100+ MPs tailer motion against PM; 1st in history a PM's clan, not the Pres, table successful motion against sitting PM

[Murax]

There is no such a thing as darod. And ogadeen and mj being at each other throats is good for mx. We mx gain absolutely nothing from a MJ PM. He will be number 1 enemy of mx. So I would much rather have a useless "pm" like hamse then an MJ.

Don't forget it was MJ PM plus puntland and somaliland that went against khatuumo becoming a FMS. So this darod kool aid mx have been recently drinking is nothing but desperate MJ using that card.

Where was darodism when farmaajo was president. Both ogadeen and majerteen fully joined badbaado qaran against a darod president.

Ask yourself this question what exactly would an MJ PM change? You also have to consider it will be culusow who brings the new PM forward for approval by parliament. You see MJ have everything to gain and nothing to lose. While mx have nothing to gain.

I have to give a hand to MJ propaganda it is very sophisticated. No mx is asking themselves what do we gain? They are all consumed with this fake darodosm.

As always you brother Nomand you keep it 100%. Let’s keep it real THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS DAAROOD politically. Absolutely none, zero. I will take Hamze 100% over a Deni, or Deni cloan. This motion is led by disgruntled MJ with support from UAE who are apparently telling XSM that Puntland boycotting the Gov is not good for you. As history proved Puntland would be the biggest enemy to Daarood by fighting SSC, as well as being an enemy to MX.

[Hulkujir]

Walahi MX waxaa ku dhex jiro dad xanuunsan, why is it any of our concern which Kab iyo Lax is PM, we just had the President, dee Daroodnimo hadee jirto shanta Darood mid kale halaga soo xulo, Leelkase, Awrtable, hadalkaas waan ku racsanahay, balse Kab iyo lax is rifayso maxaa inaga galay.

[Gubbet]

There is no such a thing as darod. And ogadeen and mj being at each other throats is good for mx. We mx gain absolutely nothing from a MJ PM. He will be number 1 enemy of mx. So I would much rather have a useless "pm" like hamse then an MJ.

Don't forget it was MJ PM plus puntland and somaliland that went against khatuumo becoming a FMS. So this darod kool aid mx have been recently drinking is nothing but desperate MJ using that card.

Where was darodism when farmaajo was president. Both ogadeen and majerteen fully joined badbaado qaran against a darod president.

Ask yourself this question what exactly would an MJ PM change? You also have to consider it will be culusow who brings the new PM forward for approval by parliament. You see MJ have everything to gain and nothing to lose. While mx have nothing to gain.

I have to give a hand to MJ propaganda it is very sophisticated. No mx is asking themselves what do we gain? They are all consumed with this fake darodosm.

I would rather an MJ than HAG as both President and Prime Minister---because that is what we have now.

This government is "HSM 's daughter" as Foreign Minister.

We need check and balance.

[Murax]

Gubbet you’re one of the realest ones I know, and a true legend.

But your thinking, and the many MX who are think like you are why we are destined to be bottom feeders in Somali politics. You are spewing complete doqoniko. I pray what you are hoping for doesn’t happen because I want good for my Tol.


DANTAADA GARO This nonsense ‘HAG’ stuff you talk about did Deni have any issue allying with HAG to sideline MX? Somehow in a stroke of luck HSM didn’t reward him/Pland yet you want Beesha to be right back to square one???


If Beesha are smart they would tell Hassan keep your PM our focus is Jubbaland. If what you are proposing happens, and I come to find out our 68 IQ politicians supporter it walee I will never spend a second wasting time in MX politics again.

[skywalker25]

So after the Ogaden assisting them in Las anood, by sending them 100’s liyu polise over the border, which then forced the central government to disband them. Not to mention all the refugee’s from las anood are being housed in JigJiga. This is the thank you they get.

This is something truly to behold. The hunger for power knows no brother, ally or friend so far as the Harti (Mj) are concerned.

[Murax]

With the exception of Dhulbahante rest of Darood are ABSOLUTELY ZERO different to me than any other Somali clan i.e D&M, Dir, Hawiye. Yacni I don’t hate or love them, amaanka aan ku dadaalno ka Soomali ahaan that’s all.

[Gubbet]

Murax,

MJ is the one who just risked everything to come to the aid of SSC. Do you know how risk averse MJ are? Do you think they are like MX cowboys iska daba cararo? MJ is a very, very risk averse clan and for them to do something like their intervention it is a profound expression of 'selflessness' probably the single highest standard for judging it within MJ.

