For the Thegoodshepherd regarding constitutionality of Federal States' structure.

[Gubbet]

It's a simple and logic question , the federal government can't take responsibilities of multiple small fiefdoms. They prefer larger states that can run their own affairs. So dhulbahante should convince the government why they can't stay with puntland .
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Majeerteen ma rabo wax lala shir yimaado maaha, somalida oo dhabaan is wada Rabin. This will have a domino effects on all existing States to collapse all the same time. Nothing is more dangerous than an inspired laangaab Clans.

Sxb they defeated 'you' for the 'right' to represent themselves after you imposed aggression against them for "political capture."

They defeated you so they now have a seat at the table you sat with HSM.

Your decision to attack them had consequences and this one of them.

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[theyuusuf143]

Falastiin belongs to Israel. Dhulbahante anaga danbaabna ilaahay Ka sakaw. Ushaada nimaad Ka qaadan karta loo dhiibta. Hadiiba hashaa dhulbahante awrkeeda diiday , we prefer in qaalinka yaree majeerteen noo sii hayo . Dhulbahante wuxu Ku qurux badan yahay inuu ahaado kubad dhex taal anaka iyo majeerteen. Oo marba mid dhinac u laado.

[Gubbet]

No, Israel recognizes Palestine is a territory that is merely occupied by them since 1967 and has signed multiple international peace settlements reinforcing their recognition a Palestinian State is the end goal.

That is all different to this. You are showing an inability to recognize the implication of Power.

Not every country on earth is a permanent member of the Security Council. There are only 5.

All Somali tribes should have equality before the Law, but they are not equally implicated within Power.

Dhulbahante is a discussion because of their implication of Power.

This isn't charity. This is Power.

You just don't seem to recognize you are defeated.

Essentially, I mean understand the context of course, but you are like "Hitler" and/or Nazi Germany wanting to have influence on what the Post-War settlement entails.

Ushaada u dhiib is someone who does not comprehend that their very attack/fighting birthed the post-fighting order after they were "defeated."

Firdhiye is in Mogadishu being recognized as an FMS to be because you attacked Lascaanood against the wishes of all other communities of Somalia and were subsequently defeated.

Do you think then your decision to try to politically capture them by force and stunningly being defeated in that aim has no consequences? That you are still Sultan in Hargeisa with jurisdiction nominally to Puntland border?

No, Goojacadde birthed this recognition. It is not charity and it is not based on favors. Dhulbahante cashed SSC with their blood.

That's Power.

[original dervish]

We are unlike any other clan.
We have defeated the secessionist claim to northern Somalia.

The SFG should take this opportunity to destroy the iidoors claims to the entire north of Somalia.

PL are our brothers.......however, Darood need at least 3 federal states.

Iidoors couldn't stop us at Goojacaade......they won't be able to stop us in Xamar.

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[Gubbet]

We are unlike any other clan.
We have defeated the secessionist claim to northern Somalia.

The SFG should take this opportunity to destroy the iidoors claims to the entire north of Somalia.

PL are our brothers.......however, Darood need at least 3 federal states.

Iidoors couldn't stop us at Goojacaade......they won't be able to stop us in Xamar.

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZGJcc9LQK/

If you see my recent lonely position in discussions here with other Marehan, you would not be surprised to see me encouraging differently here.

Sxb do you know why Galmudug is so stable in form at odds with the rest of the federal states amd even Federal government despite hardly incubated structure, appendage, service delivery, and even election destablization?

It is not Galmudug itself, it is the inevitable "type" of working relationship her communities were forced to finally come to after the most vicious and debilitatingly hostile clan conflicts since 1991 on a recurrent basis.

The clans there have touched Dante's inferno trying everything existential again each other from ethnic displace to attempted cleansing to subjugation. They have confirmed it has no conclusion or eventual domination but only war of attrition to infinity.

Marehan And Habar Gidir in Galgaduud NEVER mix national issues with regional issues even if both issues concern them.

This is why Mahad Salaad will not become Galmudug president. This is why Galmudug's Marehan reps take ownership on Marehan issue, and all the other clans the same. You cannot have any other Federal or State leader as they exist in all the ofhe admins in Galmudug. In Galmudug, Qoorqoor is deferential to Abdiwayeel the Interior Minister on Marehan issues and Abdiwayeel is deferential to the Dir Minister on Dir issues.

All of this I bring up to say;

You are the neighbor of Isaaq and Somaliland. Never mix your directly implicated issues concerning Isaaq with your nationally implicated issues there in Xamar.

You have Las Anod, you are administering SSC. Isaaq's portion of former British Somaliland and what they do with it or how Somalia should relate to it---I wouldn't even allow myself an opinion. Hadeey FMS noqdaan, that's between them and Somalia, if they push all thr way to independence, that is between them and Somalia.a

For what is strategically in your best interest, be only responsibly for issues directly between you and them as neighbor. You gain nothing from their destruction and even lose.

