Marka: Anti-Habar Gidir street uprising engulfs town

[gobdoon]

Absolutely agree vigilant lynching is not good and beating up some one for no reason or belonging to a certain community, dadku wa unay iska qabtan inta xun madax iyo qaqablayal oo ay ogadan hadan nabada iyo xasiloni laga shaqayn waxyabaha foosha xun oo kuwa magac coda isticmalaya sameyan ayagay ku so noqon

[FarhanYare]

Absolutely agree vigilant lynching is not good and beating up some one for no reason or belonging to a certain community, dadku wa unay iska qabtan inta xun madax iyo qaqablayal oo ay ogadan hadan nabada iyo xasiloni laga shaqayn waxyabaha foosha xun oo kuwa magac coda isticmalaya sameyan ayagay ku so noqon

maxaa kaa galay you have more pressing issues like Isaq?If you want darood need to send army to marka we will recreat half qiyamo again. Remember hg is not isaq waa manaxayaal

[theyuusuf143]

Biyamaal in Marka waa Talyaani Rome jooga, ku laabo taas Barbow

Adigoo faqasha kollayba inaad wanaag HG iyo biimaal ka shaqayso kaamanu filnayn. Adeer midh iskuma hayaan labada Reer weliba waxaanu iska kaashan doona sidii aanu dhulkayaga u wada midayn lahayn. Dadkayagu eelay , Daarood iyo alshabaab midna ma hoos tegi doonan for sure. Shabeelaha hoose iyo weliba Dhul waxan Ku leenahay jubooyin kuna automatically waxay Ku sidkan yihiin benaadir ama magadishu.

This is called predatory "friendship" or friends who want to take advantage of you. "

This is why people must protect themselves against supposed " friends/allies/even blood" whose cause is not your cause and your cause is not their cause but are allied or overlap in support.

Essentially Yusuf is Isaaq and is in support of the failed aggression towards Dhulbahante. His cause is the attempted subjugation of Las Anod which was stopped dead on its tracks and repulsed by Dhulbahante with very public and uninhibited support from the wider Darod. He views Hawiye and especially HG as potential partners in fighting Darod.

Biyamaal is Dir im Marka who for the last 10 years have been in fierce engaged in an hegemonic land dispute with Hawiye and especially HG. They have no physical or material war with Darod either. Even their areas in Jubbaland where they live are not administered by Darod by Al Shabaab. Whille even this occurence with their targeted boys the implicated assailants are Hawiye and HG.

Yusuf doesn't care about Biyamaal, but he wants to weaponize their Dirness as a part of his war against Darod regarding Las Anod failed aggression.

He doesn't care that Biyamaal has their own cause and enemies and issues that affect them as Biyamaal which is independent to him. He doesn't care that the Hawiye he sees as potential allies in his aggression are the hegemonic competitors to Biyamaal that have had 10 years of the worst hegemonic aggression towards them.

In fact, he could care less that Biyamaal are people engaged in their own difficulties which are legitimate and deserve support from genuine friends and allies.

He could careless as Biyamaal is only there to selifishly only matter to what affects him.

That is called a predatory relationship where a narcissistic and selfish "friend" only wants to take advantage and use you.

That is a leech who wnsts to latch on and suck your blood dry.

Stop talking for Biyamaal or Dir Yusuf.

Horta waxan Ka cudur daaranaya inaan xoogaa busy ahaa oo aanad jawaab degdega iga helin , marka 1aad aniga qadiyayda mandaqaas aan Ka aaminsanahay maaha wax 2023 la kawsaday dagaal daaroodka noo dhexeeya ee waa waxaan intan halkan idinkula jirayba aan Ka shaqaynayey oo dhawr iyo toban sano ah. Waxan si cad oo iga daacada u aaminsanahay In biimaal iyo habagidir ba dantoodu Ku jirto Inay iskaashadan. Oo aanay marnaba Ka go,in xamar. Waa macquul inaanba khaldanahay laakiin that's my genuine idiology. Kamana leexanayo. Nin afkaar tiisu cadaan ahay.

