Give Hargeisa the capital if Somalia is serious about bringing Somaliland back.

[theyuusuf143]

TheYuusuf, Mahoka, are two of the more reasonable Somalilanders you’ll see. Yacni Dhinac TheYuusuf Ma Fiyoow lakin at least he realizes ultimately it behooves him to take Calanka IRIR and accept is his country

All I care about is the wellbeing of my peaple , somaliland gave us security , dignity and substantial military power to operate . The only thing we lack is economy . If some how we fail to grow economically and the Somali federalists outperforms us in terms of economy , then we can discuss about Unity. But before that you have nothing to offer to me. By the why Somalia is not our Only neighbours. If we want to change our de facto status we can deal with anyone . And I mean it any one. Who can prevent us if we put all somaliland under Ethiopia ???????

Qadaadweynay markad idinku horumar gaadhaan anaga idin soo wacayna. Hadaanu idin soo wici wayno it means noloshaad Ka dhacdeen. Anaguna dad nolosha Ka dhacay wax Ku darsan mayno. Show us the beauty of somali Unity or shut the fk up.

[ReturnOfMariixmaan]

You can handle being a capital I agree. You and Garowe are ready for that

[Gubbet]

New power sharing negotiations will start off from 1960 nort south power sharing negotiation attempts - we can’t keep your dead dictator’s tribal inspired Provences.

6 Provences, two centres of power (Mogadishu, hargeisa) this is the starting point

So forget this conversation, my question to you is for an otherwise intelligent young man---why do you "choose" to be ignorant? And that is really a recurring venerability you display---intentionally choosing to be ignorant. Because there is no excuse for what you just said or repetitively regurgitating it concerning this subject and a number of other issues that are not even intellectually obscure or unclear.

Before I prove your statement above is a bankrupt grievance intentionally formed from ignorance---I would like to point something out to you. Have you ever seen or see now someone who is Hawiye or Isaaq or whatever "correcting" me about any historical equity or statement of historical veracity concerning them? If you can point out where I have been "corrected," I would appreciate it. Now the reason why I do not get "corrected" is not that I know everything or that I am any more "intelligent" than you (and frankly you are a witness to the number of times I have pointed out my tremendous respect for your cognitive abilities)---I do not get corrected because I "only" implicate what I have "ascertained." So you will never see me make a statement or remark about Isaaq or Hawiye or whatever that is unfair to them or is not implicated in evidence, i.e. not something I just make up or just adopt because of grievance. Do better and be better, because it is a shame with your intelligence and available resources to be implicated in our bush grievances insulated entirely by close minded, sheltered, ignorance.

• "Sool" existed before Somalia was a country. It was called Las Anod district with the exact same implication.
  
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• "Gedo" existed before Siad Barre, before even Italian Oltre Giuba let alone 1969 "Alto Giuba." It even existed in that same form in the 1910's and 20's.It was called "British" Serenle District ("Serinleey") with the exact same implication (a completely overwhelming MX majority)
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• Galgaduud was for Hawiye, not Marehan. Before Siad it was the two districts of El Bur and Dusamareb of southern Mudugh. Dusa Mareb was exactly modern Abudwaq district and east of road was El Bur. Until Siad, Marehan had 3 MPs from their exact same land west of road (last elected in 1968 were Adan Low, Ali Shire, Mahad Dirir), Hawiye 2 MPs from east of road to coast. After Siad made Galgaduud he literally just renamed the original Dusa Mareb district after its biggest settlement by then of Abudwaq and reorganized El Bur into 4 Hawiye districts of new El Bur, new Dusa mareb (already on borderline road the Dusa Mareb settlement reorganized into appropriate district of its own), El Dheer and Adado. Marehan 1 MP, Hawiye 4 MP.
  
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• Siad didn't create "Gedo" or "Sool" and nor did he create it for Marehan and Dhulbahante. They existed in that exact same form with that exact same composition "decades" before 1960.

[Gubbet]

Regarding Gedo, you can find it in the Anglo-Italian Convention of 1924 which is everywhere.

As for Sool;

• Here is a full pdf by the UN agency FAO
  
  • http://www.faoswalim.org/resources/Land ... 4-1950.pdf
• On page 56, please see the map and actual implication of Dhulbahante directly as a social group and the very existence of that distracts linked by Hunt in official capacity in administration print
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[Miles8]

This is intellectually bankrupt..

We simply won't allow movement of capital but we have other plans in store for ummada somaliyeed which will be beneficial for them but it won't step into action atleast by 2030 or late 2028-29..

[original dervish]

This is intellectually bankrupt..

We simply won't allow movement of capital but we have other plans in store for ummada somaliyeed which will be beneficial for them but it won't step into action atleast by 2030 or late 2028-29..

The only plan The southerners should be focusing on is how stabilise the south and defeat Al Shabaab.

[Miles8]

This is intellectually bankrupt..

We simply won't allow movement of capital but we have other plans in store for ummada somaliyeed which will be beneficial for them but it won't step into action atleast by 2030 or late 2028-29..

The only plan The southerners should be focusing on is how stabilise the south and defeat Al Shabaab.

That is only for now but we have much greater plan in store for Somalia..

Our efforts will never go cold with consistency and without fatigue..

