QURAN-WORD OF GOD

[optimist_1]

Hey what i can i say? Telling you to find an error was already a mistake.

Cockroach

[dhuusa_deer]

Optimist,

I'm still waiting for how you (n your friend lioness) decided 'falling sky' was metaphor and not meant literal.


Until then, 3-0 to me.

[LionHeart-112]

Dhuusa was asked to find errors in teh Qu'ran. He found ladders to the sky.

How pathetic...optimist, why do u even talk to this thing seriously? Just insult him, play with his mind and laugh at his stupidity.

[Google [Bot2]]

Lion, optimist this guy dhuusa is a joke and a waste of your time and mine, however i cannot resist the temptation to administer a karbaash

Dhuusa why are you always causing a stink in here? The "sky falling" is colloquial Arabic speech. If you read the Quran instead of reading rebuttals of the Quran you will notice that on a number of occasions the infidel Quresh challenged the prophet (SAW), calling him a liar and so forth. They often said to him “…so cause a piece of the heaven to fall on us” or “cause it to fall upon us in pieces” all this is understood to mean bring down upon us a punishment from heaven. In another verse the Quresh requested “O Allah! If this is indeed the truth from You, then rain down stones on us from the sky” I think you’re the first person who foolishly understands this phrase to mean something other than punishment from the sky. You ask for a criterion to distinguish between metaphors and literal ayah’s. Well the first criterion is that one must not be a fool; your interpretations and criterion is not acceptable to us Dhuusa. You go to anti islam pages and regurgitate their filth and hate, all along pretending to be an original critic If you have doubt about a certain Ayah or phrases in the Quran you need to first look to other Ayahs to understand The Ayah in question; followed by what the Prophet, companions and successive generations of Muslim scholars said about The Ayah in question. This is our methodology Dhuusa. FYI as Muslims we have several classical commentaries of the Quran and we are happy with what our scholars have left us.

[LionHeart-112]

JB

Good to see you brother. Seed aheed?

I know man. I haven't taken DD seriously since the 2nd week of his joining Snet. But like you said, it's hard to resist karbaashing the doqon!

[Nabeela]

why are you guys even talking to this pure gaalo …just ignore him!!

[muslim-man]

poor dhuuso-dheer,

masaan baa ku dambeysay

[muslim-man]

poor dhuuso-dheer,

masaan baa kuu dambeysay

[optimist_1]

[quote="LionHeart-112"]:lol:


Dhuusa was asked to find errors in teh Qu'ran. He found ladders to the sky.[/quote]


Lion.The guy is funny nothing like him.

Dhuusa did Dinosaurs have feathers?

[Cawar]

It puzzles me as much as it makes me laugh to see Dhuuso's great passion and love for "Chance" and hate for "Logic" and intelligence behind the creation .

The Quran is Allah's words and the Ahadith create an appropiate millieu for the understanding and digestion of the Quran. Maybe your brain lacks some essential ingredients such as enzymes or amino acids that will lead one to be an open minded person instead od worshipping some refuted theories of darwin & co.

[LionHeart-112]

"It puzzles me as much as it makes me laugh to see Dhuuso's great passion and love for "Chance" and hate for "Logic" and intelligence behind the creation . "


WHAT'S EVEN MORE PUZZLING--DD's love for fallacies and logic.

He uses some book-ish fallacies he heard in Intro to Philosophy in every argument.

[Google [Bot2]]

Lion I have been doing fine, thanx bro. I cant blame you, the guys is always begging for a karbaash. I remember his last flimsy attempt was about a ladder to the sky or some nonsense like that. Move over Einstein Dhuusa is in the house Hey dhuusa what’s up with sky scrappers bro? how can they scrape the sky !! when the sky nothing but Air!!!

[dhuusa_deer]

[quote="JB"] I remember his last flimsy attempt was about a ladder to the sky or some nonsense like that. Move over Einstein Dhuusa is in the house Hey dhuusa what’s up with sky scrappers bro? how can they scrape the sky !! when the sky nothing but Air!!! [/quote]

What about the Sky scrappers? That and regarding falling sky pieces, you should contact the Sky Dome administrators. I'm sure they'll tell you all about falling pieces from the Sky Dome's cieling and how they manage to repair any damages.

