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- Sir-Luggoyo
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Basra
The day I would "make-up" with Kamal and MM would be the day the sun rises from the West. Let's wait for that to happen.
You know we had Starbucks in Somalia
BLURUSH
It's human nature to be interested in other cultures, it's always intriguing to find out something new, and some cultures are just sheer bliss to know and learn, some are so exotic and some are just plain bizzare. I take interest in many different cultures, especially the forgotten tribes and those beyond the horizons
The day I would "make-up" with Kamal and MM would be the day the sun rises from the West. Let's wait for that to happen.
You know we had Starbucks in Somalia
BLURUSH
It's human nature to be interested in other cultures, it's always intriguing to find out something new, and some cultures are just sheer bliss to know and learn, some are so exotic and some are just plain bizzare. I take interest in many different cultures, especially the forgotten tribes and those beyond the horizons
Re: For Non-Somali forumers
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Where most other cultures welcome the attention of an outsider who shows a willingness to learn, Somali's will view you with a great deal of suspicion if you show an interest. They wanna know why, and won't open up till they're convinced your intentions are pure. THAT is one "shortcoming" that is exclusively Somali. :lol:[/quote]
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i think idians and pakistanis fit that description best.
Where most other cultures welcome the attention of an outsider who shows a willingness to learn, Somali's will view you with a great deal of suspicion if you show an interest. They wanna know why, and won't open up till they're convinced your intentions are pure. THAT is one "shortcoming" that is exclusively Somali. :lol:[/quote]
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i think idians and pakistanis fit that description best.
- LionHeart-112
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- Grant
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I enjoy my time here on Snet so much because I am finally beginning to understand some of the things that were beyond my language abilities and comprehension when I was there. But there are still vast areas of Somali language, history and culture of which I am entirely ignorant.
The changes in Somalis of which I am aware have to do mostly with religion and attitude.
In the Sixties, the Italians were a continuing presence in Juubba Hoose. There was still a Catholic mission in Jilib, and I was aware of both Protestant and Bahai groups in the area.
The educated young burearcrats I knew were not very religious. One delighted in telling me repeatedly that the Galla were camel nomads who were not Muslim. My friends did not have qaad and did not use shiisha, but they did have khamra for parties.
I never saw a hijab in Somalia, and I never heard a muezzin in Jilib. There were, however, rumours of a Darood religioius presence in Kismayo, and I did hear a muezzin when I stayed over there. There was a rumour that someone there had pressured Gosha wood carvers in Jilib to stop making "ayarays", moving toys with sexy human figures, for sale to the Italians. This may have been the beginning of the Islamic resurgence in this area.
So the religiousity and strength of the polarity of religious feeling here is strange......
Qabiil is also a strange area. My friends avoided mentioning it to the extent that I do not know the tribes or subclans of some of my closest friends.
The Somalis that I knew were a lot less religious, and a lot more optimistic and welcoming.
Given what has happened, I can understand that.
The changes in Somalis of which I am aware have to do mostly with religion and attitude.
In the Sixties, the Italians were a continuing presence in Juubba Hoose. There was still a Catholic mission in Jilib, and I was aware of both Protestant and Bahai groups in the area.
The educated young burearcrats I knew were not very religious. One delighted in telling me repeatedly that the Galla were camel nomads who were not Muslim. My friends did not have qaad and did not use shiisha, but they did have khamra for parties.
I never saw a hijab in Somalia, and I never heard a muezzin in Jilib. There were, however, rumours of a Darood religioius presence in Kismayo, and I did hear a muezzin when I stayed over there. There was a rumour that someone there had pressured Gosha wood carvers in Jilib to stop making "ayarays", moving toys with sexy human figures, for sale to the Italians. This may have been the beginning of the Islamic resurgence in this area.
So the religiousity and strength of the polarity of religious feeling here is strange......
Qabiil is also a strange area. My friends avoided mentioning it to the extent that I do not know the tribes or subclans of some of my closest friends.
The Somalis that I knew were a lot less religious, and a lot more optimistic and welcoming.
Given what has happened, I can understand that.
- LionHeart-112
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^^Thanks for your input, Grant. The somali you are talking about is entirely different from the somalia i grew up in.
"I never saw a hijab in Somalia, and I never heard a muezzin in Jilib"
Oh My God! This is the effect of colonization. Somalia was one of the first place Islam reached after the death of the Prophet (scw) and some people actually believe Islam has reached somalia BEFORE his death.
That time was certainly the 2nd Jahiliya!
"I never saw a hijab in Somalia, and I never heard a muezzin in Jilib"
Oh My God! This is the effect of colonization. Somalia was one of the first place Islam reached after the death of the Prophet (scw) and some people actually believe Islam has reached somalia BEFORE his death.
That time was certainly the 2nd Jahiliya!
