Before somalis converted to islam

[avowedly-agnostic]

[quote mahamed99 ] avowedly-agnostic...how can i argue when i have lil knowledge about the quran. [/quote]

Are you incapable of reading English? The Quran is laid out for you to read in Arabic, English, somali, and whatever other tongue that takes your fancy. Simply saying I don't have any knowledge is copping out from facing the reality of your beliefs.

Seems to be like you're too frightened of hell to engage the subject. Hell has got you so terrified and afraid you won't even question whether what you've been brought up to believe makes logical sense for fear of the threat of boiling water poured over your head. Mind you, that's what the Quran is intended to do: to replace your reasoning faculty with fear and dread. Seems like its worked.

[mahamed99_sex]

yeah,give me a month and when i read then i will come back and argue abou t this.and ofcourse iam afriad to go to hell.but this has nothing to do with hell.we all question our beliefs ,that is why we shold rea d the quran and form our own judegment.all i said to you is i dont know about it that much and its my fault for not reading the quran like how i should .

[avowedly-agnostic]

Okay princess, sorry if I caused offense, was just pointing out the absurdity and cruelness of hell.

[mahamed99_sex]

its ok avowedly-agnostic,we all hate hell.i kinda know where you are coming from.

[Modern-poli]

Pre-Islamic traditional religions are clearly visible in Somali folk spirituality (in the use, for example, of the pagan Cushitic world Waaq for God in archaic somali or the prevalence of popular belief in and practice of spirit possession, especially that of Saar, a typical spirit/deity in the Cushitic cosmology).

[highclass]

[quote="avowedly-agnostic"]Homer's raised a valid point Mahamed sweety, if as you believe only Muslims can enter heaven, and all the rest of humankind will burn in hell, then what of the many people past and present (including your ancestors) that were never introduced to Islam?

Is the Almighty going to roast their flesh too until it burns away to then replace it with new flesh so they may "taste the punishment" ?[/quote]

You see this is why people like you and Ayan hirsi exists, You been around muslims and yet you don't know the Diin?

Who said a person that wasnt introduced to Islam will go to hell?

[avowedly-agnostic]

highclass

Islam is unequivical that non-believers in their entirety will go to hell. Amongst the textual evidence to support this is the numerous quranic verses- a couple of which I've highlighted (see my previous posts) and the ahadith which support them.

If you say otherwise, then substantiate it or stop glosssing over the aburd teachings of the Quran. I stress, I'm not interested in your own point of view, either support it with textual proof, or say nothing.

[highclass]

avowedly-agnostic


Your hate for the true religion (Islam) has made you make assumptions and give your own point of view instead of speaking the truth. Why bother when you are totally clueless about the Quran. Not only are you totally clueless about the Quran but also clueless about things related to somalis. For example when u said that "homer simspo" had a valid point by saying Omar Mahamud will go to hell because he wasn't a muslim?ThatÂ’s just plain stupidity Â…Do you two even know who Omar Mahamud was? Did you say he had a valid point because you wanted to offened the muslims for that clan? Well I guess it did not work out that way....


Unlike you I never made a point, I questioned you, But you fail to answer and you ask me to provided evidence, Evidence of what? I asked you for evidence but you failed to give any as you know that the truth contradicts with what you say.

Is this how you Islamophobic people argue? Unbelieveable. Very lame


This is what allah says in the QuranÂ…

“And We never punish until We have sent a Messenger (to give warning)” [al-Israa’ 17:15]

I repeat my Question which you failed to answer....

"Who said a person that wasnt introduced to Islam will go to hell?"

Allahu Akbar

[Homer Simpso]

I will answer that for you Highclass.. Omah Mohamud, that is your ancestor, itsnot only Omar Mohamud but all those who lived his time, wasnot a Muslim, he wasnt Christian either. he had no believe whatsoever. so as the quran says and I quote: "the gates of heaven will not open for them (the nonbelievers) and they will not enter Paradise until the camel passes through the eye of the needle." (Quran 7:40)- he will never ever enter the gates of Heaven..

there are today people who have never heard of Islam, its the 21st centutry and its true some people never ever heard of Islam- like people who live far far end of Russia- I forget their name and some skimos who live in far end of Canada. the religion never reached this people! so how do you explain their to-be state in hereafter!.. they will go to hell, aint that correct- and the same goes to your ancestors.....

dont worry highclass, you wont remember your ancestors when you stand before Allah, they wont mean nothing to you.. you will be on your own!!.. so just chill and face the reality sister... highclass kulahaa and she wants to go to heaven!!... get rid of that name first

[sadeboi]

The bantu boy really needs help, do you know omar muxamoud is a sub-clan of majeertaan which is one of the clans of Darood (who intoruded islam to Somali, and was born way after the Nabi (scw) you imbocile...he is a descended of the nabis cousin). Know what you are talking about before write.

[Homer Simpso]

is he 'descedent of NABi?... than why is he so pitchblack dark coal no good stupid idiot?

[Kamal35]

Mahamed: Very interesting indeed.

Lately I've been told about the Cuban deities, 'santería', and I've found it really amazing aswell. Because christianism was imposed in Cuba, the Afrocuban population changed the names of their African gods and called them with the names of the christian saints -that's the reason of the name 'santería', from 'santo'=saint, in Spanish-. Every saint=African god has power on the nature, trees, sex, sea, etc. Very interesting culture.