Dhulbahante going forward should be motivated even starting to repair elite contact between them and Isaaq at the non-state/non-political level so business people, social luminaries.

If your future is India and Pakistan as opposed to US and Canada, you have won a battle, but lost the war.

[BigBreak]

Somaliland is not like balkanised failed state Somalia......no part of Somaliland will be allowed to break away and in the end Somalia will have to accept the territorial integrity of Somaliland along with our right to be independent as a precondition to ending the 32 year impasse in relations between the two countries

[Smile-LiKe-SuN-RiSE]

We are unlike any other clan.
We have defeated the secessionist claim to northern Somalia.

The SFG should take this opportunity to destroy the iidoors claims to the entire north of Somalia.

PL are our brothers.......however, Darood need at least 3 federal states.

Iidoors couldn't stop us at Goojacaade......they won't be able to stop us in Xamar.

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZGJcc9LQK/

Darood have the most lands …and deserve more than 3 states .

[theyuusuf143]

We are unlike any other clan.
We have defeated the secessionist claim to northern Somalia.

The SFG should take this opportunity to destroy the iidoors claims to the entire north of Somalia.

PL are our brothers.......however, Darood need at least 3 federal states.

Iidoors couldn't stop us at Goojacaade......they won't be able to stop us in Xamar.

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZGJcc9LQK/

How do you know it will stay 3 ? Your dhuxulaysato cousins also wants to be Their own thing,. Once you are approved it's a Pandora's box no one else can be stopped. And god knows how many maamuls hawiye Will be fragmented into, knowing Their loose relationship. Even cayr can leave the rest of habagidir. Who on earth can stop ceyr tomorrow. Who can stop xawaadle.

Somalia don't dare to FK with somaliland and puntland , because your exit is also threat to puntland by encouraging the warsangeli. So while puntland is showing som fake smile, deep down they know your departure is threat to them. Only the mareexaans has nothing to loose to support you. But both the dhabayaco , and cagdheer are working against you politically. Do you think axmed madoobe wants to deal with thousand laangaabs. You are just honest northerner who never studied how the qadaadweyn mind works. I graduated from their university

the SFG may help you . But THEY WILL NEVER GIVE YOU STATEHOOD status. You need to earn it by hook or crook. The Somali Rebels of SNM /SSDF/USC and SPM are still in control of the Somalia. And d look those who are struggling, it's the pro Kacaan laangaab clans. And other minority or less organised ones , There is no justice in this world my friend. Nothing is easy. Million challenges are ahead of you.

[Gubbet]

We are unlike any other clan.
We have defeated the secessionist claim to northern Somalia.

The SFG should take this opportunity to destroy the iidoors claims to the entire north of Somalia.

PL are our brothers.......however, Darood need at least 3 federal states.

Iidoors couldn't stop us at Goojacaade......they won't be able to stop us in Xamar.

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZGJcc9LQK/

How do you know it will stay 3 ? Your dhuxulaysato cousins also wants to be Their own thing,. Once you are approved it's a Pandora's box no one else can be stopped. And god knows how many maamuls hawiye Will be fragmented into, knowing Their loose relationship. Even cayr can leave the rest of habagidir. Who on earth can stop ceyr tomorrow. Who can stop xawaadle.

Somalia don't dare to FK with somaliland and puntland , because your exit is also threat to puntland by encouraging the warsangeli. So while puntland is showing som fake smile, deep down they know your departure is threat to them. Only the mareexaans has nothing to loose to support you. But both the dhabayaco , and cagdheer are working against you politically. Do you think axmed madoobe wants to deal with thousand laangaabs. You are just honest northerner who never studied how the qadaadweyn mind works. I graduated from their university

the SFG may help you . But THEY WILL NEVER GIVE YOU STATEHOOD status. You need to earn it by hook or crook. The Somali Rebels of SNM /SSDF/USC and SPM are still in control of the Somalia. And d look those who are struggling, it's the pro Kacaan laangaab clans. And other minority or less organised ones , There is no justice in this world my friend. Nothing is easy. Million challenges are ahead of you.

1. He is in Las Anod as "SSC-Khatumo" in full military control of 1/3 of former British Somaliland territory.

2. He earned that through literal blood sweat.

3. His victory has birthed him Federal State implication where almost 100 Federal ministers/senators/mps/government agents went to Las Anod to pay homage followed by the invitation that culminated in this week with the Federal Interior Ministry of Somalia accepting in public the application for processing FMS status.