[Khalid Ali]

That’s not much of an offer voltage. So waxad rabta a marexaan or a hawiye to come to hargeisa and inu halka naga xukumo
If u make the president for at least 7 decades a somalilander u can pursue allot of landers maybe I am not sure
Thé capital and the president and the military chief these three and the minister finance and the minister of interior . Somalia can have the speaker . Prime minister will be rotated between somaliland and Somalia. The same way u guys allowed us to be prime minister three times the past 60 years .

Now if u allow this we maybe can have a deal

Hadi kale meeshina naga jooga

[gobdoon]

Time negotiations with iidoor, entertaining is Finito they have lost whatever respect or empathy Somali people had, have shown nothing but hostility and hate committed humanitarian crimes forced civilians to flee their homes right now boarder between us is close and would share nothing with them until they repent from their evil deeds

[bashe19]

Burco for Capital are they glad? Hargeyaa NO its too far and full of Jaarso and Akisho, its not pure Somali.

[Khalid Ali]

Time negotiations with iidoor, entertaining is Finito they have lost whatever respect or empathy Somali people had, have shown nothing but hostility and hate committed humanitarian crimes forced civilians to flee their homes right now boarder between us is close and would share nothing with them until they repent from their evil deeds

Hahaha we will
Keep f-king u dirty jeberti clan and there is nothing u can do against somaliland. Come and try us . U dirty some of a hooker
U deserved to be murdered because u are a filthy jeberti coackoraoch

[theyuusuf143]

Time negotiations with iidoor, entertaining is Finito they have lost whatever respect or empathy Somali people had, have shown nothing but hostility and hate committed humanitarian crimes forced civilians to flee their homes right now boarder between us is close and would share nothing with them until they repent from their evil deeds

Hahaha we will
Keep f-king u dirty jeberti clan and there is nothing u can do against somaliland. Come and try us . U dirty some of a hooker
U deserved to be murdered because u are a filthy jeberti coackoraoch

Ma isaagaba Somali ahba. Waa dhabayac baaniyaala , oo Zanzibar iyo cumaani iska dhaleen. Sankiisu feedhkayga Ka weyn timahiisuna waa bisbis ,

[Gubbet]

Ironically I am not just of this mindset purely out of selflessness. The capital of Somalia is undefined because there was no agreement during the drafting of the provisional constitution. There has been no developing consensus on this issue and in fact the gap has widened. For example, in 2004 you probably couldn't find even 2% of Marehan that thought Mogadishu shouldn't be the capital, but today I would wager a plurality (50% +1) of Marehan would be against designating Mogadishu legally as the capital and this is increasing. I myself only definitively became a "new capital" person just last year wallahul cadiim. And Marehan are the most sensitive or even favorable towards Mogadishu of all Darod. The capital of Somalia requires unanimous consent. It is not a tie breaking issue, but a "masiiri" issue. It has to have unanimous consent. That is why it is not "legally defined" to this very second.

If Mogadishu is ruled out, I do not see a Darod city attaining unanimous consent. In my analysis, this leaves Dir umbrella/Isaaq whose biggest center is Hargeisa or Digil Mirifle umbrella/Rahanwayn whose biggest center is Baidoa. If the capital will not be Mogadishu (and I am certain it will fail the standard for becoming legally proscribed), then the capital should be placed in a place that can yield the maximum amount of possible benefits that can be derived from that decision. Baidoa is a southern town, even more "southern" than Mogadishu. This at the least will not change anything about the north/south problem and Somaliland's break away standing issue but conversely may even increase that divide! Whereas offering it to Hargeisa is singularly impactful for what it means and even contributes to bringing down the north/south divided including even arresting original Somaliland grievances like feeling the act of union with a "southern-based" government led to decline of sense of ownership and belonging over and to Somali governance that is one huge contributor to desires to leave.

I think this possibility is so singularly important for both Somaliland vs Somalia and within Somalia's civil war that I would deem it even "transformational."

[original dervish]

That’s not much of an offer voltage. So waxad rabta a marexaan or a hawiye to come to hargeisa and inu halka naga xukumo
If u make the president for at least 7 decades a somalilander u can pursue allot of landers maybe I am not sure
Thé capital and the president and the military chief these three and the minister finance and the minister of interior . Somalia can have the speaker . Prime minister will be rotated between somaliland and Somalia. The same way u guys allowed us to be prime minister three times the past 60 years .

Now if u allow this we maybe can have a deal

Hadi kale meeshina naga jooga

What in heavens name is this?
Khalid considering rejoining Somalia.
These mfs must have been shook to the very souls by the Dhulbahante blue revolution.

[Gubbet]

Who the hell does Voltage think he is to give our capital to Isaaq ? and what is this somaliland is talking about ? last time I checked the blue flag was flying over Lasanood so Somaliland is already back

The Idoor are not better than any other clan they can get a federal state just like the rest of us

Walaal, Lasanod waxeey u dagaashay to be "separated" from the "Somaliland" issue.

That is what SSC is "fighting" for.

When HSM named Abdikarem Guled as his "envoy to Somaliland" what did the Garaads' response say?

They "welcome" HSM decision naming an envoy to Somaliland as northerners who are part of "Somalia."

Essentially, Somaliland -Somalia issue is a long-standing relevant issue on its own independent to, even if related with, the SSC issue.