Update on Sep 13 2023: Khatumo state is heading towards becoming the latest Federal state together with Hiraan state

[Gubbet]

Ilaahay amarkiis I was stupid before for not noticing the "hostility" if not "RAGE" that is your foundation when you address Marehan {& Kismaayo}.

War Kismaayo Marehan baa leh, WALLAHI Marehan baa leh just like Jubbaland.

This is sealed and foregone.

It doesn't mean Kismaayo isn't Darod and even Harti and Absame cannot, do not, and will not live there. Kismaayo to Marehan is what "Boosaaso" is to Majerten.10 Darod clans can live in Kismaayo all they want, from there to Nageeyle is over a million strong Marehan.

Ahmed Madoobe and his nuisance in Kismaayo is like "Hassan Dahir Aweys" and Al Itihad in control of Boosaaso.

This whole "land" from the Ethiopian border to the Indian Ocean is Marehan; it is Marehan even TODAY. The presence of Kenyan troops is just a "filter" ---nothing more than just a filter that is going to disappear when you aren't looking through the "screen."

You guys need to come to grips with reality.

At one point, Darod thought they could have Mogadishu over an ocean of Irir even battling just outside Afgooye.Even if Ahmed Madoobe rules for 21 years in Kismaayo like Jaalle Siyaad in Mogadishu, Kismaayo is Marehan just like Mog is Hawiye.

After Muuse Biixi and the weirdly unacceptable misjudgement that thought he could have Laas Caanood over Dhulbahante, I am starting to DESPISE rational, grown human beings who are so focking insecure and FRAGILE about facing reality that they purposely and intentionally create a childishly abnormal alternate reality.

Kismaayo and Jubbaland is gone dude since federalism, it is focking Marehan oo wallahi it is oo billahi it is oo tollahi it is. The temporary presence of the Kenyans is like focking 'santa clause ' at the Mall making the toddler really believe in the fantasy.

That beardless, fat, old White dude is going to pull off that fake beard, get out of them ridiculous clothes, and go home to nurse a beer irritated by all the "annoying" kids he had to deal with all day.

That is the KDF momentary irrelevance.

Move on. For your own good.

Perhaps start moving on to how to have a better relationship with Marehan so you can still see a Kismaayo and Jubbaland you still like as opposed to one you don't like?

[theyuusuf143]

Federalism has failed. Even the qabiil based puntland one is a failure. Dhulbahante will be independent from puntland after puntland elections. How ever it's up to dhulbahante to be self sufficient otherwise horgals will hijack Their project again.

[original dervish]

Federalism has failed. Even the qabiil based puntland one is a failure. Dhulbahante will be independent from puntland after puntland elections. How ever it's up to dhulbahante to be self sufficient otherwise horgals will hijack Their project again.

If idoor accept the peace we will reopen trade and business links.

We will continue the sl plan for a dry port in Tukaraq.
However, the custom fees will remain with khaatumo State.

[SadSayyid]

Ilaahay amarkiis I was stupid before for not noticing the "hostility" if not "RAGE" that is your foundation when you address Marehan {& Kismaayo}.

War Kismaayo Marehan baa leh, WALLAHI Marehan baa leh just like Jubbaland.

This is sealed and foregone.

It doesn't mean Kismaayo isn't Darod and even Harti and Absame cannot, do not, and will not live there. Kismaayo to Marehan is what "Boosaaso" is to Majerten.10 Darod clans can live in Kismaayo all they want, from there to Nageeyle is over a million strong Marehan.

Ahmed Madoobe and his nuisance in Kismaayo is like "Hassan Dahir Aweys" and Al Itihad in control of Boosaaso.

This whole "land" from the Ethiopian border to the Indian Ocean is Marehan; it is Marehan even TODAY. The presence of Kenyan troops is just a "filter" ---nothing more than just a filter that is going to disappear when you aren't looking through the "screen."

You guys need to come to grips with reality.

At one point, Darod thought they could have Mogadishu over an ocean of Irir even battling just outside Afgooye.Even if Ahmed Madoobe rules for 21 years in Kismaayo like Jaalle Siyaad in Mogadishu, Kismaayo is Marehan just like Mog is Hawiye.

After Muuse Biixi and the weirdly unacceptable misjudgement that thought he could have Laas Caanood over Dhulbahante, I am starting to DESPISE rational, grown human beings who are so focking insecure and FRAGILE about facing reality that they purposely and intentionally create a childishly abnormal alternate reality.