Finally, the SFG does not give or make Statehood---that is just your desire. If the SFG gives or makes Statehood, north Mudug would not be part of Puntland, Gedo and Kismaayo would not be in the same state, and nor even would Lower Shabelle be in Southwest, and most of all Benadir would be an FMS already.

The SFG does NOT "give" statehood----POLITICAL REALITY DOES. The same one that says Gedo and Kismaayo are in a federal state of Jubbaland and not concepts of "6 regions" or " Alto Jubba (Gedo, Bay, Bakool). That same POLITICAL REALITY says SSC is a state having defeated Somaliland for direct control of 1/3 of the former British Somaliland territory.

Realpolitik actually establishes Statehood is not made by "possibility" (the amount of grievances) rather it is made by "capability" (the share of power in political reality).

Thinking the SFG "gives" Statehood is like thinking the local government office "gives" marriage when it only "processes" the marriage certificate.

Political Reality gives Statehood, the SFG only processes proor of its existence.

[theyuusuf143]

No body gives a shit even if a million dhulbahante die for Their land , xawaadle just defeated alshabaab. Why they are not getting what they want. Dhulbahante is not in control of anything thing .Harti is ,spearheaded by puntland. So in reality puntland is in control of eastern Sool. They provide the manpower, weapons , salaries and other government services. Do you think 60kii kunee hablihiinu soo dhiibeen in meesha lagu kala wado or some dhulbahante qaadhaan. The so called SSC khaatumo are nothing but an MJ puppet administration they don't even collect any form of tax .

Dhulbahante is not getting federal statehood, in fact half of them prefer to be part of puntland. Khaatumo biggest goal at the moment is to extract some milk from the Mogadishu cow . SSC is just buulhunguri. You know what's buul hunguri right ? It's erecting some fake living Space in an IDP camp just to get some handouts from the haayadaha. by hook or crook waxan Ka wada they need to gather a large number of supporters for their cause. Waan dagaalamay waxba Laguma. Maanu ictiraaf Ku helno afwayne baa na dilay iyo faqash baanu iska celinay. Dhulkayagii intaanu qabsanay oo Ku Bini aadam na Ku darsanay baanan ilaa hada midh ictiraafa hayn.

Do you know why ictiriifka nalooku diiday. One thing. KUWA KALAA IDINKU DAYAN DOONA. Same applies to dhulbahante. Kuwa kalaa idinku dayanaya uu leeyahay culusaw. Deni na wuu la ogyahay.

[Gubbet]

No body gives a shit even if a million dhulbahante die for Their land , xawaadle just defeated alshabaab. Why they are not getting what they want. Dhulbahante is not in control of anything thing .Harti is ,spearheaded by puntland. So in reality puntland is in control of eastern Sool. They provide the manpower, weapons , salaries and other government services. Do you think 60kii kunee hablihiinu soo dhiibeen in meesha lagu kala wado or some dhulbahante qaadhaan. The so called SSC khaatumo are nothing but an MJ puppet administration they don't even collect any form of tax .

Dhulbahante is not getting federal statehood, in fact half of them prefer to be part of puntland. Khaatumo biggest goal at the moment is to extract some milk from the Mogadishu cow . SSC is just buulhunguri. You know what's buul hunguri right ? It's erecting some fake living Space in an IDP camp just to get some handouts from the haayadaha. by hook or crook waxan Ka wada they need to gather a large number of supporters for their cause. Waan dagaalamay waxba Laguma. Maanu ictiraaf Ku helno afwayne baa na dilay iyo faqash baanu iska celinay. Dhulkayagii intaanu qabsanay oo Ku Bini aadam na Ku darsanay baanan ilaa hada midh ictiraafa hayn.

Do you know why ictiriifka nalooku diiday. One thing. KUWA KALAA IDINKU DAYAN DOONA. Same applies to dhulbahante. Kuwa kalaa idinku dayanaya uu leeyahay culusaw. Deni na wuu la ogyahay.

Hawadle cannot unilaterally build an administration for "Beled-Weyne" town which has multiple autonomous sections. The Cayr and presumably Biyamaal you pointed out---cannot unilaterally build an administration for 1 full district; Dhusamareb or Jilib (or Jamame or even Marka). I mean non of this is an insult but political reality.

1. Dhulbahante defeated the Somaliland that had the power to unilaterally declare Independence from Somaliab and powerfully wrenched 1/3 of former British Somaliland back to Somalia.

2. That land spans 3 regions of Sool, Sanaag, and Buuhoodle District of Togdheer and is commensurately directly proportional in size, expanse, and even implication to Galmudug but even unlike Galmudug is completely under the control of 1 sub-clan.

3. They declared that authority from Laas caanood, one of the biggest, most urban settlements in Somalia comparable to Beled-Weyne or Gaalkacyo, etc.