Another thing---there is not a single MX person or even group that has more axe to grind against MJ than myself or my reer Ceelgaab Reer Siyaad extended family on account of the Kulmis riding on Ethiopian tanks who killed my extended relatives and dispossessed us of my very grandfather's birth village up this day---but you know why I have never really had or even felt an serious or even relevant grudge? Because of the views that have been expressed in this topic. MJ and MX are "dameer iyo dabadiisa" in terms of whatever is between them. I have never felt that MX necessarily had "gar," i.e. waa laga gardaranyahay. There is no gar and gardarro between these two---in this relationship they are both vindictive little assholes who are equally rotten to each other.

I am bored with it.

Substantively and policy wise, getting rid of Hamza is bringing power sharing back to equilibrium. It reintroduces the missing 3rd factor between HSM and Speaker Robber Baron. It means making NISA and Mahad Salaad accountable. It means reinstituting shared oversight over aid, accountability for diversifying the ownership, the running, and even participation in Somalia's government.

Hamza represents nothing and has 0 relevance to government now. He chose to forfeit it himself.

So in the context of HSM as both President and PM, as far as I am concerned, that seat is vacant and requires a Darod occupant.

Marehan is not the only Darod representative in Somalia and what matters to him as Darod far more extensive than just Kismaayo and Madoobe.

This is not even good feel or emotion, this practical reality. HAG sees and treats YOU as 'Darod.' Well in that case, I need a damn Darod occupying that seat looking out for many of our shared interests including even partly as a result of HAG have a single 'Darod' policy against us all lumped together.

[Kees70]

So after the Ogaden assisting them in Las anood, by sending them 100’s liyu polise over the border, which then forced the central government to disband them. Not to mention all the refugee’s from las anood are being housed in JigJiga. This is the thank you they get.

This is something truly to behold. The hunger for power knows no brother, ally or friend so far as the Harti (Mj) are concerned.

Lol, Ogadens have indeed been used and now discarded after their usefulness has ended.

It's unfortunate for ogadens that they have lost tremendous power in DDSI for helping their Harti cousins in Sool against Somaliland and it's their same Harti cousins today who are now conspiring to overthrow their Hamza from his PM post and claim his chair.

It very sad that ogadens have been used and abused by their fellow darood kins, majerteen greed knows no bound.

[ReturnOfMariixmaan]

Murax,

MJ is the one who just risked everything to come to the aid of SSC. Do you know how risk averse MJ are? Do you think they are like MX cowboys iska daba cararo? MJ is a very, very risk averse clan and for them to do something like their intervention it is a profound expression of 'selflessness' probably the single highest standard for judging it within MJ.

Another thing---there is not a single MX person or even group that has more axe to grind against MJ than myself or my reer Ceelgaab Reer Siyaad extended family on account of the Kulmis riding on Ethiopian tanks who killed my extended relatives and dispossessed us of my very grandfather's birth village up this day---but you know why I have never really had or even felt an serious or even relevant grudge? Because of the views that have been expressed in this topic. MJ and MX are "dameer iyo dabadiisa" in terms of whatever is between them. I have never felt that MX necessarily had "gar," i.e. waa laga gardaranyahay. There is no gar and gardarro between these two---in this relationship they are both vindictive little assholes who are equally rotten to each other.

I am bored with it.

Substantively and policy wise, getting rid of Hamza is bringing power sharing back to equilibrium. It reintroduces the missing 3rd factor between HSM and Speaker Robber Baron. It means making NISA and Mahad Salaad accountable. It means reinstituting shared oversight over aid, accountability for diversifying the ownership, the running, and even participation in Somalia's government.

Hamza represents nothing and has 0 relevance to government now. He chose to forfeit it himself.

So in the context of HSM as both President and PM, as far as I am concerned, that seat is vacant and requires a Darod occupant.

Marehan is not the only Darod representative in Somalia and what matters to him as Darod far more extensive than just Kismaayo and Madoobe.

This is not even good feel or emotion, this practical reality. HAG sees and treats YOU as 'Darod.' Well in that case, I need a damn Darod occupying that seat looking out for many of our shared interests including even partly as a result of HAG have a single 'Darod' policy against us all lumped together.

Exactly, we might hate each other. But nobody likes to see his kinsmen killed

[Murax]

Gubbet you need to sit down with some old school MX Odayaal who have real Government experience, with a deep understanding of the intricacies. I’m not talking about the Starbucks variety. The MJ political class since 1969 have it as part of their doctrine to shield MX away from any position period, and keep them at bay. You say HAG see me as Darood so what? Your focus should be nothing but Jubbaland l, how Hawiye view us in Xamar is none of your concern. Infact you are probably better off being a under the radar Darood in Xamar because the most intense competition is between Hawiye.


