Mogadishu: the Temple of our civilization and freedom

[AbdiWahab252]

XPlosiv, Nah Asho Cabdallah has cuter eyes

[Gedo_Boy]

MAD MAC,

So does every American who is against what they perceive to be negative aspects of American life despise American values if they try to reform them?

I lived my whole life among Americans, so if you think I despise them as a people then you are wrong..........One of my neighbors is a 70+ retired air force pilot, do you think I want to hurt him? I offer to go to his house & help with his computer........we sit and talk in each other's yards and 'shoot the breeze' w/ no problem......and I'm not being fake or disingenous about it. How do I despise him?

There are certain things I despise about CERTAIN American segments of society, but there are ALSO things that I would ask Muslims to emulate.

I go to work everyday with Americans, went to school with them, am friends with many, so how do I despise Americans?


I would be the 1st to admit that America has a lot to offer the world and many (purportedly) Muslim countries have a lot to learn from it. Even the Prophet (saw) said that a person with the best among a people in characteristics before Islam will be the best in Islam:

Allah's Apostle said, "You see that the people are of different natures. Those who were the best in the pre-lslamic period, are also the best in Islam if they comprehend religious knowledge. You see that the best amongst the people in this respect (i.e. ambition of ruling) are those who hate it most.

[Steeler [Crawler2]]

Eyes
Somalia gets about 30% of its food aide from America - or have you forgotten? Also, Somalia would be about 300,000 Somalis lighter if it were not for America. Of course, Most of those were only lowly Rahanweyne, so no big deal to you I'm sure.

Gedo

"So does every American who is against what they perceive to be negative aspects of American life despise American values if they try to reform them?"

That depends. Depends on what we are talking about.

"I lived my whole life among Americans, so if you think I despise them as a people then you are wrong..........One of my neighbors is a 70+ retired air force pilot, do you think I want to hurt him? I offer to go to his house & help with his computer........we sit and talk in each other's yards and 'shoot the breeze' w/ no problem......and I'm not being fake or disingenous about it. How do I despise him?"

Maybe you don't. But it is clear you despise the society, as it is not Islamic.

"There are certain things I despise about CERTAIN American segments of society, but there are ALSO things that I would ask Muslims to emulate. "

This would be fair enough. I am more concerned with those Muslims who ignore the second half of your sentance, focus on the first, and want to blow your neighbor up.

"I go to work everyday with Americans, went to school with them, am friends with many, so how do I despise Americans?"

Again drift away from you, and focus on the bigger picture here.

I would be the 1st to admit that America has a lot to offer the world and many (purportedly) Muslim countries have a lot to learn from it. Even the Prophet (saw) said that a person with the best among a people in characteristics before Islam will be the best in Islam:

Allah's Apostle said, "You see that the people are of different natures. Those who were the best in the pre-lslamic period, are also the best in Islam if they comprehend religious knowledge. You see that the best amongst the people in this respect (i.e. ambition of ruling) are those who hate it most.

[eyes-only]

Mad Mac, once there is peace, Somalia will not need food dumped on it to collapse its national production capacity. Somalia is capable of producing enough food to feed itself and once there is peace it will also be able to re-establish and develop its industries. The only thing Somalia and Somalis need from America is for America to stop its interference and to stop arming and aiding warlords and to stop locking up and torturing innocent Somali clerics.

[Homer Simpso]

Mogadishu isnot yours EYES.. residents will sooner or later screw your little dark asss so hard that it hurt even as you stand before God in the hereafter

[eyes-only]

Homer I was born and bred in Muqdisho. I have more claim to Xamar cadde than you. No Xamari person would have anything against me and once they know who I am they would no doubt have nothing but respect for me. Stop hating on me mate. You donÂ’t know me hun.

[CrazySommies]

Read how some people wish the Muqdisho port to be closed for forever:
Maraakiib usoo socday Dekkada Muqdisho oo u weecday dhinaca Ceel Macaan iyo Ceel Cadde
http://www.horseednet.com/horseednet.php?id=3961

They are already deluding themselves for things to go back to the way it was.

very sad indeed. These butlaandhers are labo wajiile people. Afkoodey ka dhahaan somali & muslim baanu nahay, but I think they are gaalo xabashis.

[eyes-only]

Crazy, it doesnÂ’t matter what people wish. Business has its own mind. There is no point in off loading in ceel-macaan and then transporting goods all the way back to Muqdisho when there is a muqdisho port and the businesses are in muqdisho. The capital is changing and so is the rest of the country. However was benefiting from the destruction of Xamar cadde is going to have to come up with a plan to stay in business with the re-emergence of the Xamar cadde. It will once again be the best city ever. The port and the airport need a lot of re-development but once the ball starts rolling there is no stopping it.

[Xplosive]

[quote]Maybe you don't. But it is clear you despise the society, as it is not Islamic. [/quote]

Cant you read or something? Where did he say or even indicate that he despises American society?

