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Gurey25, Caydid did alot of bad things- but he is going to be remembered for leading a popular uprising in southern somalia, for ending a dictatorship and for keeping warlords at bay, and for throwing americans out of somalia. There were no Abdullahi Yusuf (he was hiding in Bosaso), Yalaxow, huraale, and the other warlords in somalia when Caydid was alive.

Are you somalidiid? Somaliland-er miyaad tahay? I have no beef with somaliland but I help me understand why you hate us southerners? What did WE do to you? What would you gain from independence? Why are your leaders using the terrorism argument to gain recognition?

Are you in a position to debate this issue?

Give me a reason why Somaliland should leave somalia:

1) Economic
2) political
3) social
4) cultural
5) Ethinicity

My arguments:

a) economy- somaliland cannot be able to stand on its own. It needs trade, investment, public funds to rebuild and history has shown that it had a surplus of economic help when siad barre ruled.

2) Political- africa has already been divided (its fate was made in 1890)- any recognition of somalia would open a pandoras box- and every tribe would opt for independence. Not conceivable

3) Somalis are related to each other. A division of somalia would be difficult- families would be torn apart

4) Cultural- somaliland is known for the advancement of somali culture- and its intellectia is for a union.


5) Somalilanders are ethnic somalis- they share religion with their cousins in the south.

Comparing general Caydeed with those others, particularly C.Yusuf
would be inappropriate.

You are mistaken to believe that we hate our southern brothers,
and we are sesceding for our own reason, mostly because Somalia
is dangerous for our health and well bieng. its not personal.





[quote]a) economy- somaliland cannot be able to stand on its own. It needs trade, investment, public funds to rebuild and history has shown that it had a surplus of economic help when siad barre ruled.
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That is not logical and untrue, its an emotional remark.
Somaliland has only small amount of trade with the rest of somalia,
We are closer economicaly to ethiopa.

Haile Sellase used exactly the same argument when he claimed Eritrea and Somalia, he claimed that somalia used to belong to ethiopia and that it cannot survive economicaly by itself.
Thank god the UN and Colonialists did not listen to it, but they did in Eritreas case.

[quote]2) Political- africa has already been divided (its fate was made in 1890)- any recognition of somalia would open a pandoras box- and every tribe would opt for independence. Not conceivable
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You are aware of the legal arguments for the separation of Somaliland,
according to thier own so called International law, we have a good case.



The main reason for Secesion is that basically we do not trust you,
We joined our brothers in 1960 without conditions blindly and we were
swindled and robbed with our eyes open.

We are aslo more politicaly advanced than you.
While we have a multiparty democracy, albiet still inefficient and corrupt
you have not yet moved towrds self administration.

Isaaq clans who are the majority of SL have a different political culture from the rest as we have never allowed the rule of one clan by the other.
We believe in powersharing and balance while others believe in securing all powerfor thier clan alone.

To be short i can say that while i know that anything is possible,
it will be an extremely unlikely incident if a brutal dictatorship will form in somaliland in the future.
I will comfortably bet my lifesavings that even if a real state is created in Somalia and it becomes a democracy, somewhere down the line another Siad Barre will come. It is almost gaurenteed.

So why should we risk everything again, if we know that after 20-30 of peace or maybe even less we will, go through another war of independance another SNM.

We wish to leave so that you can go on with your own political development, We do not want to Rule allof somalia.

Gurey25, thank you for your response.

If you love your "southern brothers" why are you opting for independence? Why don't you help them reconcile- and make a better somalia?

There is ample evidence that most of the somali budget went north during the Siyad bare era.

What do you mean ISAAQ culture? Somaliland is not only inhabited by Isaaqs. There is no isaaq culture. It is common sense that people stand united if persecuted (and that is what happened to the people of the north) but once independent history teaches us that every Habar would be at at war with another habar. The political stability would be shortlived.

In my opinion somalis have gone through alot (every tribe/region) has suffered- and independence is not the right thing.

Do you beleive that people in somalia were rejoicing in 1988 when somaliland was bombed?

wlc are once again ready to hunt against the faqash

the real mohammed farah aideed should understand why we never wanted to join somalia he was one of the few hawiyes who understood that isaaqs did had no choises thant recapture somaliland back in somalia they where badly discrimanted how ever after afweyne was kicked out mohammed farah aideed and ali mahdi could bring peace and we could join somalia but warlords like them are the once we can never rejoin somalia afweyne aideed afbijo ali mahdi fuck them all they are all the same how ever afweyne and mohammed farah aideed stood also for somalia to fight against the enemy but afbijo is the nigga who will sell somalia to ethopia

i hope ure thankfull to ure snm leader without them u was still serving afweyne no hard feelings

Everybody is entitled to their delusions. If i can be the Mahdi one day and Tyson Beckford the next day, who am i stop you from thinking you are a dead war monger.

Welcome bro.

dear mr caydiid


since your death, the hawiyee nation have sunk to a new level never seen before and its fair t say

hawiyee are cuple oof dead moryaan short f ruwanda!

Whatever.....

general Caydid

May Allah (swt) bestow You peace and everlasting bliss ,,The world lost great man that day but your legacy will never die, even those who hate and disagreed You today are mourning regrets ,,They wish they could think differently , Somalia missed You So much , You left behind People and Country without leader ,.the last good One was Ibrahim Egal and I hope he is with You in HEAVEN .

Caydid Countess of Beledweyne welcomes you!