You mention MJ coming to the aid it SSC how is that heroic? This would be the equivalent of say Hawiye all out blitzing our neighbors in Jubooyinka Cawlyahan in a all out war and MX standing by. Secondly Dhulbahante are a part of Puntland. 3rd part of it is survival, did Somaliland not many times threaten Garowe?


Hawiyenimo exists, Daroodnimo you’re assuming because you have one the other has to exist. HSM gave HG everything while Deni cooperated with HAG to put MX in the most deplorable political situation. A situation that if you’re thinking prevails will become a permanent status quo!

[Gubbet]

Murax, I am afraid by learned experience, I treat 'older Somali' viewpoints strictly or merely as a subjective perspective that I need to 'prove' AGAINST the evidence.

Older Somali viewpoints is not evidence.

Marehan, Majerten, Hawiye, Isaaq, Rahanwayn---they all have their own subjective perspective and I have even found the Marehan oral perspective is not a tad different in veracity and contextualization limitations than any single one of the other perspectives.

Please read this recent topic of mine concerning this very subject and notice how far beyond both before and after the 60's I framed my reference;

https://www.somalinet.com/forums/viewto ... 0&t=409312

[Ghiklo]

Gubbet you need to sit down with some old school MX Odayaal who have real Government experience, with a deep understanding of the intricacies. I’m not talking about the Starbucks variety. The MJ political class since 1969 have it as part of their doctrine to shield MX away from any position period, and keep them at bay. You say HAG see me as Darood so what? Your focus should be nothing but Jubbaland l, how Hawiye view us in Xamar is none of your concern. Infact you are probably better off being a under the radar Darood in Xamar because the most intense competition is between Hawiye.


You mention MJ coming to the aid it SSC how is that heroic? This would be the equivalent of say Hawiye all out blitzing our neighbors in Jubooyinka Cawlyahan in a all out war and MX standing by. Secondly Dhulbahante are a part of Puntland. 3rd part of it is survival, did Somaliland not many times threaten Garowe?


Hawiyenimo exists, Daroodnimo you’re assuming because you have one the other has to exist. HSM gave HG everything while Deni cooperated with HAG to put MX in the most deplorable political situation. A situation that if you’re thinking prevails will become a permanent status quo!

How will Sade dominate Jubbaland when you are currently at odds with even yourselves? People usually walk before they run, lol. This is nothing short of delusional. A HAG President will ultimately arm and supply Giirgiir clans to displace you. There is no way you can dispute this fact.

[skywalker25]

Murax nin daacad bu noqday. Why would any sane person pass a motion that’s not based on merit. Hasn’t Xamar been the most peaceful in years. Isn’t alshabab being chased down by this administration. If Hamza is being accused of not representing Darod interests ( las anood conflict) shouldn’t he get the benefit of the doubt because, the Ogaden he comes from have zero to gain from las anood but have lost a lot. The las anood conflict has one winner MJ, they’ve the most to gain. The Dhulbahnte are cannon fodder if they win they will be part of Puntland, which means they gain all the MP’s. If they lose it doesn’t affect Puntland as they said from the start they are not involved. With this motion they played their second hand by throwing under the bus OG.

[Murax]

Murax, I am afraid by learned experience, I treat 'older Somali' viewpoints strictly or merely as a subjective perspective that I need to 'prove' AGAINST the evidence.

Older Somali viewpoints is not evidence.

Marehan, Majerten, Hawiye, Isaaq, Rahanwayn---they all have their own subjective perspective and I have even found the Marehan oral perspective is not a tad different in veracity and contextualization limitations than any single one of the other perspectives.

Please read this recent topic of mine concerning this very subject and notice how far beyond both before and after the 60's I framed my reference;

https://www.somalinet.com/forums/viewto ... 0&t=409312

People who actually dealt with the political class going back to the lte 60s mater more than the subjective perspective you claim based on random dhalanyaro in the Twitterverse. The reason where you are coming from is no mindboggingly delusional, is the Deni/MJ political establishment who chaired/cochaired the last election process, deliberately delayed the elections, fought a 'Darood' in Farmaajo tooth/nail, and were instrumental in pushing the Ceelwaaq fiasco in one of the most embarrassing Ls ever absorbed in Somali politics to where a illiterate charcoal dealing warlord LITERALLY picked our MPs, is SOMEWHOW a potential ally Vis a Vis a HSM who really at worst just tells you Unuka Leh Xamar/Villa Somalia but otherwise wasn't the head of the snake that put us in this deplorable situation?


To me Hamze Barre is a known quantity good or bad. I see a path to where we can improve our political situation without much harm coming from his way. If you believe HSM is a enemy today, you will have two bitter enemies once you add a MJ PM, mark my words.

[BigBreak]

Let Hamza stay put, surely President HSM should know that there's nothing more submissive than a tamed cagdheer