians who were occupying his Majerteens cousins. For him to decide I want to free the Iidoors we have been fighting over wells for the past 100's from their british masters, is just silly. You may say but he was a religious scholar and not a tribalist. His poems will tell you otheriwse. So why does a tribalist man decide rather than help his own tribe he will go and save the iidoors he hates. The whole doesnt add up.

[ReturnOfMariixmaan]

I agree with you on some points but not all of it example. I think people kinda let it go because he got martyred and disrespecting martyrs is bad in our culture but here is the thing tho I personally don't have anything against him and believe he should keep it but however there are some fake pomes cited against the Idoors which makes things asinine. My only issue is that he made qabiil motivated poems and it is not something a religious figure should do which brings forth some controvers example wallahi you won't see modern day Al-Shabaab even make tribal motivated poems they look down upon that and makes what they believe is clean to becomee dirty.

As for Hassan Barsane he will definitely have his own in due time and honestly personally everyone who died a martyr during the colonial era deserves a statue without bias even if the idoor have a martyrs they should bring them forth and should be contention for statue.. If an idoor fills a legit complain against him I would remove him and citing these poems being qabiil nature and motivated he should be removed. I do also recognize that majority of the tales in regards to the idoors were fake accounts.. As for me personally I have no dog fight against him but the only issues is the qabiil motivated poems it truly does take a dig at his image

Ur right

[Gubbet]

I am not a Sayid fan or of him personally. However, Sayid fought for 20+ years. He defeated the British in multiple faceoffs. He killed Officers and commanders like Corfield, he destroyed Africans and Indian Sikhs/Punjabi forces brought from across the empire most notably in the single most disastrous battle ever faced by the British Empire in East Africa @ Gumburu, he built a fort that was only penetrated by one of the 1st uses of air attacks, he was sought in alliance by the Shariffs of Mecca, the Ottoman Empire, and he was a mentor and deeply admired by the Ethiopian Emporer Lij Iyasu so much so that fear of his conversion to Islam saw him controversially deposed; he impacted British Somaliland, Majerteenya, Obbia, the Ogaden, the Benadir, British Jubbaland and the British East Africa Protectorate even causing the Italians and the British to seriously consider seeding him a "Dervish State" territory from parts of modern day Sool, Nugaal, Mudug, and Doollo Region.

Meanwhile---and this is strictly objective history---Sh Barsane was involved in a "2 day" mutiny (altogether between start of mutiny and capture was a single week) which---I am stating objective history---was entirely about refusal to abide by the Italian "abolition of slavery" freeing all the former slaves in the Shabelle Valley, in Buulomareerta, etc.

Yes, labadooduba waa taaariikh, taariikhduse ma sinna.

The fact that the Sayid was Darod is a correlation to why he is a Statue; the causation was his singularly, incomparable place in Somali history.

[Sauron]

The mad mullah was a fraud and a coward, and he died a coward too.

faqash revisionisms will not work, just take a look at the pinned thread by mujahid xplaya, it's a good read.

[skywalker25]

Sayid fought for 20+ years. He defeated the British in multiple faceoffs. He killed Officers and commanders like Corfield, he destroyed Africans and Indian Sikhs/Punjabi forces brought from across the empire most notably in the single most disastrous battle ever faced by the British Empire in East Africa @ Gumburu, he built a fort that was only penetrated by one of the 1st uses of air attacks, he was sought in alliance by the Shariffs of Mecca, the Ottoman Empire, and he was a mentor and deeply admired by the Ethiopian Emporer Lij Iyasu so much so that fear of his conversion to Islam saw him controversially deposed; he impacted British Somaliland, Majerteenya, Obbia, the Ogaden, the Benadir, British Jubbaland and the British East Africa Protectorate even causing the Italians and the British to seriously consider seeding him a "Dervish State" territory from parts of modern day Sool, Nugaal, Mudug, and Doollo Region.

Meanwhile---and this is strictly objective history---Sh Barsane was involved in a "2 day" mutiny (altogether between start of mutiny and capture was a single week) which---I am stating objective history---was entirely about refusal to abide by the Italian "abolition of slavery" freeing all the former slaves in the Shabelle Valley, in Buulomareerta, etc.