[Gubbet]

Adigoo faqasha kollayba inaad wanaag HG iyo biimaal ka shaqayso kaamanu filnayn. Adeer midh iskuma hayaan labada Reer weliba waxaanu iska kaashan doona sidii aanu dhulkayaga u wada midayn lahayn. Dadkayagu eelay , Daarood iyo alshabaab midna ma hoos tegi doonan for sure. Shabeelaha hoose iyo weliba Dhul waxan Ku leenahay jubooyin kuna automatically waxay Ku sidkan yihiin benaadir ama magadishu.

This is called predatory "friendship" or friends who want to take advantage of you. "

This is why people must protect themselves against supposed " friends/allies/even blood" whose cause is not your cause and your cause is not their cause but are allied or overlap in support.

Essentially Yusuf is Isaaq and is in support of the failed aggression towards Dhulbahante. His cause is the attempted subjugation of Las Anod which was stopped dead on its tracks and repulsed by Dhulbahante with very public and uninhibited support from the wider Darod. He views Hawiye and especially HG as potential partners in fighting Darod.

Biyamaal is Dir im Marka who for the last 10 years have been in fierce engaged in an hegemonic land dispute with Hawiye and especially HG. They have no physical or material war with Darod either. Even their areas in Jubbaland where they live are not administered by Darod by Al Shabaab. Whille even this occurence with their targeted boys the implicated assailants are Hawiye and HG.

Yusuf doesn't care about Biyamaal, but he wants to weaponize their Dirness as a part of his war against Darod regarding Las Anod failed aggression.

He doesn't care that Biyamaal has their own cause and enemies and issues that affect them as Biyamaal which is independent to him. He doesn't care that the Hawiye he sees as potential allies in his aggression are the hegemonic competitors to Biyamaal that have had 10 years of the worst hegemonic aggression towards them.

In fact, he could care less that Biyamaal are people engaged in their own difficulties which are legitimate and deserve support from genuine friends and allies.

He could careless as Biyamaal is only there to selifishly only matter to what affects him.

That is called a predatory relationship where a narcissistic and selfish "friend" only wants to take advantage and use you.

That is a leech who wnsts to latch on and suck your blood dry.

Stop talking for Biyamaal or Dir Yusuf.

Horta waxan Ka cudur daaranaya inaan xoogaa busy ahaa oo aanad jawaab degdega iga helin , marka 1aad aniga qadiyayda mandaqaas aan Ka aaminsanahay maaha wax 2023 la kawsaday dagaal daaroodka noo dhexeeya ee waa waxaan intan halkan idinkula jirayba aan Ka shaqaynayey oo dhawr iyo toban sano ah. Waxan si cad oo iga daacada u aaminsanahay In biimaal iyo habagidir ba dantoodu Ku jirto Inay iskaashadan. Oo aanay marnaba Ka go,in xamar. Waa macquul inaanba khaldanahay laakiin that's my genuine idiology. Kamana leexanayo. Nin afkaar tiisu cadaan ahay.

I am afraid since my post the Biyamaal Direed clan's highest socio-political and traditional leaders have gone on the record to speak for themselves and their statements have been nothing but 100% complimentary to my post;





No one is saying be against anyone, but you need to check your transactional selfishness at the door.

The irony here is I have never seen such selfless altruism in Somali culture as these Biyamaal folks of Marka have shown Isaaq time and time again in the modern history of Somalis.

Walle iyo bille sideey kuugu liseen ugumaad hambeyn!

At the very least one would be wise to stop co-opting their pain.and imposing your narrative over their own voice in their time of need!