Afterall that is EXACTLY how early muslims viewed the world. A flat earth enclosed by giant PHYSICAL dome (the quran refers to it as 'canopy). On top of it are 7 heavens, the first occupied by Adam, the last by Moses. Each heaven having a guarded door for enterance. On top of everything is Allah's throne and a body of water (how is that possible, never mind this the Quran -- Allah's word).

You see, in a court of law or in ANY fair debate, I would win hands down. Because my arguement is not only sound by backed by evidence.

You guys reject my claim that the quran meant 'falling sky pieces' as literal truth. Your arguement is that the Quran meant it metaphorically. But your rejection is subjective and lacks any objective criteria. What is the criteria you used that convinced you it was a metaphor and not meant literal truth? By lioness's own words: the fair criteria is found in the hadiths. Well, I like to see that. I don't know of any objective criteria, either in the quran or hadiths, that allows the separation of metaphorical verses from intended literal truths.

Moreover, Allah himself said the quran IS the truth, written in a clear language so as to be understood by ALL. The idea that inserted in it are verses intended as metaphors, hence requiring interpretation and obviously not TRUTH and not clear to ALL is ludicrous and charges Allah of self contradicting.

In conclusion, what I've said stands. I said the falling sky pieces and ladder to the sky was intended as literal truth. My claim is motivated by the contradiction with reality (hence 'errors in the quran') by these quranic verses. You guys countered: no it was intended as metaphor. But failed to give ANY reason and/or objective criteria to back up that claim. I on the other hand used the nonexistance of ANY objective criteria plus lack any differentiation between literal truth and metaphors in the quran as support. Reducing the entire debate being governed by subjectivity. You guys subjectively decided that these verses were meant as metaphors. ANd it seems you're denying me that right as well. Since I too can subjectively decide to see these verses as literal truth

Anyway you look at it, I win and you guys lost. In fact, I only have to show that the verses in question COULD'VE meant literal truth and not necessarily literal truth and I'd still win my arguement.

[simplicity-]

^^ and the beat continues

[quote="Precious10"]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8552135092079886288&q=quran+science[/quote]

anyways jazakallahu khairan precious

[The Law26]

Precious

Thanks walaal.

dhuuso

Islam furnishes Muslims not only with faith, but also with the certainty of knowledge that satisfies our intellect and compels anyone has a shred of Islamic knowledge to admit the need of Islam. Islam teaches that there can be no conflict between the word of Allah SWT and His work, and thus resolves your supposed conflict between science and Islam. Here are some wonders for you to ponder.

065.012 All[a]hu alla[th]ee khalaqa sabAAa sam[a]w[a]tin wamina al-ar[d]i mithlahunna yatanazzalu al-amru baynahunna litaAAlamoo anna All[a]ha AAal[a] kulli shay-in qadeerun waanna All[a]ha qad a[hat]a bikulli shay-in AAilm[a](n)

065.012 Allah is He Who created seven Firmaments and of the earth a similar number. Through the midst of them (all) descends His Command: that ye may know that Allah has power over all things, and that Allah comprehends, all things in (His) Knowledge.

Al-Qur'an, 065.012 (At-Talaq [Divorce])


Earth's 7 layers:

1. crust
2. lithosphere
3. asthenosphere
4. upper mantle
5. lower mantle
6. liquid outer core
7. solid inner core

Source from Nasa: Did Nasa learn from the Quraan?

http://scign.jpl.nasa.gov/learn/plate1.htm

J.B

Salaama

“….we have several classical commentaries of the Quran and we are happy with what our scholars have left us.”

Good to see you again, and in regards to our differences to your unwavering belief in the accuracy of the scholarly works, here is what Arabman wrote, and he is explicitly confirming what I have been saying that they were fallible humans, do you agree with him? If your response is positive, then why are you nitpicking? Which scholars do you agree with? Why? Maybe, this is not a good place to raise this issue.

Arabman wrote:

“There are many things which the Quran has said but was not understood by the early Muslim commentators”

http://www.somalinet.com/forum/viewtopi ... ht=#632232