Yes, labadooduba waa taaariikh, taariikhduse ma sinna.

The fact that the Sayid was Darod is a correlation to why he is a Statue; the causation was his singularly, incomparable place in Somali history.

This is the nonsense his disciples put together. What the supporters of the Mullah supporters want us to agree with is like today; Barre Hiraale deciding he is going to fight the the french in djabouti to free the locals while his own people are being persecuted in Kismayo.

A tribalist Ogaden man, decides he wants to free the Isaaq - a tribe they have been at war with, and fight a super power in the british. When his own tribe is under ethiopian occupation and the majerteen italians. Both closer to his heart and weaker than the british. Someone make the maths add up.

[ReturnOfMariixmaan]

I am not a Sayid fan or of him personally. However, Sayid fought for 20+ years. He defeated the British in multiple faceoffs. He killed Officers and commanders like Corfield, he destroyed Africans and Indian Sikhs/Punjabi forces brought from across the empire most notably in the single most disastrous battle ever faced by the British Empire in East Africa @ Gumburu, he built a fort that was only penetrated by one of the 1st uses of air attacks, he was sought in alliance by the Shariffs of Mecca, the Ottoman Empire, and he was a mentor and deeply admired by the Ethiopian Emporer Lij Iyasu so much so that fear of his conversion to Islam saw him controversially deposed; he impacted British Somaliland, Majerteenya, Obbia, the Ogaden, the Benadir, British Jubbaland and the British East Africa Protectorate even causing the Italians and the British to seriously consider seeding him a "Dervish State" territory from parts of modern day Sool, Nugaal, Mudug, and Doollo Region.

Meanwhile---and this is strictly objective history---Sh Barsane was involved in a "2 day" mutiny (altogether between start of mutiny and capture was a single week) which---I am stating objective history---was entirely about refusal to abide by the Italian "abolition of slavery" freeing all the former slaves in the Shabelle Valley, in Buulomareerta, etc.

Yes, labadooduba waa taaariikh, taariikhduse ma sinna.

The fact that the Sayid was Darod is a correlation to why he is a Statue; the causation was his singularly, incomparable place in Somali history.

You know the dawn prophecy of 3 Mohameds. Religion was always used by the elites to control the masses to protect their interests not the 99%… You know the answer

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=RDaKl ... playnext=1

[Gubbet]

I am bored by younger generation Somalis savvy enough to utilize information technology who still subscribe to false clan mythologizon.

If you can use this forum, you can read and utilize info tech tools available for accessing knowledge.

I don't care what your opinion is of the Sayid. The length, breadth, and impact of his history is such he is one of the very few Somalis to have left "Somali control" of his legacy to he an internationally administered equity. His legacy doesn't even belong to Somalis anymore. It is an "internationally" held legacy.

Haji Suudi, Barsane, and all the other figures named here besides the Sayid were historically relevant men---that's why we are referencing their name---but the very fact tht we Somalis still retain control over their legacy precludes even being comparable to the Sayid.

Having the world impose itself then contest control of a legacy of man with his locally involved group is the ultimate affirmation of "historically very important."

You don't need to be Darod to accept that nor Isaaq to deny it.

It is objective fact.

[ReturnOfMariixmaan]

I am bored by younger generation Somalis savvy enough to utilize information technology who still subscribe to false clan mythologizon.

If you can use this forum, you can read and utilize info tech tools available for accessing knowledge.

I don't care what your opinion is of the Sayid. The length, breadth, and impact of his history is such he is one of the very few Somalis to have left "Somali control" of his legacy to he an internationally administered equity. His legacy doesn't even belong to Somalis anymore. It is an "internationally" held legacy.

Haji Suudi, Barsane, and all the other figures named here besides the Sayid were historically relevant men---that's why we are referencing their name---but the very fact tht we Somalis still retain control over their legacy precludes even being comparable to the Sayid.

Having the world impose itself then contest control of a legacy of man with his locally involved group is the ultimate affirmation of "historically very important."