[theyuusuf143]

Radio daljir ? That's MJ mouthpiece. By the way waa run i isaaq tolkood biimaal weligood waxba Kuma darsan laakiin Anigu isaaqa noocaasa ma ahi, afkaartaydan Ku socda. Ha saxsanaato ama ha khaldanaatee. Aan kuugu celiyo jamaame kama go,ayso marka cadey oo walaahiya. Markana kama go, ayso xamar. Sidaas darteed tolkay biimaal baydhabo iyo kismayo midna faa,iido uguma jirto . That's my genuine opinion. Sidaas baan aaminsanahay shakhsiyan weligayna aaminsana.

[theyuusuf143]

Let me emphasize again jamaame kama go,ayso marka. Never .

[Gubbet]

Let me emphasize again jamaame kama go,ayso marka. Never .

Maxeey macno leedahay waxaad tiraahdid, like Dhabad and Saaxo are Galmudug and Puntland or Balanbale and Garbahaareey are Galmudug and Jubbaland, Jamaame iyo Marka wa Southwest and Jubbaland.

Also you do know Marehan are one of the biggest landowners of Jamaame today? waliba specifically my own Reer Siyaad including extended relatives.

I did not do a good job relaying it here and clearly wasn't measured with my hyperbole, but read it has "Marehan are serious Jamaame and really Jilib landowners" today.

Whether it is right or wrong, all the farmland there has been bought by Mareexaan.

There is a Mareexaan guy in my town who travels all over middle America to the most random Cadaan farms in South Dakota and Iowa and buys barely used cagaf-cagafs (tractors) and other farm equipment and ships them to Somalia. Even replaced the usual poor Chinese crap they used to buy once he showed them how durable and long lasting John Deere is.

Literally last May he was telling me waa yaab how much farmland Mareexaan have taken over in Jubooyinka. He said there is not a sq inch around Jamaame for instance that isn't owned by Marehan now. In turn they hire thr locals.

He said every day he is getting orders from Mareexaan who heard about him wanting a replacement for something that stopped working on their farm

https://www.somalinet.com/forums/viewto ... 0#p4958056

I am going to preempt you with these disclaimers;

1. "All" the farmland was incorrect but yes "waa yaab how much" was the gist.
2. Wallahi the story and nature of what I relayed is true.
3. EVERYBODY FROM JUBBALAND WITH ANY SINGLE RELATIVE BETWEEN GOBWEYN TO JILIB AND JAMAAM TO KAMSUUMA TO DAJUUMA/BU'AALE KNOWS HOW MUCH LEGAL LAND EXCHANGE VOLUNTARILY HAS TAKEN PLACE.

I will add one last point----this is pure capitalism or free market unfortunately and as we know from the globe over there is a relevant discussion concerning free trade vs fair trade. Even so---There is no compulsion however as it is all voluntary exchange at market rate.

Jamaame waa Jubbaland.

[theyuusuf143]

Let me emphasize again jamaame kama go,ayso marka. Never .

Maxeey macno leedahay waxaad tiraahdid, like Dhabad and Saaxo are Galmudug and Puntland or Balanbale and Garbahaareey are Galmudug and Jubbaland, Jamaame iyo Marka wa Southwest and Jubbaland.

Also you do know Marehan are one of the biggest landowners of Jamaame today? waliba specifically my own Reer Siyaad including extended relatives.

I did not do a good job relaying it here and clearly wasn't measured with my hyperbole, but read it has "Marehan are serious Jamaame and really Jilib landowners" today.

Whether it is right or wrong, all the farmland there has been bought by Mareexaan.

There is a Mareexaan guy in my town who travels all over middle America to the most random Cadaan farms in South Dakota and Iowa and buys barely used cagaf-cagafs (tractors) and other farm equipment and ships them to Somalia. Even replaced the usual poor Chinese crap they used to buy once he showed them how durable and long lasting John Deere is.

Literally last May he was telling me waa yaab how much farmland Mareexaan have taken over in Jubooyinka. He said there is not a sq inch around Jamaame for instance that isn't owned by Marehan now. In turn they hire thr locals.