"There are certain things I despise about CERTAIN American segments of society, but there are ALSO things that I would ask Muslims to emulate. "

[Homer Simpso]

who said Homer hates you?.. Homer never hates anyone unless you are Dahir Aweys or Indhoole called Indhocade or Abdiqasim gayboy!!!... I wont hate, you are alrite.. we are just talking- dont involve this into hatred please.....

its true no one wants you in Hamar Cade.. now its Hamar Cade to you and a while ago it was the place where HYENA's dwell!!!.. f!uck off.. its either you love Hamar or you hate it.. time's got nothing to do with it... when the innocent people were murdered and killed, you called Hamar the place of death and destruction and you didnt want to do anything... now when the guy you support is freely moving around in the capital, you start loving it and calling it the place to be!!!... b!tch HAMAR is where I was born and bred. not only I was born all my ancestors were born and burried and now you tell me its your place more than its mine?!!.. well good luck with getting that into your dimwit brain

[Steeler [Crawler2]]

Eyes
You make it sound like we invented the warlords or something. We worked with the people who were there that could get things done. We did not create their power base. They were in power when we needed some assistance. And it was a sort time relationship.

You are grossly exagerating our activity there.

So when are the Islamic Courts going to say "thanks America, but not thanks, we don't want any food or medical assistance from you?" Shit, it's not like it's ever appreciated anyway.

[eyes-only]

Homer, glad to hear about your ancestry. I too have ancestry stretching way back in Xamar and Xamar belongs to its residents it doesnÂ’t belong to a single individual. You are the one who started this sh!t by saying:

[quote="Homer Simpso"]Mogadishu isnot yours EYES.. residents will sooner or later screw your little dark asss so hard that it hurt even as you stand before God in the hereafter[/quote]

Furthermore, I never said it was a place where hyenas dwell obviously you thought so yourself. You also donÂ’t know what I did or didnÂ’t do. You donÂ’t know who I am or what I do. So I suggest you leave it at that. You can hate on Dahir Aweys, Indhacade or Abdiqasim. Actually, why stop there, you can hate on every ceyr person and every habargidir or hawiye person dead or alive. That is of no concern to me. I was pointing out that what you are doing is out of order but IÂ’m sure you already know that.

Mad Mac, America only knows one strategy and it is one that never works. You create divisions you arm one faction against another, you pay people to kill people. You guys didnÂ’t create warlords but you create wars.

The donation of food is something totally different. My thinking is totally different on that issue and is purely academic. Somalia was a forgotten country and most of the assistance to the Somali people does not come from America but from Somalis themselves. The UN has always been useless in Somalia and they hardly do anything to help the people in need but I guess Somalis have no one to complain to. The courts as a political entity wanted the support of the international community. Instead of supporting them, instead of reaching the people in need that were not reachable before the liberation of Mogadishu, they decided to call the liberators terrorists and compare them to some Taliban regime. AmericaÂ’s political activities in the horn of Africa is extremely secretive and against international law. What the courts and any leaders do is up to them. My thinking is that you canÂ’t trust people that were funding warlords.

[Steeler [Crawler2]]

"Mad Mac, America only knows one strategy and it is one that never works. You create divisions you arm one faction against another, you pay people to kill people. You guys didnÂ’t create warlords but you create wars."

We did not create the war in Somalia. You guys did not need any help with that at all. And our strategy never works? Tell me sweety, why we are the richest and most powerful country in the history of mankind if our strategy never works?

"The donation of food is something totally different. My thinking is totally different on that issue and is purely academic. Somalia was a forgotten country and most of the assistance to the Somali people does not come from America but from Somalis themselves. The UN has always been useless in Somalia and they hardly do anything to help the people in need but I guess Somalis have no one to complain to. The courts as a political entity wanted the support of the international community. Instead of supporting them, instead of reaching the people in need that were not reachable before the liberation of Mogadishu, they decided to call the liberators terrorists and compare them to some Taliban regime. AmericaÂ’s political activities in the horn of Africa is extremely secretive and against international law. What the courts and any leaders do is up to them. My thinking is that you canÂ’t trust people that were funding warlords."

There is no American activity in Somalia that is against international law. Nor are our activities in East Africa extremely secretive.

The fact is that the extremists who targetted our embassies in Dar and in Nairobi were hiding out in xamer. We want them, one way, or another. And we will get them too. It's just a matter of time.

Remember this simple saying "America good, Islam bad."

[eyes-only]

Ya right Mad Mac. You are after a couple of terrorists who blew up your embassies. Who are you kidding there?

The CIA have been going in and out of that country and taking anyone they want and transporting them in different torture camps. They have been funding warlords to kidnap people. The weapons and money they gave to warlords was used to terrorise locals. That in my opinion is illegal. You canÂ’t be acting like you own Somali air, waters and you canÂ’t certainly be kidnapping and torturing Somalis.

[Steeler [Crawler2]]

"The CIA have been going in and out of that country and taking anyone they want and transporting them in different torture camps. They have been funding warlords to kidnap people. The weapons and money they gave to warlords was used to terrorise locals. That in my opinion is illegal. You canÂ’t be acting like you own Somali air, waters and you canÂ’t certainly be kidnapping and torturing Somalis."

I think I am probaly a little bit more in the know on this one than you. And whether something is illegal "in your opinion" doesn't mean it is illegal. The problem in Somalia is NOBODY owns it's air, waters or land. In a normal country, we can go to the government and say "This guy is an extremist, here's the evidence" and they can do something about it. But who do you go to in Somalia? Are we suppose to wait until they strike again?