[gurey25]

Same as in Haiti,
have you heard of the Vodoo God,
Baron Samedi

What a name

[Kamal35]

SANTERIA


Santeria, "the way of the saints" is a combination of two religions, Nigerian Yoruba folk religion and Roman Catholicism (Gardner 1999). Santeriaâs origin can be traced back to Nigeria, where the Yoruba people originated and practiced an indigenous folk religion. The Yoruba people of Nigeria had a complex social and political cultural order. They were farmers that incorporated specialized labor practices. In the colonial period, these people were taken against their will from their homeland and brought to the Caribbean as slaves around four hundred years ago (Pichardo 1998). Slavery was practiced in Cuba, Haiti, Puerto Rico, Trinidad, and the Gulf of Mexico Islands (Gardner 1999).

The Yoruba peopleâs society was formed as a series of kingdoms. The most important kingdom was known as Benin. Benin had an advanced culture, very similar to the Greeks, which is displayed in different museums of the world through bronze and ivory works (Jaurequi 1999). The Yoruba people worshipped approximately round six hundred deities know as Orishas. There were priests and priestesses that were considered an extension of the gods and goddesses. Today, these priests are referred to as Santeros or Santeras (Pichardo 1998). The three main orders of priests are the babalawos who divine the future, the minister of the orishas who provide cures, and the priests of Orisha Oko, who is the god of agriculture (Jaurequi 1999).

When the slaves reached their destinations in the Caribbean, they were baptized into the Roman Catholic Church. The Yoruba people were stripped of their lives and their religion. Not wanting to give up their traditional religious beliefs and convert to Catholicism, they hid their beliefs by incorporating them into the Catholic religion (Gardner 1999). They kept their traditional beliefs alive by equating an Orisha with a Catholic Saint. For example, Babalz Ayi became St. Lazarus, patron of the sick (Robinson 1995). They passed on their religion through oral tradition and kept it camouflaged under the semblance of Catholicism. In new locations across the Caribbean, the Yoruba people and their religious practices became influenced by new surroundings and the foreign languages they heard. This brought the Catholic and Yoruba folklore religion together to form a synchronic religion today labeled Santeria. Catholic influence can be found in the corresponding identification of Orishas as saints, baptism, marriage, and the concept of heaven and hell (Pichardo 1998). Santeria is not a satanic religion, contrary to popular belief.

Santerian Beliefs

It is very hard to uncover the belief system of Santeria worshippers. There is not a whole lot of information on the subject to be found. Most Santerian beliefs are not to be discussed with people outside of the faith. Another factor is that there are religious leaders with varying beliefs and practices. The few beliefs to be discussed below are known to be general beliefs of the Santerians.

The Santerianâs supreme god is called Olorun, which means the "owner of heaven." He is considered the creator of everything and the creator of the Orishas, known as the lesser deities in comparison to Olorun. The Orishas have a corresponding Christian Saint, principle, important number, color, food, dance posture, and emblem. To keep the Orishas an integral part in the heavens, Santerians offer them human praise, prepared dishes, and animal sacrifices. Santerians believe that through rhythmic sounds (i.e. drumming) and dancing in rituals, will provoke possession of the individual by the Orisha that is being brought forth. This individual starts to speak and even acts as if they are the Orisha. Ancestors names are recited to facilitate in moral guidance and example. Animal sacrifice is practiced by Santerians, and can cause much disagreement between Santerians and animal rights activists. Santerians ritually sacrifice chickens and other small animals to aid in sickness or misfortune. The blood is offered to the Orisha to please them, to bring good luck, and for forgiveness of sins (Robinson 1995).

To justify the use of animal sacrifice, Santerians won many court cases. They also kill the animals in a decent manner and then later eat them. They have been using this ritual for over one thousand years, and maintain that their Orisha requires this food (Robinson 1995). Animal sacrifice is a part of their religion that receives much negative attention from popular culture.

Rituals

Santerians are also uncomfortable informing the general public how they carry out their religious practices. However, there are some general practices that can be addressed. One practice is secrecy. Santerians try to hide the information on beliefs, ritual, symbolism, and practice to the uninitiated. Their tradition is not kept in written accounts, instead it is preserved and passed on through oral tradition. Rituals begin with drumming consisting of African rhthyms and dancing. The rhythm changes with the Orisha that is being called forth. Santeros and Santeras are the priests and priestesses. They undergo a prolonged training of the oral tradition of Santeria. After initial training, they must undertake a time of solitude before they can be initiated. During this time, they learn dances, songs, and healing methods. They buy their supplies, (charms, herbs, potions, and musical instruments), from botanicas. Botanicas are specialized in selling Santerian supplies (Robinson 1995).

Initiation into Santeria is engulfed in secrecy. The secrecy tries to prevent negative media. To become initiated into the Santerian faith, one must answer only to Olorun and the Orishas for their actions. To be considered for initiation, a person must have a deep knowledge of the rites and myths of Santeria. A person that is a potential candidate for initiation must have sponsorship from an initiated Santerian whom is a priest or priestess. Once a person has received sponsorship, they must still get acceptance from the Orishas who decide how high in the religious structure a person is allowed to advance (Gardner 1999).

more info:

http://www.history.pdx.edu/hdwp/religion/santeria2.html

[highclass]

Homer Simpso


How can you say that Omar Mohamud wasn't a muslims when Abdul-Rahman Darood Ismail was a muslim? hence the name,,, darood came to Somalia around 800-1100 years ago, Way after the the time of the nabi pbuh.

Are you trying to say that Daroods grand grand grand......children converted to something?

Stop making up things...

Btw Omar Mahamud is not my ancestor....


About those who Islam hasn't reached, Allah says in the Quran

“And We never punish until We have sent a Messenger (to give warning)” [al-Israa’ 17:15]

Why did you ask that Question again when I have already answer? Open your Eyes bro/sis