He said every day he is getting orders from Mareexaan who heard about him wanting a replacement for something that stopped working on their farm

https://www.somalinet.com/forums/viewto ... 0#p4958056

I am going to preempt you with these disclaimers;

1. "All" the farmland was incorrect but yes "waa yaab how much" was the gist.
2. Wallahi the story and nature of what I relayed is true.
3. EVERYBODY FROM JUBBALAND WITH ANY SINGLE RELATIVE BETWEEN GOBWEYN TO JILIB AND JAMAAM TO KAMSUUMA TO DAJUUMA/BU'AALE KNOWS HOW MUCH LEGAL LAND EXCHANGE VOLUNTARILY HAS TAKEN PLACE.

I will add one last point----this is pure capitalism or free market unfortunately and as we know from the globe over there is a relevant discussion concerning free trade vs fair trade. Even so---There is no compulsion however as it is all voluntary exchange at market rate.

Jamaame waa Jubbaland.

Jubaland waa maamul daarod , anaguna daarood ma nihin sxb, xaruntayadu waa marka. Dhul waxaanu leenahay oo dhana halkaas baa laga maamulaya. Dhulkaagana kuguma haysano. Mida kale cadawga 1aad ee jubaland waaba adiga meel fog haka raadin. Weliga miyaad aragtay beel aan tiina ahayn oo fidno Ku haysa jubaland. Adeer anagu dad aan yaguba heshiis ahayn waxba Ku darsan mayno. Habagidir iyo biimaal waa isku Dan. Jamaame waa halkan sokee Ilaa turdho baanu usoo socona , Cid naga hor taagana ma jirto , xaqna u leenahay.

[gobdoon]

TheYusuf the arm chair wrestler Fadhiga ku dirir

[theyuusuf143]

TheYusuf the arm chair wrestler Fadhiga ku dirir

The regional based federalism is failed because of the dhabayaco , pure clan based federalism Will eventually replace the borders of the old regions. Wixii danta hawiye Ku jirto bay taayaduna Ku jirta. What do we need from baydhabo and kismayo , anagoo marka cadey iyo xamar isku qoofalan karna.

Shabeelaha hoose iyo benaadir way isku tima tidcan yihiin , adeer beerahayagu suuq bay u baahan yihiin, suuq xamar Ka weyna ma jiro, dadkayaguna waxay u baahan yihiin adeeg hufan, yadoo xamar intaa noo jirto , eelay iyo daarood Ka sugi mayno hanbo ay soo kala shaxaaden. Ninkii Ka naxaya iyo kii farxayawba HG iyo Biimaal ba dantooday u midoobayan. Waaqica sidaa faraya.

[FarhanYare]

Beenta daya mareexaan jemaame xaa geeyay?

[Gubbet]

Beenta daya mareexaan jemaame xaa geeyay?

The actual question is WHEN did Marehan "lose" Jamaame and that would be AFTER 1933 when Alto Giuba and Basso Giuba replaced "Oltre Giuba" and the Italians decided all Marehan would be "redistricted" into Alto Giuba to "separate" them from the emancipated good Gosha folks.





I am going to tell you a big irony right now about Somali "oral mythologizing" that buttressed the whole need for "Irir" ---

---THERE WERE NO "SOMALIS" WEST OF THE JUBBA RIVER BEFORE DAROD CAPTURED AND COLONIZED IT!

There was no Gaaljecel, Shiiqaal, Dir, there were no Degoodiye, Murule in NFD.

In fact do you notice the non-Darod in today's Jubbaland and NFD are ALL HIIRAAN clans, particularly between Beled-Weyne to Kelaafo straddling the Shabelle River (Gugundhabe,Gaaljecel, Masaree, Murule, Degoodiye, Sheekhaal, Dir Surre, etxc??