- Sir-Luggoyo
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Grant
What era are you talking about? Cause my knowledge of Somalia, especially Lower Jubba (btw, I am from Kismayo) tells me that, nothing of what you described here sounds true. The mosques in Gelib are really old and ppl were believers, and as far as I know, there never was a law prohibiting a Muezzin to make the call to prayer, so, enlighten me, what silenced the Muezzin?
Khamri, as you put it, could never be equated to where Qaat stands in the social status, Khamri was always kind of taboo and anyone whom ppl suspect of consuming always stood out in a negative way, I am really astonished by your glorification of alcohol in Somalia, when in fact it was a little short of taboo.
What era are you talking about? Cause my knowledge of Somalia, especially Lower Jubba (btw, I am from Kismayo) tells me that, nothing of what you described here sounds true. The mosques in Gelib are really old and ppl were believers, and as far as I know, there never was a law prohibiting a Muezzin to make the call to prayer, so, enlighten me, what silenced the Muezzin?
Khamri, as you put it, could never be equated to where Qaat stands in the social status, Khamri was always kind of taboo and anyone whom ppl suspect of consuming always stood out in a negative way, I am really astonished by your glorification of alcohol in Somalia, when in fact it was a little short of taboo.
- LionHeart-112
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^^how come he is not responding?
Grant...I asked my parents and a lot of other somalis about how somalia during that time. In fact, my mom's dad was one of the people who led the nationalist movement against the british in the south and she says nothing about any of the stuff you are saying about Somalia. Sure there was more alcohol then because of the british and other occupying powers but this somalia you are describing doesn't seem to exist in the memories of older somalis...My mom and her family are from Jilib btw....
Grant...I asked my parents and a lot of other somalis about how somalia during that time. In fact, my mom's dad was one of the people who led the nationalist movement against the british in the south and she says nothing about any of the stuff you are saying about Somalia. Sure there was more alcohol then because of the british and other occupying powers but this somalia you are describing doesn't seem to exist in the memories of older somalis...My mom and her family are from Jilib btw....
- Grant
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Sir Luggoyo,
I was not intending to glorify alcohol. I neglected to mention that the custom was for the imbiber to go into the kitchen alone to drink so that there was no witness.
The mosque in Jilib was small and there was only one. There was no tower. I may not have heard a muezzin call since I was at the other end of town and I seriously doubt that a muezzin would have been forbidden to call; I was simply unaware that there was one.
There was an Egyptian school in Jilib that I believe taught a heavy religous content. There was also at least one duqsi.
But I do not recall that there was a lot of religion going on. Certainly not among the people that I knew.
This was the Sixties, and I do remember folks telling me that Kismayo and the Darood were far more Islamic, or at least more strict, than the locals in Jilib. It may just have been my end of town.
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I was not intending to glorify alcohol. I neglected to mention that the custom was for the imbiber to go into the kitchen alone to drink so that there was no witness.
The mosque in Jilib was small and there was only one. There was no tower. I may not have heard a muezzin call since I was at the other end of town and I seriously doubt that a muezzin would have been forbidden to call; I was simply unaware that there was one.
There was an Egyptian school in Jilib that I believe taught a heavy religous content. There was also at least one duqsi.
But I do not recall that there was a lot of religion going on. Certainly not among the people that I knew.
This was the Sixties, and I do remember folks telling me that Kismayo and the Darood were far more Islamic, or at least more strict, than the locals in Jilib. It may just have been my end of town.
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- LionHeart-112
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Grant....You sounded as if Somalia was a non-muslim country. You forgot to add any muslim attributes in your describtion. You didn't mention Dugsis or masjids and glofiried alcohol use as if it were a common thing for every1 to do. For all we know, you could have been describing Bulgaria, not a country with a long and rich Islamic history. Jilib may have had one small mosque because it;s a tiny town. But i find it HARD to belive you haven't heard a single Athan (azan) during the time you spent in Somalia..
and do you mind elaborating on what you meant by:
"heavy religous content"
and do you mind elaborating on what you meant by:
"heavy religous content"
- Grant
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Lion,
Even after reading here almost a year, I still do not have a clue what an athan is. The only thing I heard was what I believe was called dikri, when they were carrying out the body when someone died.
I never so much as got into the Egyptian school. It was my understanding that they taught an advanced academic program that was Islamically based. I wasn't welcome.
Please read my second post, above. I was aware of the duqsi my students attended. There may have been others.
Somalia may have been traditionally and predominately a Muslim country, but it was definitely not exclusively Muslim and definitely not radical when I was there. That was 1966 and 1967.
When was your mother born? Would she remember Sid Ali Abdulahi or Ibrahim Mohammed Shek?
Even after reading here almost a year, I still do not have a clue what an athan is. The only thing I heard was what I believe was called dikri, when they were carrying out the body when someone died.
I never so much as got into the Egyptian school. It was my understanding that they taught an advanced academic program that was Islamically based. I wasn't welcome.
Please read my second post, above. I was aware of the duqsi my students attended. There may have been others.
Somalia may have been traditionally and predominately a Muslim country, but it was definitely not exclusively Muslim and definitely not radical when I was there. That was 1966 and 1967.