You don't need to be Darod to accept that nor Isaaq to deny it.

It is objective fact.

The fact remains, they all ganged up on me. After after that is cowardice not being blue blood

[Gubbet]

Not you, the two before you

[ReturnOfMariixmaan]

Not you, the two before you

Adduunyo waa hooska labadiisa gelin

[OwQariib]

OD, is the source of this accustaion. Sxb, you seem like a nice guy, so let me break down the Qurjile mindset. These guys beat the British to save the iddors from becoming christians, the single handed built the Somali state. They have statue in your Capital and they were Aweynes favoured foot soldiers. Who are you to even speak to them.

As for las anood its free today (not sure when i wasn't, - od will have to clear that up - and the iidoor beggars have been cleansed. They are being chased all the way to Burco. The iidoor have been forced by Dhubahnte to accept the blue flag...

Sxb, what's your agenda against SMCX? You called for "Hawiye" to remove his monument in Xamar in another thread. I know the Kacaan revisionised some of the dervish history but is that not just as wrong as the "controversialisation" of his history too. He was not a mad man on a mission to fight the world but he was a calculated scholar with a sophisticated political network of contacts in Germany and Turkey, he had other clans in his camp which without it he would have had no legitimacy, but he may have erred like any other mujtahid, for that he gets two rewards. Some Isaaq go as far as bringing up "Xasan Barsane" should have a monument, to create tribal sentiment against the Kacaan's "shortcomings" as if that diminishes anything from either of them. Watch some of the latest videos from Mohamed Haji Ingiriis. Sayidka and his subclan are from the south which he spent time and learnt there, the scholars disagreed over fighting 'gaalcad' before 'gaalmadow'. Each have their reasons, but the Sayid went for the former and with that he fought against the most powerful of the 'gaalcad' the English the most. For that reason Somalis always honour the strength and capabilities of their enemy so by that honour he is ofcourse deserving of great praise.

Nothing you have posted is of anything of note. The mad mullah was Ogaden who wanted to fight the british, instead of the habashi occupying his own people or the italians who were occupying his Majerteens cousins. For him to decide I want to free the Iidoors we have been fighting over wells for the past 100's from their british masters, is just silly. You may say but he was a religious scholar and not a tribalist. His poems will tell you otheriwse. So why does a tribalist man decide rather than help his own tribe he will go and save the iidoors he hates. The whole doesnt add up.

The British were the biggest threat to the Horn of Africa. Ethiopia who could be kept at bay were sending letters to Queen Victoria to deal with Somalis as early as when the British were sub controlling the Egyptian and Zanzibar interests in our country from Aden and your forefathers had fought them in Berbera long before others knew of them. They knew war and co-founded the halgan in Burco whether you like to claim it or not. Post 1969 tribalism will not readjust reflections of the past. Isaaq was calling for the independence and betterment of Somalis in Aden, Cardiff, Bombay, Djbouti and in Kenya in the earliest decades of the 20th century all in the name of unity.

[skywalker25]

The British are long gone, but guess who is still here today? Yes, you guessed it our Ethiopian friends who are now at the final stages of putting any notion of a Somali state in the history books..

I answer your question, you answer mine.

if we can clearly see today Somalis are driven by tribalism. Would our deeply tribalist forum user Volatge go and leave his tol to the mercy of the Ethiopians to come and fight to free Isaaq in Somaliland. No he would never. That's the short and end of it.
I understand Somalis want a hero but he was no hero sxb. Even Godane is a better option because he did not do tribalism or take another mans wife by force.

[Gubbet]

You are making it seem like this was some regular Bah Geri guy born in Higloolay and Dhanbacaad in between Dhoobawayn and Shilaabo!

Guy was born among his Dhulbahante reer abti, was reared with them, and where he was born, raised, and eventually made his destiny are all in the same place---today's Sool Region.

Dude said "leave his tol." He never left anywhere to go be in Taleex and Jidbaale, that's the valley he was born, bred, married, and did everything!

As for "deeply tribalist." Tuke cambaarleh baad u tahay!