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Cawar · Post by **Cawar** » Sat Jun 10, 2006 6:11 am

Galol, No I didnt invent the idiom I just translated it from another language so it could be mine..

Going back to your question...Yes God should be every where in a Muslim country/society.

However, everything has limits....and I am talking about the Wadaado who are supposed to be the guadians of God's laws on earth.

This kind of ruling isnt among God's if you ask me:

http://www.midnimo.com/jun1/10_06_maxka ... cagtaa.htm

same · Post by **same** » Sat Jun 10, 2006 6:15 am

Which goes to the cotre of my qwuestion: do you believe God should be in government or should he be confined to people's hearts and heads?

Sheekh Galol,
I canÃ¢Â€Â™t choose one of these two options.
People should know the best way to manage their affairs.

Galol · Post by **Galol** » Sat Jun 10, 2006 6:27 am

Cawar

What language? Arabic? can you transliterate it? I am not quite clear about your assertion that Islam should be everywhere. Please elaborate.

Same

That is a cop out if you dont mind me saying.

The rebel · Post by **The rebel** » Sat Jun 10, 2006 7:40 am

Galol

I don't know what's good for your country and its people but in general as a Muslim I think as they tought us in Western Democracy that 'majority rule' So if the majority of your people want Islam that is up to them.

On other hand If you ask me my opinion, I would ask you back 'Which Islam you talking about?' We have many versions of it. Saudi Arabia is different than Iran and Egypt's Islam is different than let me say in Qatar.

Let the Ma'tawa's make their mind and agree on one version of Islam first before we jump on the conclusion.

gobdoon · Post by **gobdoon** » Sat Jun 10, 2006 9:50 am

Rubish,rubish there are no different versions of Isalam,there is only one Islam,it's not like the christian religion which has different versions of the bible,on the ather hand we Muslims have only one QURAN and the Sunnah of the prophet,Secondly Somalia people are all Sunni.

gobdoon · Post by **gobdoon** » Sat Jun 10, 2006 9:53 am

Rubish,rubish there are no different versions of Isalam,there is only one Islam,it's not like the christian religion which has different versions of the bible,on the ather hand we Muslims have only one QURAN and the Sunnah of the prophet,Secondly Somalia people are all Sunni.

The rebel · Post by **The rebel** » Sat Jun 10, 2006 10:01 am

^^ None sense!! You have one Quran but you have millions and million interps. So you are worse than Christians in my opinion.

As long you follow Shafai', Hanbali, Maliki, Hanafi, Ja'afari, Zaidi... You aren't following Quran you are following one of the versions of those Scholers of yours and their own interps of Quran and Sunnah. As simple as that.

PragmaticGal · Post by **PragmaticGal** » Sat Jun 10, 2006 12:03 pm

Most Muslims always claim to favor Islamic law but then they will give an example of an Islamic ruling they found to be unacceptable. What they don't get is that once you let the cat out of the bag, it's out. Let the beardos determine what women can or can't wear, and they will also beat the men who don't show up for Friday prayer. Let them ban alcohol and they very well might ban jaad (unless their gangs are too heavily addicted, in which case they'll just seize the qaad and distribute it amongst themselves). It's good they ban pornography, but a little annoying when they ban soccer. If you think the media ought to be regulated, then say goodbye to that satellite dish unless you can afford to bribe them regularly. There's no recourse to a higher authority if you ran afoul of them, since they consider themselves to be representing Allah.

Even if they apply Shariah laws properly, someone will always be aggrieved that they chose to chop off the hands of a thief from one clan while sparing another thief from another clan.

Everyone's yearning for a utopia in which Shariah law conforms to their ideas and beliefs. But there'll be a rude awakening soon when Somalis find themselves dealing with ignorant sadistic gangs with too much time on their hands.

Freakishly_Free · Post by **Freakishly_Free** » Sat Jun 10, 2006 12:23 pm

PragmaticGal..Good points. I believe that people's differences on how to apply the Islamic religion stems from the fact that the power is not distributed equally, and not from Islamic law. While most muslims agree that Islam should be applied to their daily lives, it's HOW the sharicah is implemented and who's implementing it that creates those differences. For example, in Saudi Arabia, the punishments prescribed by Islam only apply to minorities and people from the lower economic classes.

Galol..Great post, as always. Razz

I don't think religion has a place in public policy except for homogenized societies/nations. In places like the U.S where there are various groups of people with myriad of beliefs and idealogies, religion must be separate from state affairs. At the end of the day, it all comes down to democracy. Hold fair elections and let the people choose how they want to be governed? Sound fair?

same · Post by **same** » Sat Jun 10, 2006 1:04 pm

There is no a homogeneous nation when it comes to religious believes.
Almost all Somalis are Muslims. So they can choose the rule of Sharia if the majority wants that.
I have no objection with that if the non-Muslim minority rights are respected and exempted from its application.
The religious groups within Islam (who are not in power) are also respected.
A system of fair election and sequence of power is granted.
Make it possible for everyone who wants to convert to another religion to do so without persecution.
Muslims who do not want the sharia laws which are against international slanders of human rights to be applied against them should be respected for their will.

(All in all, will that make the application of Sharia impossible? I have doubt.)

Freakishly_Free · Post by **Freakishly_Free** » Sat Jun 10, 2006 1:25 pm

First you say:

"There is no homogeneous nation when it comes to religious believes."

And you follow it up with:

"Almost all Somalis are Muslims"

That's possibly the most blatant contradiction i have ever seen. Laughing

same · Post by **same** » Sat Jun 10, 2006 1:41 pm

I see no contradiction in that.

1. Almost does not mean all.
2. Muslims differ in their Islam.

Freakishly_Free · Post by **Freakishly_Free** » Sat Jun 10, 2006 1:46 pm

Yes muslims differ in their understanding but Somalis don't. Almost all of somalis practice and have the same understanding of Islam. They are all sunni Muslims of the Shaafici madhab.

same · Post by **same** » Sat Jun 10, 2006 2:38 pm

That does not make them homogeneous.
There is a small minority of non-Muslims.
There are also different doctrines.
Handbali doctrine grew with the spreading of Wahabism.
There are also different Islamic groups with different projects of Sharia.
Even you and your brother may differ in some faith issues.

Sharia is not one, and cannot agreed upon by all.

Freakishly_Free · Post by **Freakishly_Free** » Sat Jun 10, 2006 2:42 pm

Of course not. You can never get 100% agreement on anything. There will always be disagreements. But i'm sure over 90% of Somalis would agree on an Islamic government...I don't agree with it but hey majority of somalis are muslim.

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