THEY WERE TAKEN ON AS TRAVELING COMPANIONS TO THE DAROD PRIMARILY MAREHAN AND OGADEN WHO WERE CROSSING THE SHABELLE FROM SHILAABO/DOLLO/QOROXEEY ON THEIR PATH TO THE JUBBA.

That is why there is no Hiraab, no Abgaal or Habar Gidir or Karanle or Murursade or the interior plains Hawiye jn Jubbaland/NFD and beyond.

ONLY THE HIIRAAN CLANS IN. PARTICULAR BETWEEN BELED-WEYNE/FEERFEER TO KHELAFO ARE IN JUBBALAND OR NFD TODAY BECAUSE THEY WERE ON THE PATH TRAVELED BY DARODS WHO TOOK ON GROUPS FROM AMONG THEM WHO DECIDED TO GO ALONG WITH THEM AS THEY WERE PASSED BY ON THE SHABELLE CROSSING AROUND TODAY'S KELAFO.

Both the British and Italians record "WEST" of the Jubba at "BIDI" (later Margherita and Alexandaria or even later Jilib and Jamaame) there was only Gosha (beesha Jareerwayne) and "Marehan" who had taken them on as "indentured servants" in return for "protection" from Tunni slavers from Benadir who waited for them EAST of the Jubba. [

Somali oral mythologizing and grievance making has completely bastardized the real history which we now can see from independent, 3rs party British and Italian records who CORROBORATE each other.

[Gubbet]

[gobdoon]

TheYusuf the arm chair wrestler Fadhiga ku dirir

The regional based federalism is failed because of the dhabayaco , pure clan based federalism Will eventually replace the borders of the old regions. Wixii danta hawiye Ku jirto bay taayaduna Ku jirta. What do we need from baydhabo and kismayo , anagoo marka cadey iyo xamar isku qoofalan karna.

Shabeelaha hoose iyo benaadir way isku tima tidcan yihiin , adeer beerahayagu suuq bay u baahan yihiin, suuq xamar Ka weyna ma jiro, dadkayaguna waxay u baahan yihiin adeeg hufan, yadoo xamar intaa noo jirto , eelay iyo daarood Ka sugi mayno hanbo ay soo kala shaxaaden. Ninkii Ka naxaya iyo kii farxayawba HG iyo Biimaal ba dantooday u midoobayan. Waaqica sidaa faraya.

Yusuf I am glad to hear that seven months ago you were not making such noises, Fad ama wa lagu Fadsiin hadad cagaha dhulka dhingteen oo garaten Koonfur wa u baahan tihiin

[theyuusuf143]

TheYusuf the arm chair wrestler Fadhiga ku dirir

The regional based federalism is failed because of the dhabayaco , pure clan based federalism Will eventually replace the borders of the old regions. Wixii danta hawiye Ku jirto bay taayaduna Ku jirta. What do we need from baydhabo and kismayo , anagoo marka cadey iyo xamar isku qoofalan karna.

Shabeelaha hoose iyo benaadir way isku tima tidcan yihiin , adeer beerahayagu suuq bay u baahan yihiin, suuq xamar Ka weyna ma jiro, dadkayaguna waxay u baahan yihiin adeeg hufan, yadoo xamar intaa noo jirto , eelay iyo daarood Ka sugi mayno hanbo ay soo kala shaxaaden. Ninkii Ka naxaya iyo kii farxayawba HG iyo Biimaal ba dantooday u midoobayan. Waaqica sidaa faraya.

Yusuf I am glad to hear that seven months ago you were not making such noises, Fad ama wa lagu Fadsiin hadad cagaha dhulka dhingteen oo garaten Koonfur wa u baahan tihiin

Af Direed baan kugula hadlaya maaha kii somaliland , meelwalbana waanu joogna sxb. Koonfur maxaad Ka tahay adigu , the whole government of somalia depends on hawiye , dirkayaga koonfur tuna hawiyahaas baanu walaalo nahay oo wax la leenahay. Nalooma dhexayn karo.