Kismaayo and Jubbaland is gone dude since federalism, it is focking Marehan oo wallahi it is oo billahi it is oo tollahi it is. The temporary presence of the Kenyans is like focking 'santa clause ' at the Mall making the toddler really believe in the fantasy.

That beardless, fat, old White dude is going to pull off that fake beard, get out of them ridiculous clothes, and go home to nurse a beer irritated by all the "annoying" kids he had to deal with all day.

That is the KDF momentary irrelevance.

Move on. For your own good.

Perhaps start moving on to how to have a better relationship with Marehan so you can still see a Kismaayo and Jubbaland you still like as opposed to one you don't like?

I don't understand how someone can defend MX equity in DDS using colonial records and deny the same privelege to Absame and Harti in Jubaland.

"This whole "land" from the Ethiopian border to the Indian Ocean is Marehan" is what your opinion is in Jubaland. You do realise what you've just said is on par with what you've accused Makahil of doing to MX in DDS?

What you're calling for isn't reconciliation or state building but a continuation of the civil war.

Please understand that I'm not trying to attack you. In the past you've even described me as someone claiming MX as a pretext to dox you or passive aggressively take shots at you. We just see things very differently.

[SadSayyid]

Dabacasar..used to be my dugsi teacher ..I know that money loving man ciidi lacag siiso unbu amaana …and the other guy Waa dira diraale..I watched his lame isku dir dir video 5 months ago…cida shegaynasid xita waxba kama ogid..maxaa xamar mesha keenay ..ninki ladoor unban taga. If pl supports ssc..then maxaa ula rabata inay pl hoos yimaadaan…war orod isxabaal sheegatayohow.
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I didn't know this. I thought he was an unbiased MX afhayeen. I've used his talking point many times in the past. I'll refrain from using him in the future.

[Gubbet]

Ilaahay amarkiis I was stupid before for not noticing the "hostility" if not "RAGE" that is your foundation when you address Marehan {& Kismaayo}.

War Kismaayo Marehan baa leh, WALLAHI Marehan baa leh just like Jubbaland.

This is sealed and foregone.

It doesn't mean Kismaayo isn't Darod and even Harti and Absame cannot, do not, and will not live there. Kismaayo to Marehan is what "Boosaaso" is to Majerten.10 Darod clans can live in Kismaayo all they want, from there to Nageeyle is over a million strong Marehan.

Ahmed Madoobe and his nuisance in Kismaayo is like "Hassan Dahir Aweys" and Al Itihad in control of Boosaaso.

This whole "land" from the Ethiopian border to the Indian Ocean is Marehan; it is Marehan even TODAY. The presence of Kenyan troops is just a "filter" ---nothing more than just a filter that is going to disappear when you aren't looking through the "screen."

You guys need to come to grips with reality.

At one point, Darod thought they could have Mogadishu over an ocean of Irir even battling just outside Afgooye.Even if Ahmed Madoobe rules for 21 years in Kismaayo like Jaalle Siyaad in Mogadishu, Kismaayo is Marehan just like Mog is Hawiye.

After Muuse Biixi and the weirdly unacceptable misjudgement that thought he could have Laas Caanood over Dhulbahante, I am starting to DESPISE rational, grown human beings who are so focking insecure and FRAGILE about facing reality that they purposely and intentionally create a childishly abnormal alternate reality.

Kismaayo and Jubbaland is gone dude since federalism, it is focking Marehan oo wallahi it is oo billahi it is oo tollahi it is. The temporary presence of the Kenyans is like focking 'santa clause ' at the Mall making the toddler really believe in the fantasy.

That beardless, fat, old White dude is going to pull off that fake beard, get out of them ridiculous clothes, and go home to nurse a beer irritated by all the "annoying" kids he had to deal with all day.

That is the KDF momentary irrelevance.

Move on. For your own good.

Perhaps start moving on to how to have a better relationship with Marehan so you can still see a Kismaayo and Jubbaland you still like as opposed to one you don't like?

I don't understand how someone can defend MX equity in DDS using colonial records and deny the same privelege to Absame and Harti in Jubaland.

"This whole "land" from the Ethiopian border to the Indian Ocean is Marehan" is what your opinion is in Jubaland. You do realise what you've just said is on par with what you've accused Makahil of doing to MX in DDS?