When was your mother born? Would she remember Sid Ali Abdulahi or Ibrahim Mohammed Shek?
I fully agree with 1nemansquad!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
There is nothing wrong with learning different cultures etc.. but I dislike people who take that shit to the extremes. I know alot about Middle Eastern culture but I would never mingle with ME's the same way some of these gaalos try to mingle with Somalis. Most of them do it because of one thing and one thing only.. I think you know what that is
Isnt there a Somali version of the KKK's I could join or some shit?
There is nothing wrong with learning different cultures etc.. but I dislike people who take that shit to the extremes. I know alot about Middle Eastern culture but I would never mingle with ME's the same way some of these gaalos try to mingle with Somalis. Most of them do it because of one thing and one thing only.. I think you know what that is

Isnt there a Somali version of the KKK's I could join or some shit?

- Grant
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Lion,
I still have a business to run. I was out delivering cases. And it was Italians in Jilib, not the English.
Xplosive,
How is joining some Somali version of the KKK going to accomplish more than just telling me to my face that you do not like me telling my version of what I experienced?
I am not rewriting history here. While there were no churches that I am aware of in either Kismayo or Jilib, there was certainly a cathedral in Mogadishu and a leprosarium in Jilib.
And please tell me just what reason you think it is westerners have for associating with Somalis. Do you really think we are all masochists with ulterior motives?
I was sent to Somalia by my government to do a job requested by the Somali Government. I encountered a culture that was new and strange to me and which I did not understand. I met people that I liked and I stayed in contact with them after I left. I have always thought that I wanted to go back during my retirement, to visit and to do some of the agricultural things I was capable of but did not have the opportunity to do while I was there.
If you have not yet met a non-Somali that you can trust, I feel sorry for you.
I still have a business to run. I was out delivering cases. And it was Italians in Jilib, not the English.
Xplosive,
How is joining some Somali version of the KKK going to accomplish more than just telling me to my face that you do not like me telling my version of what I experienced?
I am not rewriting history here. While there were no churches that I am aware of in either Kismayo or Jilib, there was certainly a cathedral in Mogadishu and a leprosarium in Jilib.
And please tell me just what reason you think it is westerners have for associating with Somalis. Do you really think we are all masochists with ulterior motives?
I was sent to Somalia by my government to do a job requested by the Somali Government. I encountered a culture that was new and strange to me and which I did not understand. I met people that I liked and I stayed in contact with them after I left. I have always thought that I wanted to go back during my retirement, to visit and to do some of the agricultural things I was capable of but did not have the opportunity to do while I was there.
If you have not yet met a non-Somali that you can trust, I feel sorry for you.
Grant
I can confirm everything you said about Somalia except the Muezzins: there would have Muezzins everywhere but most moques were so poor they did not have louspeakers so that is perhaps why you couldnt hear.
But Qaat was almost unknown to most somalis till the late 80s while alcohol was available in every major town. By the late 70s Somalia not only distilled alcohol it exported thousands of litres of fairly decent quality rum. And Somali islam was a joy to behold: completely human and moderate and peaceful and unintrusive. the only hijabs you will ever seen were in parts of Mog/Merca/ Brava etc among ethnic minority groups.
Tribalism was dying in the urban areas but was still strong among the nomads.
So teh Somalia you are talking about did exist and was the real Somalia: easy-going, tolerant friendly.
The evil attitude and intolerance and pettiness started in the 80s. And then the saudis decided to ram their culture their twisyted evil culture down our hungry throats.
I can confirm everything you said about Somalia except the Muezzins: there would have Muezzins everywhere but most moques were so poor they did not have louspeakers so that is perhaps why you couldnt hear.
But Qaat was almost unknown to most somalis till the late 80s while alcohol was available in every major town. By the late 70s Somalia not only distilled alcohol it exported thousands of litres of fairly decent quality rum. And Somali islam was a joy to behold: completely human and moderate and peaceful and unintrusive. the only hijabs you will ever seen were in parts of Mog/Merca/ Brava etc among ethnic minority groups.
Tribalism was dying in the urban areas but was still strong among the nomads.
So teh Somalia you are talking about did exist and was the real Somalia: easy-going, tolerant friendly.
The evil attitude and intolerance and pettiness started in the 80s. And then the saudis decided to ram their culture their twisyted evil culture down our hungry throats.
- LionHeart-112
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Grant,
Athan (written also as Azzan) is the call to prayer..The call the Muezzins make. As Galol here explained, thats' perhaps the reason why you haven't heard it.
My mom was born in the mid-50's and dad in the late 40's. Though my dad is from the north, he has lived most of his life in teh south as a teacher and professor.
Athan (written also as Azzan) is the call to prayer..The call the Muezzins make. As Galol here explained, thats' perhaps the reason why you haven't heard it.
My mom was born in the mid-50's and dad in the late 40's. Though my dad is from the north, he has lived most of his life in teh south as a teacher and professor.
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