Let me reframe this so you understand the actually importance in this subject.

It is not a question of why they should be "allowed" but a question of why you can only "protest" [as opposed to stopping it] that explains what you misunderstand about this issue. They are getting SSC state because they have "Power;" and you cannot stop it because you do not have the "Power."

Politically legitimacy objectively speaking directly rests on the exercise of "political power" (why a state must have control of coercive powers like monopoly for violence for things like enforcement).

Adeer Gacaliye, SSC is an FMS ee hadaad caqli leedahiin oodwadaagiinu wax la qaybsada ee Isaaqa Galbeed iyo Samaroonka isku daaya.

Inaguba oodwadaageenu baan maamul la qaybsanay inta naga degta gobolada dhexe gunuunuceena xukun jecel mooyaane wax eed aan haynana majirtee waliba oo waliba ixtiraamka naga dhaxeeya inaga iyo nimankaas maamulkaas dhexdiisa habeen xalay tagay oo madoow ah bay ka tahay in laga dhex helo maamullada kale ee aan Daarood la wadaagno ee tallo waataas ama sida hal bacaad lagu lisay cuuuc meelaha ku heey.

[original dervish]

Gubbet......what you fail to realise is these iidoors have yet to grasp the reality on the ground.

They still believe they were not defeated at Goojacaade.
It was a hasty withdrawal ordered from Hargeisa, they say. A clearer case of cognitive dissonance would be hard to find.

The iidoors can only watch in disbelief as the Dhulbahnte leadership is welcomed into Mogadishu like conquering Kings.

Just a few short weeks ago they were indiscriminately shelling Lascaanood back to the stone age.
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[theyuusuf143]

It's funny gubbet thinks his little qurjiile allies control more land and resources than ceyr , xawaadle or biimaal. Historically each section of hawiye clans maintained self rule over their land

1. Sacad , they established galmudug, own half of gaalkacyo large coast and border with Ethiopia.
2. Saleebaan , probably the most civilized folks of habagidir. They too had an effective administration called ximan iyo xeeb , cadaado is Their capital one of the fastest growing cities in Somalia

Xawaadle is even more resourceful than the above two , add wacaysle who are also very powerful stand alone clan. Don't forget the jowhar folks , they reached to the point cabdilah Yusuf asked them to protect his government. My point is there are no less 20 unique clans who can submit Their application for statehood. Some of them destroyed empires ( forget about iidoor) some of them defeated the USA , Ethiopia , alshabaab and killed tens of thousands of peaple. Their CV alone intimadates your little qurjiile allies.

All of them must have the choice to choose Their destiny, by the way I can invade lascaanod any time I want, if it's necessary. Just because somaliland is defeated in one battle doesn't mean they gone for good. Whether we take peace or war depends on our circumstances. And our set of goals .

[original dervish]

We both know the iidoor are never ever coming back to Lascaanood......stop the faan and bs sxb. It doesn't make you look tough.....just pathetic.

We defeated you fair and square at the historic battle of Goojacaade. No Somali clan has suffered such a calamitous defeat in the history of Somalis.

Our claim to special status is born from the fact we are part of the old North, that united with the south.
No other Somali region can claim this.

Furthermore, the remaining western part of the old North refuses to accept Somali sovereignty. Therefore we can no longer be viewed as a single political entity.

If we so chose, we could legitimately pursue secession, as our region was not originally part of Somalia.
SSC is the glue which holds Somalia together.

Just as I believed the iidoor would be defeated at the historic battle of Goojacaade. I'm also certain Khaatumo will eventually be granted full Federal Member State status. Inshallah

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[theyuusuf143]

I think I have highlighted all the challenges facing khaatumo.

I defeated iidoor is not an achievement. So do we. We completely destroyed your faqash government. And we achieved nothing diplomatically. Who the fk do you think you are . You better call all your knowledgeble peaple and develop a sustainable and self sufficient local government. If you are very serious. No one is opening a Pandora's box for you.

We don't want you to bring hawiye into our conflict . Hadaad Cid hoos tegaysaan hartigaaga raac. Horta can you explain why are you against your Harti peaple. Ma caara caaraad Tahay miyaanad xitaa dhiig lahayn horgal yahaw. Intaasoo boqol oo wiilal majeerteen iyo warsangeli ahba laguu sadqeeyey markaasad weli cuqdad u qabta tolka.

This daarood clan is cursed walaahi mareexaan kuna hadh iyo habeen ogaaden bay xiniinyahaya Ka laalaadan . Adeer cudur kiina hala doonina nimankaas Aanu walaalaha nahee hawiye. Way idinku dayan doonaan hadii kale. Qof walaalkii Ka cararaya oo leh soomali baan midaynaya waa wax lagu qoslo.