What you're calling for isn't reconciliation or state building but a continuation of the civil war.

Please understand that I'm not trying to attack you. In the past you've even described me as someone claiming MX as a pretext to dox you or passive aggressively take shots at you. We just see things very differently.

INCORRECT, YOU HAVE A PROBLEM DIFFERENTIATING NORMATIVE TRUTH VS OBJECTIVE TRUTH. IN FACT I WOULD SAY THE MJ POSITION ON KISMAAYO IS THE BIGGEST EXAMPLE OF THIS PROBLEM IN SOMALI DISCOURSE.

Marehan is denied recognition to his own lands, he is denied recognition to Burgeesoole.

I am not denying that Harti live in Kismaayo or are even indigenous to it. I am not denying Absame live in Jubbaland and are even majority in say Afmadoow (for example).

I am not even denying that Gosha, Gaaljecel, Shiiqaal, Cawrmale, Bajuni, Rahanwayn, etc all live in Kismaayo.

Jubbaland is like Somali Region and Kismaayo is like Jigjiga.

Exactly.

Million groups can live there, but only 1 group has SPHERE OF INFLUENCE AND EVEN SIT IN JIGJIGA.

That is Ogaden in Somali Region.

That is Marehan in Jubbaland.

Madoobe there under KDF is like Abdimajid the Isaaq as head of Somali Region under the 90's TPLF.

IT IS UNNATURAL. THIS IS CALLED 'REALPOLITIK.'

[theyuusuf143]

Federalism has failed. Even the qabiil based puntland one is a failure. Dhulbahante will be independent from puntland after puntland elections. How ever it's up to dhulbahante to be self sufficient otherwise horgals will hijack Their project again.

If idoor accept the peace we will reopen trade and business links.

We will continue the sl plan for a dry port in Tukaraq.
However, the custom fees will remain with khaatumo State.

good for you good for us. We are open for business.

[Gubbet]

You know Yuusuf earlier in the war, in fact in the 1st week I said this;

Let this man be a lesson for all Somalis about "leadership."

If someone was that disagreeable with strong negatives in personality, behavior, and disposition qhen seeking power---chances are they would be catastrophic with power.

Imagine Cigaal...he fought against his own Isaaq..Tuur. He said no Somaliland clan can renounce Sland with us all fighting them. So he fought Garxajis.

But what happen when Dhulbahante renounced Somaliland? What about even when they joined the Garowe conference forming Puntland? What about all since even with Abdullahi Yusuf as Pland leader in control of Las Anod?


Cigaal did not even say "peep." Forget fighting, he didn't even say "peep." He just "contained" that issue.

Why?

Do you think Somaliland had less assumptions about power? Do you think he loved the Dhullo more than Biixi?

I wager my life that Cigaal knew and felt and internalized that DHULBAHANTE ARE DAROD, NOT ISAAQ and that what can happen within Isaaq, like versus Garxajis/Tuur, CANNOT BE ALLOWED TO HAPPEN WITH DHULBAHANTE.

I wager my life this man knew even a single soldier brought to bear forcefully on Dhulbahante land let alone a single hostile bullet, forget even a durect military engagement---would be the permanent nail on the project of Somaliland implicating all of former British Somaliland.

I wager my life that is why he showed the leadership he showed which explains why he acted the way he did.

Look at the prancing, arrogant, mindlessly mistaken fool who pranced into the picture 20 years later.

Somalis behavior, disposition, and personality are absolutely important for judging potential leadership.

Wallahi.

Muuse Biixi is the greatest recent example for the Somali people.

https://www.somalinet.com/forums/viewto ... 7#p5040379

Your response to OD is so tragic wallahi both for its beauty and irony in light of what I said in the 1st week of war.

Somalis have a LEADERSHIP problem since Cigaal's generation.

[original dervish]

Cigaal aun was probably the last great Somali politician.
A true statesman and political giant.

TheYusef is being pragmatic.
He understands there is nothing to be gained by continuing the war. I share his sentiments completely.

The last eight months have been a tragedy for all concerned.

It's estimated Dhulbahante lost 1000 fighters and 500 civilians. For the iidoor I've heard figures from 2500-3000. Furthermore, there thousands of seriously injured .
Many have lost eyes, limbs etc, and will never work again.

This whole episode could have been avoided.